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[Chaotic-Fusion]

I was surprised by how much I liked EDI in ME2, mostly because I half expected her to betray me for most of the first part, mostly because up until then I was led to expect AI to be untrustworthy, and yet she proved mission after mission how helpful and "human she was". Just goes to show how ME2 managed to subvert the whole AIs are inherently malicious plot from with both EDI and Legion, only for that whole theme to come back the last 10 min of ME3, for some reason.
Then, in ME3, giving her such a blatantly sexualized body was just awful and her new relationship with Joker really came out of nowhere. I also would have liked an option to distrust and to not approve of her new body, or to just be able to be mean to her (and option that was present in ME2), if only for role-playing purposes.

SeanBahamut wrote...

I love EDI as a character, I just hate the whole body thing.

I would actualy have been fine with it if she had taken a Geth platform, it was just the human robot body made no sense. If such bodies were possible in the ME universe, why were all the robot troops so slow and useless (and could only use pistols) in ME2.

Her taking over a customized Geth platform would have been indeed awesome.

[C9316]

This is the only good EDI

[shepskisaac]

She is despised? I don't see any EDI hate really. I love her!

[The Spamming Troll]

I spent all of ME2 recruiting the best squad in tye entire galaxy then ME3 gives me EDI and newbie vega.

I just dont understand y EDI had to be turned into a squadmate.

Thats my confusion about EDI.

[tanisha__unknown]

Endorlf wrote...

Hi everyone.

Although my account has only been around for a few days, I have observed these boards since April. In general, I'm seeing a lot of hate for EDI. She might be one of the most hated characters in the series. It puzzles me because I actually really like her, and a lot of times people say they hate her without clearly explaining why. I'm seeing a lot of the same arguments, such as sexbot and creepy relationship and so forth. I'm also hearing people complaining that she took a spot that a ME2 squadmate could have taken. Even so, I'm still puzzled by why there is so much hatred for this character.

This. I mean I don't hate her, but this android body??!!!

[Tom Lehrer]

EDI was made into Commander Data with ******.

[Mr. C]

Whimper wrote...

* Some think her relationship with Joker comes about too quickly.

She and Joker worked side by side for the entirety of ME2 and during the six months of Shepard's incarceration. That's too quickly ? 

Hell, those two are about the only romance that make sense.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Mr. C wrote...

Whimper wrote...

* Some think her relationship with Joker comes about too quickly.

She and Joker worked side by side for the entirety of ME2 and during the six months of Shepard's incarceration. That's too quickly ? 

Hell, those two are about the only romance that make sense.

But there wasn't even the slightest hint of anything romantic, they barely became friends, I liked the ship/pilot relationship a lot more.

[Siansonea]

EDI went from a cool AI character in ME2, a character that was a unique addition to the roster, to just another squadmate/oversexualized female. She devolves into a lovesick bimbo mooning over a boy. You don't hear Joker asking Shepard how to please EDI, she does all the work in trying to make her man commit, like some pre-feminist Donna Reed caricature. And her role in Synthesis doesn't help. BioWare's idea of paradise is physically inferior men getting in on with sex dolls instead of real women. If that isn't blatant wish fulfillment/subconscious insecurities on display, I don't know what is. Who needs a real woman when you can have a robot to fulfill your every whim? EDI is the ultimate Stepford Wife.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 20 juillet 2012 - 06:24 .

[ph34r-X]

I liked edi. Im sad I had to kill her n the gets but that's the closest ending to what I want. Edi in me2 was amazing. Edi in me3 was great too. N to find out that she was the rogue VI I fought on Luna actually blew my mind and gave a great explanation of how she came to be. Also her sense of humor and how she was gaining more understanding to identifying with the human race. This whole synthesis thing is BS though. She deserved a better ending. But perhaps if there's an Me4 or a future to mass effects story, she can be rebuilt if that red beam didn't vaporize her.

[ZLurps]

Siansonea II wrote...

EDI went from a cool AI character in ME2, a character that was a unique addition to the roster, to just another squadmate/oversexualized female. She devolves into a lovesick bimbo mooning over a boy. You don't hear Joker asking Shepard how to please EDI, she does all the work in trying to make her man commit, like some pre-feminist Donna Reed caricature. And her role in Synthesis doesn't help. BioWare's idea of paradise is physically inferior men getting in on with sex dolls instead of real women. If that isn't blatant wish fulfillment/subconscious insecurities on display, I don't know what is. Who needs a real woman when you can have a robot to fulfill your every whim? EDI is the ultimate Stepford Wife.

Indeed. And the joke is on us.

[Endorlf]

I can see why people want to see her attempts at being more "human" as unoriginal, but I believe that she has a compelling reason to do so. She interacts with a predominantly human crew, and she has stated that she wants to do so out of curiosity and pleasure. Given this motivation, I don't see her attempt at emulating human behavior as pointless, even if it's unoriginal.

[Melra]

Because she was frakking horrible. End of story.

[wright1978]

Do i hate EDI?
No, but i don'tthink she should have been a squaddie.
Really i'd much prefer to have Miranda on Cronos than EDI. I don't like the whole idea of building a game round people who got their entire squad killed in ME2 and forcing a bunch of rather poor new squaddies upon everyone else in the final part of a trilogy.

[tomcplotts]

I overlook EDI in my Kai Leng rage. If I wasn't hating on that douche, I'd agree with the those thinking the sexbot transformation was too much of a proverbial bone to the teenboys. I honestly think they did it to replace Miranda's ****.

[Edolix]

EDI's great...as the ships computer.

As a squadmate though? That's a big fat NO.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

TakedaMauro wrote...

Same as a lot of people talking here.

I do like her, a lot, but the sexbot part was completely unnecessary and more than a little childish.

It would have been far more interesting to show her humanization while still being part of the ship.

See the underlined. We know what the target audience was. We know what the target audience of the game was as well just by looking at the romance options for a hetero femShepard in ME3 who left Kaiden on Virmire and who romanced Jacob or Thane in ME2. Your option? Traynor or Allers. Compare this with the hetero maleShepard.

There's your target audience.

I would have loved the opportunity to tell EDI to put on a regulation uniform if she was going to stay on the bridge. "EDI, if you're going to be in that body you're part of the crew and you're expected to be in uniform. See Supply Officer Cortez in the Shuttle Bay for a proper uniform." That option should have appeared in every conversation until you picked it.

[Blacklash93]

She wasn't really that good in ME2. Most of her role there was to be a computer-hacking exposition fairy. Her occassional interactions with Joker were the only highlight.

[Obvakhi]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
I would have loved the opportunity to tell EDI to put on a regulation uniform if she was going to stay on the bridge. "EDI, if you're going to be in that body you're part of the crew and you're expected to be in uniform. See Supply Officer Cortez in the Shuttle Bay for a proper uniform." That option should have appeared in every conversation until you picked it.

Considering how Shepard can walk around the Normandy wearing a hoodie or a dress, I find that LOL-worthy.

[Errationatus]

EDI was designed to do one thing:  give Joker's girlfriend boobs and booty - and by that I mean the Normandy.  First they gave the ship a brain.  Then they gave the ship a port Joker could interface in a way that didn't burn anything off.

Then the hypersmart AI turns into "Tell me how to loooove, Shepard, your Mojo is the Mightiest."

"Uh... tell each other jokes...?"

People hate on Jack because she gets "redeemed" through Shep's man-dangler, but EDI is a "better" character because she's made a Real Girl by Joker's glass tubing?

Dafuq?  Uh.... no.

I've said it elsewhere:  it is an unremittingly stupid sci-fi cliche that all the robot has to do is learn to love and laugh and suddenly - magically, unscientificallimetaphysicalkaldociously, a "soul" drops from the Guff and they be made all real and brand new people.  

The idea that "souls" are so readily available - don't forget that if EDI and Legion have them, the Reapers certainly do - kinda devalues the "souls" we supposedly have, and makes us no different, so the Synth/Control end whinefest is without merit, and the Refusal end makes those choosers look even more like le supreme bag 'ledouche.

The notion of "souls" implies the idea of an "afterlife" and a "god" or "gods".  The Reapers negate the idea of just godlings - because their work is murder on a vast scale over millions of years - no intervention until now?  What was Gawd and his ilk waiting for - robots to get smart enough to have souls so s/he/it can give them rights and decide that death in the uncountable trillions was all worth it because said soulful 'bots are become bangable?  Or was it that Gawd just promised no more floods, and tried the Reapers for past and future sh!ts and giggly genocide?

The idea is beyond stupid.

We treat actual living creatures as disposable, and don't blink when we argue that some chassis with ski-slope tatas is suddenly worthy of all this consideration because it can emulate intelligence and put on a show?  Don't buy it, sorry, and I'm past tired of this in every damn sci-fi anything. 

(I'm also sick of giant spiders and wolves in every "open world" RPG. FFS! Giant mantids or centipedes would be a lovely change, no?  Sheesh.)

Personally, that's why I'm no fan of EDI.  She could have easily been left on the ship and a ME2 squadmate used in that space for mission-specific gameplay.  They sent Liara back to the ship so Garrus could join us, they could just as easily have done that on Grissom or Tuchanka or Sur'kesh.  I wouldn't have complained at all.  

"James/Ashley/Javik!  Coordinate anti-Cerberus efforts here!  Wrex/Kirrahe!  You're on!"  Wouldn't have bothered me at all.

Mobile Tittie-bot 5000 was completely unnecessary.  The "romance" could have been played out every time you visited Joker and gave you a reason to actually bother. It'd be a "spiritual" thing. They were doing fine before she got legs.  

Some of us are no longer 15 and have grown past eye-candy over actual content.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Obvakhi wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
I would have loved the opportunity to tell EDI to put on a regulation uniform if she was going to stay on the bridge. "EDI, if you're going to be in that body you're part of the crew and you're expected to be in uniform. See Supply Officer Cortez in the Shuttle Bay for a proper uniform." That option should have appeared in every conversation until you picked it.

Considering how Shepard can walk around the Normandy wearing a hoodie or a dress, I find that LOL-worthy.

I never did. I hated that ****ing dress, and I didn't get the hoodie, so it was regulation uniform

The thing is they could have actually left EDI as the original EDI and put another human male LI on board the Normandy, like Jacob instead of having Jacob dump femShep so that if no Kaiden a hetero femShep is left with no one.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 21 juillet 2012 - 12:19 .

[Omanisat]

JakeMacDon wrote...

EDI was designed to do one thing:  give Joker's girlfriend boobs and booty - and by that I mean the Normandy.  First they gave the ship a brain.  Then they gave the ship a port Joker could interface in a way that didn't burn anything off.

Then the hypersmart AI turns into "Tell me how to loooove, Shepard, your Mojo is the Mightiest."

"Uh... tell each other jokes...?"

People hate on Jack because she gets "redeemed" through Shep's man-dangler, but EDI is a "better" character because she's made a Real Girl by Joker's glass tubing?

Dafuq?  Uh.... no.

I've said it elsewhere:  it is an unremittingly stupid sci-fi cliche that all the robot has to do is learn to love and laugh and suddenly - magically, unscientificallimetaphysicalkaldociously, a "soul" drops from the Guff and they be made all real and brand new people.  

The idea that "souls" are so readily available - don't forget that if EDI and Legion have them, the Reapers certainly do - kinda devalues the "souls" we supposedly have, and makes us no different, so the Synth/Control end whinefest is without merit, and the Refusal end makes those choosers look even more like le supreme bag 'ledouche.

The notion of "souls" implies the idea of an "afterlife" and a "god" or "gods".  The Reapers negate the idea of just godlings - because their work is murder on a vast scale over millions of years - no intervention until now?  What was Gawd and his ilk waiting for - robots to get smart enough to have souls so s/he/it can give them rights and decide that death in the uncountable trillions was all worth it because said soulful 'bots are become bangable?  Or was it that Gawd just promised no more floods, and tried the Reapers for past and future sh!ts and giggly genocide?

The idea is beyond stupid.

We treat actual living creatures as disposable, and don't blink when we argue that some chassis with ski-slope tatas is suddenly worthy of all this consideration because it can emulate intelligence and put on a show?  Don't buy it, sorry, and I'm past tired of this in every damn sci-fi anything. 

(I'm also sick of giant spiders and wolves in every "open world" RPG. FFS! Giant mantids or centipedes would be a lovely change, no?  Sheesh.)

Personally, that's why I'm no fan of EDI.  She could have easily been left on the ship and a ME2 squadmate used in that space for mission-specific gameplay.  They sent Liara back to the ship so Garrus could join us, they could just as easily have done that on Grissom or Tuchanka or Sur'kesh.  I wouldn't have complained at all.  

"James/Ashley/Javik!  Coordinate anti-Cerberus efforts here!  Wrex/Kirrahe!  You're on!"  Wouldn't have bothered me at all.

Mobile Tittie-bot 5000 was completely unnecessary.  The "romance" could have been played out every time you visited Joker and gave you a reason to actually bother. It'd be a "spiritual" thing. They were doing fine before she got legs.  

Some of us are no longer 15 and have grown past eye-candy over actual content.

This guy wins.

[D24O]

I liked her chatacter, but I understand how somebody could get angry that she replaces a squadmate from 2. I wouldn't mind having one of them come back.

[Femlob]

JakeMacDon wrote...

EDI was designed to do one thing:  give Joker's girlfriend boobs and booty - and by that I mean the Normandy.  First they gave the ship a brain.  Then they gave the ship a port Joker could interface in a way that didn't burn anything off.

Then the hypersmart AI turns into "Tell me how to loooove, Shepard, your Mojo is the Mightiest."

"Uh... tell each other jokes...?"

People hate on Jack because she gets "redeemed" through Shep's man-dangler, but EDI is a "better" character because she's made a Real Girl by Joker's glass tubing?

Dafuq?  Uh.... no.

I've said it elsewhere:  it is an unremittingly stupid sci-fi cliche that all the robot has to do is learn to love and laugh and suddenly - magically, unscientificallimetaphysicalkaldociously, a "soul" drops from the Guff and they be made all real and brand new people.  

The idea that "souls" are so readily available - don't forget that if EDI and Legion have them, the Reapers certainly do - kinda devalues the "souls" we supposedly have, and makes us no different, so the Synth/Control end whinefest is without merit, and the Refusal end makes those choosers look even more like le supreme bag 'ledouche.

The notion of "souls" implies the idea of an "afterlife" and a "god" or "gods".  The Reapers negate the idea of just godlings - because their work is murder on a vast scale over millions of years - no intervention until now?  What was Gawd and his ilk waiting for - robots to get smart enough to have souls so s/he/it can give them rights and decide that death in the uncountable trillions was all worth it because said soulful 'bots are become bangable?  Or was it that Gawd just promised no more floods, and tried the Reapers for past and future sh!ts and giggly genocide?

The idea is beyond stupid.

We treat actual living creatures as disposable, and don't blink when we argue that some chassis with ski-slope tatas is suddenly worthy of all this consideration because it can emulate intelligence and put on a show?  Don't buy it, sorry, and I'm past tired of this in every damn sci-fi anything. 

(I'm also sick of giant spiders and wolves in every "open world" RPG. FFS! Giant mantids or centipedes would be a lovely change, no?  Sheesh.)

Personally, that's why I'm no fan of EDI.  She could have easily been left on the ship and a ME2 squadmate used in that space for mission-specific gameplay.  They sent Liara back to the ship so Garrus could join us, they could just as easily have done that on Grissom or Tuchanka or Sur'kesh.  I wouldn't have complained at all.  

"James/Ashley/Javik!  Coordinate anti-Cerberus efforts here!  Wrex/Kirrahe!  You're on!"  Wouldn't have bothered me at all.

Mobile Tittie-bot 5000 was completely unnecessary.  The "romance" could have been played out every time you visited Joker and gave you a reason to actually bother. It'd be a "spiritual" thing. They were doing fine before she got legs.  

Some of us are no longer 15 and have grown past eye-candy over actual content.