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[Mcfly616]

Urdnot Amenark wrote...

So, we end a story with a giant plot device? That gunship of batman's takes more than twenty minutes with a bomb with only two minutes left on its timer to get several miles in the ocean and explode. Then Batman magically survives a nuclear blast? Buddy, that's the cheapest ending I've ever seen.

Bravo.....


+1 for keeping it real

[Conniving_Eagle]

Yeah, Batman may have saved Gothan from the blast of the bomb itself, but not from the radiation poisoning.

No tsunami, either?

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 27 juillet 2012 - 02:47 .

[macrocarl]

The new Batman was OK but over explained everything. It felt like it had 20 endings and I was sleepy. I kept waiting for Samwise to show up and get married.

[Mcfly616]

macrocarl wrote...

The new Batman was OK but over explained everything. It felt like it had 20 endings and I was sleepy. I kept waiting for Samwise to show up and get married.

Lol

[BatmanPWNS]

Urdnot Amenark wrote...

So, we end a story with a giant plot device? That gunship of batman's takes more than twenty minutes with a bomb with only two minutes left on its timer to get several miles in the ocean and explode. Then Batman magically survives a nuclear blast? Buddy, that's the cheapest ending I've ever seen.

Lol, did you even watch the movie? He didn't magically survive it. He fixed the autopilot and ejected before it exploded. Magically surviving would be what Shepard did in ME3 destroy ending.

[Conniving_Eagle]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Urdnot Amenark wrote...

So, we end a story with a giant plot device? That gunship of batman's takes more than twenty minutes with a bomb with only two minutes left on its timer to get several miles in the ocean and explode. Then Batman magically survives a nuclear blast? Buddy, that's the cheapest ending I've ever seen.

Lol, did you even watch the movie? He didn't magically survive it. He fixed the autopilot and ejected before it exploded. Magically surviving would be what Shepard did in ME3 destroy ending.

Would you like to explain why the detonation had no effect what so ever?

[BatmanPWNS]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Urdnot Amenark wrote...

So, we end a story with a giant plot device? That gunship of batman's takes more than twenty minutes with a bomb with only two minutes left on its timer to get several miles in the ocean and explode. Then Batman magically survives a nuclear blast? Buddy, that's the cheapest ending I've ever seen.

Lol, did you even watch the movie? He didn't magically survive it. He fixed the autopilot and ejected before it exploded. Magically surviving would be what Shepard did in ME3 destroy ending.

Would you like to explain why the detonation had no effect what so ever?

It's a superhero movie.

[Torrible]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Urdnot Amenark wrote...

So, we end a story with a giant plot device? That gunship of batman's takes more than twenty minutes with a bomb with only two minutes left on its timer to get several miles in the ocean and explode. Then Batman magically survives a nuclear blast? Buddy, that's the cheapest ending I've ever seen.

Lol, did you even watch the movie? He didn't magically survive it. He fixed the autopilot and ejected before it exploded. Magically surviving would be what Shepard did in ME3 destroy ending.

Would you like to explain why the detonation had no effect what so ever?

It's a superhero movie.

Except Batman has no superpowers and it is a neutron bomb with a 6 mile wide blast radius.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Torrible wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Urdnot Amenark wrote...

So, we end a story with a giant plot device? That gunship of batman's takes more than twenty minutes with a bomb with only two minutes left on its timer to get several miles in the ocean and explode. Then Batman magically survives a nuclear blast? Buddy, that's the cheapest ending I've ever seen.

Lol, did you even watch the movie? He didn't magically survive it. He fixed the autopilot and ejected before it exploded. Magically surviving would be what Shepard did in ME3 destroy ending.

Would you like to explain why the detonation had no effect what so ever?

It's a superhero movie.

Except Batman has no superpowers and it is a neutron bomb with a 6 mile wide blast radius.

Yeah, so much for things like tsunamis, nuclear falllout, the obliteration of the marine ecosystem, cracks in the ocean floor etc.

TDKR was better than The Avengers, but atleast Avengers had less plot holes.

[d-boy15]

both Avengers and TDKR share the same problem... their main villain easily defeated.

- Loki : Hulk beat the s_it out of him (seriously, in the second half of movie he turn out to be a joke
get fooled by Black Widow, Hawkeye bomb, Hulk scene)

- Bane : Blasted away... , Batman defeat him because he accidentally hit Bane mask.

also, one of the reasons that (most) fans reaction of both ME3 and TDKR is different because at
least TDKR try to explain it plotholes and they didn't just let Batman to agree with Bane.

[Conniving_Eagle]

I always want the antagonists to win the Batman movies.

[d-boy15]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I always want the antagonists to win the Batman movies.

technically, in TDK, Joker win.

[legion999]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Yeah, Batman may have saved Gothan from the blast of the bomb itself, but not from the radiation poisoning.

No tsunami, either?

I thought fusions bombs didn't produce as much radiation?

And aren't tsunamis produced by earthquakes/volcanoes only? 

Modifié par legion999, 27 juillet 2012 - 05:40 .

[Mcfly616]

d-boy15 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I always want the antagonists to win the Batman movies.

technically, in TDK, Joker win.

Indeed... he did.

[Smeffects]

Just for the record, 6 mile radius is actually pretty small for a vehicle, flying too. We arent really sure on how fast the bat could travel at maximum speed... but what ever it was if it was  close to any current type jet engine 6 mile is a few seconds, 2 minutes is a very damn far away.

Also for reference a blast radius is not the power of an explosion. It simply how far the shock wave will travel before having no more power and stopping. 6 mile radius is not very big for a radius, the radius of chernobyl was 18 miles. The epicenter of the blast would have been devastation to Gotham(the radiation being the biggest threat), but not enough to cause a tsnunami of considerable size, water is a terrible energy conductor.

Also the radiation coming from a nuclear blast in ocean is really not as devastating as on land. Its effect in rain and transportation is limited to the ocean movements. Its not a green fog that goes everywhere like in movies, its actually particles. The effect would have been there, but more along the line of how chernobyl affected the west of europe. Still some effect, but nothing close to the effect on the epicenter or the very close cities.

Also for another reference fusion explosion (like TDKR one, is simular to chernobyl.) does not cause material damage as extended as you could guess. Most of the structure it hits will still be standing, (ei no theory about crack in ocean floor). Added to that ocean floor is deep in water, water transfer energy very poorly, a blast of 6 miles in air wouldnt even reach 500 feet under water, hell even less then that.

While movie not often follow logic, lets not over imagine fusion explosion to be more then they are in real life either.

Modifié par Smeffects, 27 juillet 2012 - 07:14 .

[Iakus]

Mcfly616 wrote...

 plans don't always work out? Really?! ....well considering that Mordin dies...umm I think we can assume those plans aren't happening.....but, wtf does that have to do with all my squadmates that are alive and well, and know what they are going to do since they are "alive and well" aka unlike dead Mordin....hmm oh yeah....nothing....

Ofcourse plans aren't going to work out if you're dead...... Thanks for stating the obvious

Considering the rest of my crew isn't dead.....and I know what theyre going to do, Yes, a picture would have been irrelevant

Reasonably certain Shepard's plans don't involve spending all eternity buried in rubble, waiting for rescue.  But apparantly Bioware had other plans...

Considering Shepard, best case scenerio, is left in some ambiguous Shrodinger-state, unlike Bruce Wayne, a picture would in fact be relevent.  If for no other reason than to show Shepard did in fact have a life after the Reapers.

Modifié par iakus, 27 juillet 2012 - 07:57 .

[AtreiyaN7]

You want to know something hilarious? There were two reviews in my newspaper (reprints from mainland papers since it's obviously a movie that demanded heavy-duty film criticism). Now one review essentially called the picture a masterpiece and gave it four stars. The other review more or less said it was mediocre and muddled (along with a dig at Bane with his "Scooby-Doo" voice) and gave it two stars (oh, and he mentioned how silly/artificial some of the emotional moments seemed to be like one scene involving Alfred showing his concern for Bats being a bit overdone).

So go figure - two movie critics with two opinions, neither of whom agree about how Batman's journey ended. *rolleyes* I Christopher Nolan, but I've also seen friends on my list with divergent opinions about the movie (so far I think two like it and one was disappointed by it), so I'm not quite willing to go with The Dark Knight Rises as an amazing capstone to a trilogy quite yet. Oh, I'm sure I'll enjoy it when I get around to watching it, but I'm a little doubtful about it being as amazing as some people are making it out to be.

[Lwyn]

Saw the movie today and came out satisfied. Read through the thread to state some personal feelings: at the end of ME3 I felt betrayed and disappointed. At the end of TDKR I felt empowered and jubilant. That is the important question: what does your audience feel at the spot? Not afterwards, but during the scenes. Ending is the last image you leave on your audience and usually colours the rest of the imagery as well. I might have have a different perspective as a formerly dead person but I do feel empowerment is superior to disappointment.

[Baa Baa]

BSN is about the only place I'm seeing any much for this movie. Which is surprising, after ME3, that anything like this wouldn't appear godly. Pretty much everyone I know whose seen it loves it and is going back to watch it again. Or in my case, going back for a third time.
The time at the end was added for effect. Of course it would probably take longer than that for the Bat to take it a safe distance from Gotham (although it might, jets/helicopters can go damn fast so it's plausible). And Batman could have jumped out well before going into the ocean (a lot of people think he jumped out as he caused the explosion of the building). So I don't see what's with people saying "How could Batman survive?" Do you not remember that he was with the League of Shadows? It's not hard to imagine him escaping, he had several chances.
Btw, legion999... awesome sig

Modifié par Baa Baa, 28 juillet 2012 - 10:54 .

[McAllyster]

OK, but Nolan has absolutely no artistic integrity!!!

[grey_wind]

d-boy15 wrote...

grey_wind wrote...
And while the ending with Bruce finding a peaceful life with Selina Kyle is bittersweet, it also feels incredibly forced. It doesn't seem like a decision that is in-character for the Batman from the comics or even the first two Nolan movies,

well, in TDK, Bruce always ask Rachel to wait for him, He tied his hope for nomal life to her. Bruce even
choose Dent to replace the Batman.

The normal life is what Bruce (Bale) alway want, he just lost his hope for it when Rachel die.

also, Bruce and Selina settle down once in comic before DC choose to alter the universe and reboot it.

And yet, at the end of the day, he always chooses to be Batman over Bruce Wayne. That is who he is. That is the conclusion every writer who has ever competently handled Batman has come to in their narrative. TDKR shouldn't have ended with Bruce dumping Blake with his responsibilities and running off to Italy to boink Selina Kyle, it should have ended with Bruce realizing that he will always be Batman and that he will never lead the normal life Alfred wants him to, because that is his calling, even if one day it kills him.
That is the definitive Batman, who will protect Gotham until the day he dies. Bruce's retirement at the end of TDKR is really character-breaking.

[Clayless]

grey_wind wrote... to boink Selina Kyle

And I'm pretty sure she was a lesbian in that movie.

So basically he was forever ****-teased.

[Oni Changas]

d-boy15 wrote...

both Avengers and TDKR share the same problem... their main villain easily defeated.

- Loki : Hulk beat the s_it out of him (seriously, in the second half of movie he turn out to be a joke
get fooled by Black Widow, Hawkeye bomb, Hulk scene)

- Bane : Blasted away... , Batman defeat him because he accidentally hit Bane mask.

also, one of the reasons that (most) fans reaction of both ME3 and TDKR is different because at
least TDKR try to explain it plotholes and they didn't just let Batman to agree with Bane.

Batman hit his mask on purpose... were you paying attention to the dialogue?

Loki getting the sh*t kicked out of him by the Hulk is nothing to be embarrassed about. If not for Mjolnir, Thor could be smashed almost as easily if Hulk is angry enough.

Loki got played by Widow because he was manipulating her. Hence his lack of worry and the fact that he scared her out of her mind when she nearly admits her feelings for Hawkeye.

Hawkeye is bar none the best archer and arguably the best shot in all of Marvel comics. Loki hadn't planned on an exploding arrow.

Getting shot in the abdomen by a missle ain't exactly being beat easily. Underwhelming? Yes, but how else could he have been killed/defeated without contrivance?

[Baa Baa]

*Thread comes back after being gone for almost a month*
"Impossible."