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[Endorlf]

Hi everyone.

Although my account has only been around for a few days, I have observed these boards since April. In general, I'm seeing a lot of hate for EDI. She might be one of the most hated characters in the series. It puzzles me because I actually really like her, and a lot of times people say they hate her without clearly explaining why. I'm seeing a lot of the same arguments, such as sexbot and creepy relationship and so forth. I'm also hearing people complaining that she took a spot that a ME2 squadmate could have taken. Even so, I'm still puzzled by why there is so much hatred for this character.

[Adugan]

You answered your own question, was there a point to this thread?

[Baa Baa]

I didn't like her at all the first playthrough. But my second I thought she was actually a decent character. Then I blew her up.

[Endorlf]

@Adugan, I'm just wondering if there are deeper reasons why EDI is so hated. The sexualization argument just seems very shallow, although still justified to an extent.

[Omanisat]

I don't despise EDI, I despise what she was turned into, namely SexBot Pinocchio. I liked her when she was the AT&T logo who screwed with Joker's chair, not his... ew, never mind.

One of the reasons I liked Legion so much is because he was one of the rare synthetics who wasn't trying to be human. He tried to understand organics, but didn't want to be one, as though there is something inherently special about being an organic.

Modifié par Omanisat, 20 juillet 2012 - 05:25 .

[Whimper]

I like EDI.

Reasons I have heard to dislike her:

* Some think the Pinocchio and Pygmalion trope is overdone. She borrows too much from Data, and other pop-culture examples.

* Some think her relationship with Joker comes about too quickly.

* Some think her body is too sexy.

* Some prefer when there was still a sense of danger to EDI.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I'd guess because she's the Synthesis narrator. People seem to bash everything even remotely related to Synthesis these days.

[DEATHSCOPE]

She's an AI. Never trust AIs.

[Bill Casey]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

I'd guess because she's the Synthesis narrator. People seem to bash everything even remotely related to Synthesis these days.

That's not EDI, though...

[Endurium]

Inferiority complex? EDI is superhuman. Some people are uncomfortable with that.

There also exists the camp that refuses to allot any kind of intelligence to machines. I've seen them literally become Cerberus Promoters (Pro-Human) while experiencing EDI and Legion in ME2. Hilarious.

Those are a couple guesses.

[What a Succulent Ass]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

I'd guess because she's the Synthesis narrator. People seem to bash everything even remotely related to Synthesis these days.

This is the last reason I would ever entertain. People disliked what EDI was turned into months before the game's release, which is eons ago in terms of the EC.

[Soltana]

Buttdevastated Joker fangirls? Iunno...I love her, I think she's adorable. Still not sorry she had to go in my ending, though.

But I can see how she might give Uncanny Valley heebie jeebies to some folks, especially when the sexualization factor comes into it.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Bill Casey wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

I'd guess because she's the Synthesis narrator. People seem to bash everything even remotely related to Synthesis these days.

That's not EDI, though...

Is it just Tricia Helfer then? I'm down with that.

[Bill Casey]

Soltana wrote...

Bahahahaha

[Zaalbar]

To be honest, I've always liked EDI. I liked her in ME2 and I especially liked that she is a squad mate in ME3, overall I'm a EDI supporter.

[Adugan]

Endurium wrote...

Inferiority complex? EDI is superhuman. Some people are uncomfortable with that.

There also exists the camp that refuses to allot any kind of intelligence to machines. I've seen them literally become Cerberus Promoters (Pro-Human) while experiencing EDI and Legion in ME2. Hilarious.

Those are a couple guesses.

So is Legion, but everyone loves him

[TakedaMauro]

Same as a lot of people talking here.

I do like her, a lot, but the sexbot part was completely unnecessary and more than a little childish.

It would have been far more interesting to show her humanization while still being part of the ship.

[Endurium]

Adugan wrote...

Endurium wrote...

Inferiority complex? EDI is superhuman. Some people are uncomfortable with that.

There also exists the camp that refuses to allot any kind of intelligence to machines. I've seen them literally become Cerberus Promoters (Pro-Human) while experiencing EDI and Legion in ME2. Hilarious.

Those are a couple guesses.

So is Legion, but everyone loves him

Not one guy I know, who prefers to compare Legion to, say, a laptop, in an attempt to de-humanize the machine. Some people are truly frightened by the concept of AI.

[Endorlf]

Yes, I have observed some sort of double standard when comparing Legion and EDI. Legion has a lot of accidental humor, and that's what I like about him.

From what I can see, another large complaint is about how she took up a space for an ME2 squadmate. I can see why people who are attached to ME2 squadmates are angry, but why take the anger out on new squadmates? Did similar complaints show up when ME1 squadmates didn't show up for ME2? If people are always in this mindset, how can a series ever introduce new squadmates without pissing people off?

Modifié par Endorlf, 20 juillet 2012 - 06:36 .

[Soltana]

Bill Casey wrote...

Soltana wrote...

Bahahahaha

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[sUiCiDeKiNgS13]

I really liked EDI. She was fleshed out very well in the whole "coming to grips with new reality" mini-storyline. I never really look for reason to dislike a character. Overall none of the Mass Effect characters I extremely disliked.

EDI was the main reason I chose Control.

[Bill Casey]

Vega and EDI didn't take spots from ME2 characters...
It's fairly apparent Bioware wanted a biotic, a soldier and an engineer who were guaranteed to be alive...

If anything, blame "anyone can die" aspect of the suicide mission in ME2. That's what made things problematic...

[grey_wind]

Because by turning her into a sexbot, they completely ruined her character. You knew EDI was sapient, trustworthy, and "human" not because she looked like one but because she acted like one. She never had to look human to feel human, to feel alive.

Her presence also feels like it's a bone thrown to anybody who liked the ME2 cast. Rather than actually putting in the effort to bring back an ME2-exclusive character, they half-ass EDI into a squadmate.

And this is something that applies to the Geth as well as EDI. Rather than justifying that synthetic life was its own unique but equally legitimate form of like like ME2 did, ME3 constantly implied that synthetics' ultimate goal was to become more like organics, what with all that bullsh!t like the Geth wanting to be "true" intelligences and EDI wanting to act more like an organic.

[Endorlf]

True. However, I also saw the argument that Bioware should not have a default "fall back" squad because that will reward players who do poorly on Suicide Mission.

I have yet to see well-established criticisms at her personality other than her being cliched. Is EDI poorly executed?

Modifié par Endorlf, 20 juillet 2012 - 05:51 .

[rfielder24]

Personally, I like EDI she is one of my favorites.
I get the complaints about her relationship with Joker it did seem a little sudden to me as well.
I really don't get the complaints about her trope being overdone. I don't even think her character is the worst one in those regards.