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However, no-one i've ever seen has actually given an arguement, or even a single reason why.
How does EC dispprove the indoc theory?
Here's my rubuttal to the claim that EC killed the indoc. theory. I'm not going to state my reasons why the indoctrination theory is what really happened. If you don't already agree with me on that point, I can't help you.
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Fundamentally, the ending is almost the same.
In control and synthesis, you're still getting indoctrinated. The ending scenes are deluded hallucinations of hope the reapers are giving you because you didn't break free and they now control you. That is still the same. It doesn't really matter that they explained the "plot holes" of the ending because it's fake anyway, just like before. In these two endings, the EC might as well be the same.
Let's talk about destroy, though.
Here is all that is different:
There are two possibilities now:
A) The ending scenes aren't real. They're fake because you didn't wake up yet. This means all of the stuff bioware changed doesn't matter. It might as well be the same.
Think about it, Shepard still wakes up. He has unfinished buissness with the Reapers. The scene with the old man and boy confrim that he was still successful and killed the reapers because humans are still around. And the fact that they're on a planet outside of the Sol system indictes that the relays weren't destroyed, or were repaired. It's exactly the same.
Why then, did bioware even release an extended cut? The answer is obvious: to quell the angry people and to give a big middle finger to the players who whine about it/don't get it.
The whole refusal ending is just a big hilarious joke on the people who don't get/didn't like the endings. And control is even more depressing. They're really messing with people. And they deserve it. I'm totally with Casey Hudson.
The ending scenes are real. By choosing destroy, you've broken away from the Reapers sufficiently enough that they cannot feed you false hallucinations anymore. The stuff you see after is just information for you, the player. Recall that cutscenes are allowed to show things outside of Shep's point of view. They've done it throughout the whole series. The ramifications of this are really cool. That means that Shepard actually did make it to the Citadel.
Hopefully, you're not screaming that that would disprove the indoctrination.
If you are, let me explain:
Shepard is experiencing indoctrination layered over reality. Nobody has told anyone else what it's like to get indoctrinated. Who knows if you have to be totally dreaming or if you can be walking around with reality and indoc. mixed together?
In this possibility, Harbinger just sees that Shepard is going to make it to the beam, so he starts indoctrinating him. The limping with broken bones and cuts is just an illsion. To get broken bones and bleeding wounds from a laser is impossible. Lazers intstantly cauterize. The slow motion is really just from a combination of adrenaline and indoctrination.
When Shepard goes up through the beam, he gets far enough away from Harbinger that the affect is weakened. Thus, no more slow motion. Shepard isn't far away enough that Harbinger can't shade over his reality though. There are no set rules on indoctrination, because it's not like you can just ask someone what it's like. There is a gap of information on this subject. Indoctrination can totally work like this for all we know. It's a story. You gotta meet it halfway.
Other than that, everything else is the same. It's arguable whether or not the Illusive man is really there. Harbinger could have conjured him up entirely, but it's also possible that he just snuck up on you and pinned you down. Harbinger could be making it appear like he's using a Reaper Tech to control you to confuse you. I don't believe this though because I really don't see the gain in that, and it's highly unlikely that that the Illusive man got on to the Citadel. I mean, it's possible, but it's even less possible that he got down to the control panel-probably the most guarded place on the Citadel.
Now when Shepard wakes up and takes a breath, he's on the Citadel. This is plausible because the EC explains that the Citadel didn't blow up. A slide of it was shown. Pieces were blown off, the power was off, but it still existed. Shepard is just laying on some rubble from and explosion. The reason you don't see sciency stuff is because the power was off. He obviously gets rescued later.
(By the way, did anyone else notice that you don't need 5000 ems to get the "secret ending"? Bioware intended all along to release an extended cut. This ending was just a nod to the people who get it. Good job, bioware.)
So that is how the indoc. theory is still possible.
I challenge anyone who thinks they can prove why I'm wrong to do so. Please don't write "You must have been playing a different game, blah blah blah." Please actually say why I am wrong.
Nobody say: "Bioware didn't confirm indoctrination." Bioware isn't going to say what the ending was because that would be idiotic. When has a game company ever done that? It kills the whole point of having an ending you have to think about if they give away the answer. It's like amsking a riddle, then saying the answer.
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ran this past my son the other night and he swore it says 'serve us'. unless mine and his ears need cleaning out (highly doubtful) thats my conclusion, or someone just managed to put that *extra* sound effect in there just to ****** us off. run it through a vocoder to clean it up - it deffo sounds like 'serve us' to me.
