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[MouseNo4]

When i first saw the thread title, the first thoughts that came to mind was Data from TNG. And i LOVED the character of Data. And therefore, i love EDI. She is an amazingly crafted character within the story.

I have probably listened to 95% of all her dialogue, and the evolution she goes through is just incredible. Honestly, she is the sole reason (maybe a little bit on the Geth side) why ive NEVER chosen the Red ending. I just couldnt bring myself to destroy her, along with the Geth and the Reapers. If Legion could be saved, it would be an even greater decision to make. I loved the character of Legion, just as much as EDI. But since there is no way to save it, and the choice to destroy the Geth along with EDI and the Reapers, comes after Legion destroys itself... its less of a difficult choice to make.

Ive never actually seen what happens if you hand over Legion to Cerberus and TIM, as i simply adore Legion's character too much.

I will admit, i have watched the Red ending on youtube, just so i can see it and know what happens and how.

Modifié par MouseNo4, 20 juillet 2012 - 07:01 .

[Kataphrut94]

I like EDI. Sure, the sex-bot body is a bit ridiculous, but that's justified since it was a body for a mech designed for infiltration. Besides, if you're upset about sexualisation in this series, maybe you should have left when they had a race of all female bisexual hot chicks running the galaxy.

I honestly think her relationship with Joker was cute in a weird way. People say it comes about suddenly, but the writing's been on the wall since ME2. Also, aside from being a decent squadmate, she had some of the best lines in the game.

As for why people hate her...probably because everyone wants to Destroy the Reapers and are resentful of her (and to a lesser extent, the geth) for ruining that. It's a pretty stupid reason to hate a character, but it's the sad truth.

[RadicalDisconnect]

I love that all-powerful EDI = sexbot argument...

For those of you who argue that EDI is nothing more than a fanservice, what does that make of Miranda, Ashley, and Liara? And the Asari race? And (at the risk of severe backlash) the art design of Thane and Jacob?

"But they're much more interesting characters than that sexbot!"

Is "interesting" really a fair criticism? Thanks for assuming that everyone shares the same preference as you. Just so you know, looking past the sex appeal of one character while judging EDI as nothing more than a sexbot/fanservice is hilariously hypocritical.

EDIT: For the record, I agree that her body is ridiculously sexualized, but she isn't unique in this regard.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 20 juillet 2012 - 05:00 .

[TakedaMauro]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

You would still need two squadmates, and seeing as though everyone can be dead by ME3 apart from Liara she would be one, so the other one would absolutely have to be someone new.

It just so happens that Bioware wanted each 3 of the gameplay elements available, biotic, tech and combat. Seeing as though EDI fills that tech role, and isn't a new character, chances are even with your scenario she would still be a teammate in ME3.

Kaidan has a bit of tech yes, but to get him on PS3 you'd have to make a new game in ME3 or play as a femshep. That's not fair to those PS3 players.

Are you a new player? there, you have your 3 squadmates, one for each type of combat, all survivors from ME2 and explained within the narrative why are there.

Are you a veteran player and managed to get all your tech specialist killed? tough break, now there's no overload available to you.

Consequences.

[MystEU]

I like EDI and how she grows more human characteristics with her understanding and demeanor. Entertaining at times and the EC speech is really awesome to me.

[BrowncoatN7]

This

grey_wind wrote...
And this is something that applies to the Geth as well as EDI. Rather than justifying that synthetic life was its own unique but equally legitimate form of like like ME2 did, ME3 constantly implied that synthetics' ultimate goal was to become more like organics, what with all that bullsh!t like the Geth wanting to be "true" intelligences and EDI wanting to act more like an organic.

and this

grey_wind wrote...
And if you still don't agree with the above, then how about this: it would have been a great way to show consequences if because of bad decisions in the SM you lacked characters who could bring certain powers to the table. Consequences are sorely missing in ME3. And before you say that would punish new players, the game could have adjusted itself to give the new players the 3 core characters: tech, soldier and biotic.

 

I've never been a fan of the whole "robot who for some reason wants to be human"-thing.

Modifié par lament.ballad, 20 juillet 2012 - 07:39 .

[RadicalDisconnect]

MystEU wrote...

I like EDI and how she grows more human characteristics with her understanding and demeanor. Entertaining at times and the EC speech is really awesome to me.

Her EC speech is emotional, which I liked, but also contradictory at times.

"We will regain the greatness that was lost and surpass it."
"We may transcend mortality itself."

WTF? She apparently just introduced us to a fantasy utopia that transcends all societal norms. It's straight out of a Disney animated film.

Anyways, that was sorta off topic.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 20 juillet 2012 - 07:41 .

[Hackulator]

I love EDI.

[Endorlf]

I understand the sentiment of disliking EDI due to fanbases of previous characters wanting old squadmates back. However, I personally don't think it's a compelling argument. It's one thing to prefer one squadmate over another, but it's another issue if you are using new characters and squadmates as scapegoat for your displeasure. The question is, do you dislike EDI because her character is less interesting than previous squadmates? Or does the dislike stem from nostalgia?

Modifié par Endorlf, 20 juillet 2012 - 07:50 .

[AlexPorto111]

Why is EDI so despised,you ask?Becuase this is the BSN,anything that its not written by (''the god,and best writer ever seen on the entire universe'') Drew Karpyshyn its automatically bad.

[Hendrik.III]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

I love that all-powerful EDI = sexbot argument...

For those of you who argue that EDI is nothing more than a fanservice, what does that make of Miranda, Ashley, and Liara? And the Asari race? And (at the risk of severe backlash) the art design of Thane and Jacob?

"But they're much more interesting characters than that sexbot!"

Is "interesting" really a fair criticism? Thanks for assuming that everyone shares the same preference as you. Just so you know, looking past the sex appeal of one character while judging EDI as nothing more than a sexbot/fanservice is hilariously hypocritical.

This is not really a valid point. It has nothing to do with hypocrisy, but the oversexualisation of characters which is very much overdone and very much unnecessary. If I wanted to see that amount of t*ts and ass, I wouldn't be playing a game.

EDI the AI could be a nice character, but there is no reason at all to give her such huge t*ts and a cameltoe. It's not that we can't look past it, but it's so in your face that its annoying. An infiltration unit should not stand out in any way, to give it a killer body makes little sense. Overkill is not appealing, even less so when it's generalised for all female characters on your team.

Liara and Ashley have had an increased cup size. EDI has been sexualised... it's not so much that we find it the character poorly written, but the fact that it's visualised like we're mindless, horny teenagers and can't respect a woman on personality alone. Seriously, I might have liked her better if she were a plain woman with awesome technical capabilities. There could of course be humor as motivation, but then they should not have generalised it.

[Cuddlezarro]

I quite like edi... I just hate her design... seriously a robot should not have a damn ******

[Nizzzy]

All we know about her going into ME3 was that she put in our ship by Cerberus. In spite of that we aparently have no problem leaving her in charge of everything. Then she gets a hyper-sexualized fetish suit because she says it will "help her interact with the crew" which aparently requires guns attached and her spending the whole time in the cockpit and we still aren't worried about her. Then we go on a mission to attack cerberus, the one's who we think made her, she insists on coming along, and we are again completely cool with this.

Trusting EDI to help kill cerberus is crazy. It would be like blindly trusting the mastermind of all reapers to help us defeat the reapers....oh wait

[RinuCZ]

Is she despised as a character? I've seen mainly a critique of her over-sexualized body. EDI is fine but I was disappointed to see that BW took a cheap way out. Pretty much what Grey_wind said.

ME2 let us get to know more about synthetics. They were fully-fledged race with their own structure and behavior patterns. ME3 decided to take 80s route and basically claimed that synthetics are just toasters unless they start simulating humans. I think we are past the moment - especially in Mass Effect - when we're unable to accept something what doesn't have all these feelings.

After physical changes of femShep and Ashley followed by newly added GoW James, yes, I looked with a slight disfavour at transformed EDI. I didn't spot the legendary cameltoe, though, too busy to look at her face I suppose. Romance with Joker was... well, simplified. I played along but I couldn't help like watching a teen romance movie. Maybe longer, slower exposition without EDI's body not so obviously focused on insecurities and "I want to be a human gal" would work better, dunno.

She became Steel Angel Senior. Wasted potential. 

[SpamBot2000]

Yeah, like a lot of people I feel her anatomical correctness was a little... overly prominent. Maybe the fault is in us and not in our stars, but it was kinda uncomfortable and distracting for me at least. Because it really does lead to speculation. And yeah, I kinda have second thoughts about blithely encouraging Joker to get together with her. Other than that, I didn't really have a problem with her.

[Benny8484]

I love EDI but...

- Making her a sexbot was completely unnecessary. 
- Taking a squadmate position that could have been ME2 squadmate was a bad decision
- Synthesis narrator - Ending I absolutely despise as it has nothing to do with ME universe

[fchopin]

I do not hate her, i actually like her but Bioware made mistakes with her. Her character does not show the correct AI influence imo.

[Rhayak]

It always bothers me a little when female characters are hypersexualized. Abyssal cleavages are just vulgar.

Anyway, even if i don't use her much as squadmate, i really like EDI, her curiosity and the evolution she goes through thanks to you.

That her story with Joker goes fast is not weird, imho. As an IA on her first exploration of the romantic, she has no reason to play games.

[Tietj]

I can't stand her, for the same reason (in a different way) that I can't stand the synthesis ending. She's so flawless (storywise) that it just ends up seeming unrealistic. Yeah, I get it, the writers like her, but I lost track of how many times she creates and then solves a problem in the same line of dialogue. The worst is the raid on the Cerberus base where she does it twice, back to back, and I'm forced to listen to myself shower her with praise both times. "Oh no, Shepard, they're going to open the doors and we'll all be sucked out there I fixed it." "If I hadn't brought you along we'd be dead, you certainly are a useful character and not superfluous at all!" followed within five minutes by "Shepard, this door is locked and we're all trapped forever I just jimmied the lock with my toenail." "Good thing we brought you along, if I may reiterate my point from ten seconds ago!" It's like Bioware wanted us to be amazed at what synthetic life could accomplish so for two games they threw problems only to have the same character fix it. I have never understood why people say that Liara was Bioware's favorite character when it was clearly EDI.

Add to that the oversexualization, the squicky romance that completely ruined Joker for me to the point where I don't even visit the cockpit in the third game or talk to him on the Citadel, and the Pinocchio complex that is way overdone and has been done better. EDI dying ignominiously in the destroy ending seems less like a sacrifice and more like a bonus incentive to pick that ending. I was a bit worried that the EC would try to make it seem super devastating to everyone that she had died, but she seems to have been largely ignored even by Joker (who I never encouraged to pursue a relationship anyway).

[ZLurps]

Like many others has already wrote, Legion in ME2 did AI thing better. I found Geth far more plausible (though they lost some of their appeal to me in ME3.) than EDI who so very hard tries to understand and be a human.

Relationship with EDI and humans is symbiotic because even with EDI body I don't think it can maintain Normandy all by itself, it needs human resources. How to interact and manipulate (or say, exchange services) is very important skill for EDI, that's fine too.

Except I don't really get that vibe from EDI's character at all. Instead it's just another "we are all different, but in the end all the same" type of element and fan service.

That said, I don't blame writers at all. There are certain aspects of EDI that are funny indeed. They made EDI like it is because they wanted to, not because they couldn't make something else with EDI.

[DetailedSubset]

Endurium wrote...

Inferiority complex? EDI is superhuman. Some people are uncomfortable with that.

There also exists the camp that refuses to allot any kind of intelligence to machines. I've seen them literally become Cerberus Promoters (Pro-Human) while experiencing EDI and Legion in ME2. Hilarious.

Those are a couple guesses.

I think it can be argued that EDI is not superhuman and infact lacks the essential qualitys that make even a regular human let alone a superhuman. She is only a superhaman in terms of her physical attributes (intellegence and strength) but is not truly able to have human experences, there is no throwness or sisyphic struggle to her existance. Nor is she radically free, by the very fact that she is a man made construct she was given meaning before she before she was given existance, whereas for humans our existance precedes our essance.

[SeanBahamut]

I love EDI as a character, I just hate the whole body thing.

I would actualy have been fine with it if she had taken a Geth platform, it was just the human robot body made no sense. If such bodies were possible in the ME universe, why were all the robot troops so slow and useless (and could only use pistols) in ME2.

Modifié par SeanBahamut, 20 juillet 2012 - 12:17 .

[Rotgutso]

EDI is not needed. She is dangerous and untrustworthy. She takes away a potential LI and drags him down.

[Rotgutso]

Tietj wrote...

I can't stand her, for the same reason (in a different way) that I can't stand the synthesis ending. She's so flawless (storywise) that it just ends up seeming unrealistic. Yeah, I get it, the writers like her, but I lost track of how many times she creates and then solves a problem in the same line of dialogue. The worst is the raid on the Cerberus base where she does it twice, back to back, and I'm forced to listen to myself shower her with praise both times. "Oh no, Shepard, they're going to open the doors and we'll all be sucked out there I fixed it." "If I hadn't brought you along we'd be dead, you certainly are a useful character and not superfluous at all!" followed within five minutes by "Shepard, this door is locked and we're all trapped forever I just jimmied the lock with my toenail." "Good thing we brought you along, if I may reiterate my point from ten seconds ago!" It's like Bioware wanted us to be amazed at what synthetic life could accomplish so for two games they threw problems only to have the same character fix it. I have never understood why people say that Liara was Bioware's favorite character when it was clearly EDI.

Add to that the oversexualization, the squicky romance that completely ruined Joker for me to the point where I don't even visit the cockpit in the third game or talk to him on the Citadel, and the Pinocchio complex that is way overdone and has been done better. EDI dying ignominiously in the destroy ending seems less like a sacrifice and more like a bonus incentive to pick that ending. I was a bit worried that the EC would try to make it seem super devastating to everyone that she had died, but she seems to have been largely ignored even by Joker (who I never encouraged to pursue a relationship anyway).

This is so true. EDI is so favored its stupid.

[darkchief10]

i like si- i mean edi, she's cool