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[d-boy15]

okay...

1. Bruce retired for 8 years because there was no need for batman that time, Dent act law
help polices to fight the crime organization. In fact, if Batman just show up, the peace time
would be ruined.

2. This is not the same Batman in comic, the Batman in comic is fight crime hero, in Nolan
vision, Batman is symbol, an ideal. Bruce know he can't do this forever and he alway looking
for someone to replace him. in TDK, He even hope for normal life with Rachel.

The ending of TDKR and ME3 have the same style plot hole but TDKR can explain it while
ME3 didn't even try to explain it.

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- Shepard survive - ??? we know only that s/he lying in the rubble of somewhere taking a breath
may or may not be found.

- Bruce survive - Auto-Pilot patch 6 months ago.

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Modifié par d-boy15, 27 juillet 2012 - 05:20 .

[comrade gando]

I literally just finished watching dark knight, now THAT is much better. initial near the end... I had that same sour taste coming up when they were holding the funeral, then I found out what really happened and how everything came back full circle in nice logical form, and batman made out like a champ and left his legacy intact without turning gotham in to robots. now THAT's much better I think.

[Normandy_Captain]

@Torrible Most if not all of those aren't even a big problem unless you are looking to tear the film apart. most of them do not make sense at all. personally, I found no problem with the movie and it is my favourite movie of all time.

[d-boy15]

I can explain more than half of those 70 plot hole but this is not Batman forums and ME3 ending didn't need
to end like TDKR.

Modifié par d-boy15, 27 juillet 2012 - 05:34 .

[grey_wind]

Sorry to disagree, but the villain plot twist at the end of TDKR was awful. Like the Catalyst, it completely destroyed everything we thought we knew about the main villain (Bane) and transformed him from super evil mastermnd who is Batman's equal to glorified bodyguard, while giving us a new poorly developed main villain in the final 5 minutes who is easily the worst written antagonist in the Nolan frachise.
This wasn't helped by the fact that the defeat of both Bane and Talia (but especially Bane) was simply terribly done.

And while the ending with Bruce finding a peaceful life with Selina Kyle is bittersweet, it also feels incredibly forced. It doesn't seem like a decision that is in-character for the Batman from the comics or even the first two Nolan movies, and simply feels hamfisted in order to give us the stupid symbolism in regards to how any ordinary man can succeed the Batman legend.

[Conniving_Eagle]

I Lol'd at the last paragraph. It's pretty similar to the situation with ME3 and EC.

[Iakus]

Mcfly616 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

clos wrote...

Sure wish Nolan would have written the ending to ME3. TDKR is an absolutely outstanding ending to a trilogy.

See, the plotline has a few holes but the movie (and specially the ending) is so satisfying the majority of people don't give a crap. That's how you do it Bioware, take note and stop messing up franchises.

besides literally seeing Bruce with his L.I....there's not much different than ME3's ending

Bruce lived and found peace.  ANd we got to see a snapshot of it.  That makes all the difference in the world.

Not really lol.....I already know what everybody plans on doing if they survive the war.....I don't need a picture illustrating it for me.....

Thanks for reassuring my belief that people mostly bash the ending because they didnt get an irrelevant slide illustrating what we already know will happen if a Shepard lives(a L.I. reunion)

Plans don't always work out.  Mordin wanted to study seashells, remember.  Might have been nice to see a picture, you know, confirming that Shepard got to actually go through with any postwar plans.

And thanks for confirming that people mostly bash ending haters because they view other points of view as irrelevant 

[comrade gando]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I Lol'd at the last paragraph. It's pretty similar to the situation with ME3 and EC.

lol you're absolutely right. I didn't even notice it at first (btw was bane actually defeated? I don't seem to remember that part), but basically they replaced the big bad dude (bane) with a random new villain (talia al'ghul) who had a really stupid reason to destroy gotham (just to kill everybody), and hamfisted it out at the last minute. It was an ok plot twist but it was at the cost of the main villain.

while bruce wayne faking batman's death and getting away with selina kyle was lightyears better than the garbage I got in ME3, which was a whole lot of NOTHING, felt forced and out of place. selina kyle was introduced in the final part of the trilogy and this happens to be the love interest. hmm. kinda weak I must say.

[Torrible]

 

comrade gando wrote...

I literally just finished watching dark knight, now THAT is much better. initial near the end... I had that same sour taste coming up when they were holding the funeral, then I found out what really happened and how everything came back full circle in nice logical form, and batman made out like a champ and left his legacy intact without turning gotham in to robots. now THAT's much better I think.

Strange how my experience was a direct contrast to yours. I was thinking "ok at least Batman got a hero's ending despite being inept for most of the film", then I got cheated out of that feeling when it turned out that he faked his own death and told no one. It made all the poignant scenes earlier (funeral, crying, eulogy) pointless. What made Batman's 'death' even more pointless was that he intended to pass on his mantle to Blake. Why fake Batman's death when he intended for the 'symbol' to live on anyway? Why make Gotham and its criminals believe that the original Batman was dead? Only a few people knew that Batman is Bruce Wayne. He needn't have to fake Batman's death in order to elope with Selina to Europe. That said, it is a minor gripe compared to other more glaring 'plot contrivances'. 

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I Lol'd at the last paragraph. It's pretty similar to the situation with ME3 and EC.

I deleted that portion. Too flame-baiting. 

Normandy_Captain wrote...

@Torrible Most if not all of those aren't even a big problem unless you are looking to tear the film apart. most of them do not make sense at all. personally, I found no problem with the movie and it is my favourite movie of all time.

 

So be it. 

Seriously, not even one problem out of the 70?

Modifié par Torrible, 27 juillet 2012 - 05:57 .

[comrade gando]

Torrible wrote...

Strange how my experience was a direct contrast to yours. I was thinking "ok at least Batman got a hero's ending despite being inept for most of the film", then I got cheated out of that feeling when it turned out that he faked his own death and told no one. It made all the poignant scenes earlier (funeral, crying, eulogy) pointless. What made Batman's 'death' even more pointless was that he intended to pass on his mantle to Blake. Why fake Batman's death when he intended for the 'symbol' to live on anyway? Why make Gotham and its criminals believe that the original Batman was dead? Only a few people knew that Batman is Bruce Wayne. He needn't have to fake Batman's death in order to elope with Selina to Europe. That said, it is a minor gripe compared to other more glaring 'plot contrivances'.

dang what's wrong with me, I totally forgot for like over half the movie batman's getting his butt kicked and just being beaten in general. well I guess you gotta fall before you can rise eh? lololol *explodes*

[Torrible]

comrade gando wrote...

Torrible wrote...

Strange how my experience was a direct contrast to yours. I was thinking "ok at least Batman got a hero's ending despite being inept for most of the film", then I got cheated out of that feeling when it turned out that he faked his own death and told no one. It made all the poignant scenes earlier (funeral, crying, eulogy) pointless. What made Batman's 'death' even more pointless was that he intended to pass on his mantle to Blake. Why fake Batman's death when he intended for the 'symbol' to live on anyway? Why make Gotham and its criminals believe that the original Batman was dead? Only a few people knew that Batman is Bruce Wayne. He needn't have to fake Batman's death in order to elope with Selina to Europe. That said, it is a minor gripe compared to other more glaring 'plot contrivances'.

dang what's wrong with me, I totally forgot for like over half the movie batman's getting his butt kicked and just being beaten in general. well I guess you gotta fall before you can rise eh? lololol *explodes*

The 'rise' part was Blake going 'up' with the platform. It's a Nolan-esque hidden metaphor. 

Modifié par Torrible, 27 juillet 2012 - 06:03 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Damn though, that chiropractor was like the Blasto of the Batman Universe.

[grey_wind]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Damn though, that chiropractor was like the Blasto of the Batman Universe.

To be completely fair, they never say Bruce's back is broken, but rather that his vertebrae were dislocated by the impact. Pushing it back like that chirpractor did was a really crude way of fixing the problem, but given where they were, it really was the only option.

[d-boy15]

grey_wind wrote...
And while the ending with Bruce finding a peaceful life with Selina Kyle is bittersweet, it also feels incredibly forced. It doesn't seem like a decision that is in-character for the Batman from the comics or even the first two Nolan movies,

well, in TDK, Bruce always ask Rachel to wait for him, He tied his hope for nomal life to her. Bruce even
choose Dent to replace the Batman.

The normal life is what Bruce (Bale) alway want, he just lost his hope for it when Rachel die.

also, Bruce and Selina settle down once in comic before DC choose to alter the universe and reboot it.

Modifié par d-boy15, 27 juillet 2012 - 06:23 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

FISHY FISHY PASTA PASTA FISHY FISHY PASTA PASTA
"What are they saying?"
"Rise."

""

[Benny8484]

It is pretty funny how the end of the batman trilogy is in many ways similar to Mass Effects. I completely agree with the OP. Christopher Nolan did what Bioware should have. I felt content & happy with the outcome of the Batman trilogy. Mass Effect on the other hand....haven't played single player campaign since day EC was released.

[mupp3tz]

OT:

I kind of wish they introduced Miranda Tate earlier in the trilogy, so that "twist" would have had a stronger impact. And... how did Bane die from just one blast?

[d-boy15]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

OT:

I kind of wish they introduced Miranda Tate earlier in the trilogy, so that "twist" would have had a stronger impact. And... how did Bane die from just one blast?

one bat-pod blast can turn tumbler to scrap metal, Bane is tough but not that tough...

Modifié par d-boy15, 27 juillet 2012 - 07:03 .

[mupp3tz]

He should have exploded, s'all I'm say'in.

[d-boy15]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

He should have exploded, s'all I'm say'in.

I agree with that but Nolan not like much of blood and gore in his movie. also, TDKR is  PG-13 rated.

[Sanunes]

Personally Dark Knight Rises isn't a bad movie, but its a very average movie and the first two are better just like what a lot of people are saying about Mass Effect 3. I think The Dark Knight was a much better ending to the trilogy and the ultimate self sacrifice of walking away, not the the stupid wink and nod approach they took with Rises.

[Loreshield]

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

I apologise in advance for the wall of text coming.  I am not an english major and can not figure out how I should format it.

Uh... Paragraphs?

Aside from that, I agree. Thoroughly enjoyed TDKR and liked the ending.

[Mcfly616]

iakus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

clos wrote...

Sure wish Nolan would have written the ending to ME3. TDKR is an absolutely outstanding ending to a trilogy.

See, the plotline has a few holes but the movie (and specially the ending) is so satisfying the majority of people don't give a crap. That's how you do it Bioware, take note and stop messing up franchises.

besides literally seeing Bruce with his L.I....there's not much different than ME3's ending

Bruce lived and found peace.  ANd we got to see a snapshot of it.  That makes all the difference in the world.

Not really lol.....I already know what everybody plans on doing if they survive the war.....I don't need a picture illustrating it for me.....

Thanks for reassuring my belief that people mostly bash the ending because they didnt get an irrelevant slide illustrating what we already know will happen if a Shepard lives(a L.I. reunion)

Plans don't always work out.  Mordin wanted to study seashells, remember.  Might have been nice to see a picture, you know, confirming that Shepard got to actually go through with any postwar plans.

plans don't always work out? Really?! ....well considering that Mordin dies...umm I think we can assume those plans aren't happening.....but, wtf does that have to do with all my squadmates that are alive and well, and know what they are going to do since they are "alive and well" aka unlike dead Mordin....hmm oh yeah....nothing....

Ofcourse plans aren't going to work out if you're dead...... Thanks for stating the obvious

Considering the rest of my crew isn't dead.....and I know what theyre going to do, Yes, a picture would have been irrelevant

[dirty console peasant]

Loreshield wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

I apologise in advance for the wall of text coming.  I am not an english major and can not figure out how I should format it.

Uh... Paragraphs?

Aside from that, I agree. Thoroughly enjoyed TDKR and liked the ending.

never been so good with those

[Urdnot Amenark]

So, we end a story with a giant plot device? That gunship of batman's takes more than twenty minutes with a bomb with only two minutes left on its timer to get several miles in the ocean and explode. Then Batman magically survives a nuclear blast? Buddy, that's the cheapest ending I've ever seen.