Bill Casey wrote...
Vega and EDI didn't take spots from ME2 characters...
It's fairly apparent Bioware wanted a biotic, a soldier and an engineer who were guaranteed to be alive...
If anything, blame "anyone can die" aspect of the suicide mission in ME2. That's what made things problematic...
grey_wind wrote...
Because by turning her into a sexbot, they completely ruined her character. You knew EDI was sapient, trustworthy, and "human" not because she looked like one but because she acted like one. She never had to look human to feel human, to feel alive.
Her presence also feels like it's a bone thrown to anybody who liked the ME2 cast. Rather than actually putting in the effort to bring back an ME2-exclusive character, they half-ass EDI into a squadmate.
And this is something that applies to the Geth as well as EDI. Rather than justifying that synthetic life was its own unique but equally legitimate form of like like ME2 did, ME3 constantly implied that synthetics' ultimate goal was to become more like organics, what with all that bullsh!t like the Geth wanting to be "true" intelligences and EDI wanting to act more like an organic.
Bill Casey wrote...
Vega and EDI didn't take spots from ME2 characters...
It's fairly apparent Bioware wanted a biotic, a soldier and an engineer who were guaranteed to be alive...
If anything, blame "anyone can die" aspect of the suicide mission in ME2. That's what made things problematic...
Our_Last_Scene wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
Vega and EDI didn't take spots from ME2 characters...
It's fairly apparent Bioware wanted a biotic, a soldier and an engineer who were guaranteed to be alive...
If anything, blame "anyone can die" aspect of the suicide mission in ME2. That's what made things problematic...
This has been pointed out for months yet a lot of people still haven't realised that.
Anyway I haven't really seen much hate for EDI since the game came out.
grey_wind wrote...
And if you still don't agree with the above, then how about this: it would have been a great way to show consequences if because of bad decisions in the SM you lacked characters who could bring certain powers to the table. Consequences are sorely missing in ME3. And before you say that would punish new players, the game could have adjusted itself to give the new players the 3 core characters: tech, soldier and biotic.
Sort of? She used to be an AI without a humanoid platform. She's adressed as a female because she's a part of the Normandy (or the Normandy is a part of her).Endorlf wrote...
I have yet to see well-established criticisms at her personality other than her being cliched. Is EDI poorly executed?
Modifié par klarabella, 20 juillet 2012 - 06:11 .
grey_wind wrote...
The only real tech power EDI brings is Overload. Practically all her other 'tech' powers could be substituted with a biotic equivalent, and she's a rubbish tech squaddie in comparison to Tali. Kaidan already brings Overload to the table as a Sentinel, and the same power could have been given to Ashely (or an equivalent).
Javik could have easily been the pure Soldier, or the tecchie if the above argument doesn't work for you, while the VS could have filled the Soldier.
Bottom line is that they could get around the issue without creating two unnecessary characters and if they hadn't been stupid enough to force the VS to be missing for half the game.
And if you still don't agree with the above, then how about this: it would have been a great way to show consequences if because of bad decisions in the SM you lacked characters who could bring certain powers to the table. Consequences are sorely missing in ME3. And before you say that would punish new players, the game could have adjusted itself to give the new players the 3 core characters: tech, soldier and biotic.
Modifié par Dendio1, 20 juillet 2012 - 06:22 .
It did, and you say it's wrong to do it. For me, it's a good thing for both Kaidan and Ash that there's no "bullet to the brainpan" renegade moment on the elevator on Mars, or they'd both be dead. "I'm tired of explaining myself to you *BANG*". Ahh, now I don't have to listen to the "what do you mean you don't know what Cerberus is doing here" any more.grey_wind wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
Vega and EDI didn't take spots from ME2 characters...
It's fairly apparent Bioware wanted a biotic, a soldier and an engineer who were guaranteed to be alive...
If anything, blame "anyone can die" aspect of the suicide mission in ME2. That's what made things problematic...
The only real tech power EDI brings is Overload. Practically all her other 'tech' powers could be substituted with a biotic equivalent, and she's a rubbish tech squaddie in comparison to Tali. Kaidan already brings Overload to the table as a Sentinel, and the same power could have been given to Ashely (or an equivalent).
Javik could have easily been the pure Soldier, or the tecchie if the above argument doesn't work for you, while the VS could have filled the Soldier.
Bottom line is that they could get around the issue without creating two unnecessary characters and if they hadn't been stupid enough to force the VS to be missing for half the game.
And if you still don't agree with the above, then how about this: it would have been a great way to show consequences if because of bad decisions in the SM you lacked characters who could bring certain powers to the table. Consequences are sorely missing in ME3. And before you say that would punish new players, the game could have adjusted itself to give the new players the 3 core characters: tech, soldier and biotic.
Dendio1 wrote...
I honestly feel like people just want to complain about anything. So if I see any Liara, Jacob, Ashley, EDI, Morinth or Vega hate thread, I just chalk it up to haters gonna hate.
Our_Last_Scene wrote...
grey_wind wrote...
The only real tech power EDI brings is Overload. Practically all her other 'tech' powers could be substituted with a biotic equivalent, and she's a rubbish tech squaddie in comparison to Tali. Kaidan already brings Overload to the table as a Sentinel, and the same power could have been given to Ashely (or an equivalent).
Javik could have easily been the pure Soldier, or the tecchie if the above argument doesn't work for you, while the VS could have filled the Soldier.
Bottom line is that they could get around the issue without creating two unnecessary characters and if they hadn't been stupid enough to force the VS to be missing for half the game.
And if you still don't agree with the above, then how about this: it would have been a great way to show consequences if because of bad decisions in the SM you lacked characters who could bring certain powers to the table. Consequences are sorely missing in ME3. And before you say that would punish new players, the game could have adjusted itself to give the new players the 3 core characters: tech, soldier and biotic.
Tali can be dead.
Kaidan can be dead.
Ashley can be dead and also can't have Overload.
Javik is DLC and can be absent.
In other words none of those characters would be able to fill the tech and soldier roles as they all have a chance of being absent from ME3, whereas EDI is always guaranteed to be in ME3 regardless of your choices from the first two games.
TakedaMauro wrote...
That's the point, consequences. You let some squadmates die in ME2? now you have to survive without their help in ME3. It adds a whole new level of replayability not only for ME3, but for ME2 also.
TakedaMauro wrote...
Our_Last_Scene wrote...
grey_wind wrote...
The only real tech power EDI brings is Overload. Practically all her other 'tech' powers could be substituted with a biotic equivalent, and she's a rubbish tech squaddie in comparison to Tali. Kaidan already brings Overload to the table as a Sentinel, and the same power could have been given to Ashely (or an equivalent).
Javik could have easily been the pure Soldier, or the tecchie if the above argument doesn't work for you, while the VS could have filled the Soldier.
Bottom line is that they could get around the issue without creating two unnecessary characters and if they hadn't been stupid enough to force the VS to be missing for half the game.
And if you still don't agree with the above, then how about this: it would have been a great way to show consequences if because of bad decisions in the SM you lacked characters who could bring certain powers to the table. Consequences are sorely missing in ME3. And before you say that would punish new players, the game could have adjusted itself to give the new players the 3 core characters: tech, soldier and biotic.
Tali can be dead.
Kaidan can be dead.
Ashley can be dead and also can't have Overload.
Javik is DLC and can be absent.
In other words none of those characters would be able to fill the tech and soldier roles as they all have a chance of being absent from ME3, whereas EDI is always guaranteed to be in ME3 regardless of your choices from the first two games.
That's the point, consequences. You let some squadmates die in ME2? now you have to survive without their help in ME3. It adds a whole new level of replayability not only for ME3, but for ME2 also.
TakedaMauro wrote...
Our_Last_Scene wrote...
grey_wind wrote...
The only real tech power EDI brings is Overload. Practically all her other 'tech' powers could be substituted with a biotic equivalent, and she's a rubbish tech squaddie in comparison to Tali. Kaidan already brings Overload to the table as a Sentinel, and the same power could have been given to Ashely (or an equivalent).
Javik could have easily been the pure Soldier, or the tecchie if the above argument doesn't work for you, while the VS could have filled the Soldier.
Bottom line is that they could get around the issue without creating two unnecessary characters and if they hadn't been stupid enough to force the VS to be missing for half the game.
And if you still don't agree with the above, then how about this: it would have been a great way to show consequences if because of bad decisions in the SM you lacked characters who could bring certain powers to the table. Consequences are sorely missing in ME3. And before you say that would punish new players, the game could have adjusted itself to give the new players the 3 core characters: tech, soldier and biotic.
Tali can be dead.
Kaidan can be dead.
Ashley can be dead and also can't have Overload.
Javik is DLC and can be absent.
In other words none of those characters would be able to fill the tech and soldier roles as they all have a chance of being absent from ME3, whereas EDI is always guaranteed to be in ME3 regardless of your choices from the first two games.
That's the point, consequences. You let some squadmates die in ME2? now you have to survive without their help in ME3. It adds a whole new level of replayability not only for ME3, but for ME2 also.
Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 20 juillet 2012 - 06:48 .
zaalbar76 wrote...
To be honest, I've always liked EDI. I liked her in ME2 and I especially liked that she is a squad mate in ME3, overall I'm a EDI supporter.
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