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[Eterna]

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I don't think slapping the Dark Knights ending onto Mass Effect would be okay.

Why not they already ripped off B5, it would certainly be a much better ending than the one we got.  Also I am not saying to slap the TDKRs ending on Mass Effect 3,  I am simply saying that is an example to draw from (narritive coherence while changing the face of the villain, not changing the main conflict in the last 10 minutes, not leaving a heros fate vague).  I am not saying that they should do a direct pull, but I am saying that they could take notes and improve their ending.

They already have improved their endings, don't expect a round two.

I do not consider polishing the turd to be an improvement, It still sucks.

That sucks, but posting the Dark Knights ending here usn't going to change anything. There is nothing wrong with the endings now, you just don't like them. That's not enough ground to warrant changing the endings further. 

[Saint Op]

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Saint Op wrote...

Yeah such a shame that Mass Effect didn't have 70+ years of material to build off of and recycle all those stories with slight differences...
Really why didn't they make Shepards web shooters organic...The house should have landed on T.I.M....Tombs shot first...and was it really a dream of was it just LSD....
Oh and how come Lost didn't end just like Bonanza...

What are you even trying to say?

That this is a stupid comparison...why not compare everything in any story to Mass Effect with disregaurd for the story and situation or media element....is this your Batman...my batman wouldn't talk like a fool...

[Hunter_Wolf]

SRobson wrote...

Dusen wrote...

SRobson wrote...

Personally, I thought the ending of Dark Knight Rises was terrible. He should have died =/

Well, technically, Bruce Wayne did die. He now lives under another alias in Italy.

I mean DIE die. Actually die. I'm one of those people who is quite fond of endings where the 'hero' dies.

Him dying should have been on the table yes, but look at ME2 as a perfect example. If you tried hard enough and spent the time, you could save EVERYONE. So people claiming ME was supposed to be dark are kidding themselves, ME3 should have had that avanue available.

[dirty console peasant]

Eterna5 wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I don't think slapping the Dark Knights ending onto Mass Effect would be okay.

Why not they already ripped off B5, it would certainly be a much better ending than the one we got.  Also I am not saying to slap the TDKRs ending on Mass Effect 3,  I am simply saying that is an example to draw from (narritive coherence while changing the face of the villain, not changing the main conflict in the last 10 minutes, not leaving a heros fate vague).  I am not saying that they should do a direct pull, but I am saying that they could take notes and improve their ending.

They already have improved their endings, don't expect a round two.

I do not consider polishing the turd to be an improvement, It still sucks.

That sucks, but posting the Dark Knights ending here usn't going to change anything. There is nothing wrong with the endings now, you just don't like them. That's not enough ground to warrant changing the endings further. 

I am not the only one still unsatisfied with the way that Bioware concluded the trilogy, there are still many threads talking about how bad the endings were.

[dirty console peasant]

Saint Op wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Saint Op wrote...

Yeah such a shame that Mass Effect didn't have 70+ years of material to build off of and recycle all those stories with slight differences...
Really why didn't they make Shepards web shooters organic...The house should have landed on T.I.M....Tombs shot first...and was it really a dream of was it just LSD....
Oh and how come Lost didn't end just like Bonanza...

What are you even trying to say?

That this is a stupid comparison...why not compare everything in any story to Mass Effect with disregaurd for the story and situation or media element....is this your Batman...my batman wouldn't talk like a fool...

I am simply trying to say that there are better ways to end a trilogy than the way that Bioware did, and they could take notes from this.  Art does not exist in a vacuum.

[Eterna]

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

I don't think slapping the Dark Knights ending onto Mass Effect would be okay.

Why not they already ripped off B5, it would certainly be a much better ending than the one we got.  Also I am not saying to slap the TDKRs ending on Mass Effect 3,  I am simply saying that is an example to draw from (narritive coherence while changing the face of the villain, not changing the main conflict in the last 10 minutes, not leaving a heros fate vague).  I am not saying that they should do a direct pull, but I am saying that they could take notes and improve their ending.

They already have improved their endings, don't expect a round two.

I do not consider polishing the turd to be an improvement, It still sucks.

That sucks, but posting the Dark Knights ending here usn't going to change anything. There is nothing wrong with the endings now, you just don't like them. That's not enough ground to warrant changing the endings further. 

I am not the only one still unsatisfied with the way that Bioware concluded the trilogy, there are still many threads talking about how bad the endings were.

That doesn't change the fact that complaining here won't change them further. 

[Mylia Stenetch]

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

I am simply trying to say that there are better ways to end a trilogy than the way that Bioware did, and they could take notes from this.  Art does not exist in a vacuum.

There are many movies/games/book/etc that did a better ending to a trilogy than the Mass Effect series, then there are ones that did it much worse the ME. It is context, unfortunatley the big thing that hurt ME3 the most is the hype built around it by the media, us, and gaming companies it was destined to failure.

While Dark Knight Rises, did not get the hype levels (I felt) like ME3 due to Avengers. It still delivered on the hype it had, but people also learned that it would not match up to The Dark Knight due mostly to the part by Heath Ledger. There are many factors to put in place, just to say DKR ending would work in ME3 is hard to say it might of, it might of been worse, since Mass Effect is not a complete static story, like the Batman Trilogy has been.

[Fawx9]

Here I was debating whether to post this thread in a day or so when more people saw it.

Anyways, I completely agree.

The ending sequence for the movie is exactly what high EMS destroy should have been like. Seeing Shepard walking in the background, either on Earth or the Citadel with their LI, or alone if none, would have been perfect. You wouldn't even need an "Alfred" there, as it could be the player giving the final nod to Shepard.

[dirty console peasant]

Fawx9 wrote...

Here I was debating whether to post this thread in a day or so when more people saw it.

Anyways, I completely agree.

The ending sequence for the movie is exactly what high EMS destroy should have been like. Seeing Shepard walking in the background, either on Earth or the Citadel with their LI, or alone if none, would have been perfect. You wouldn't even need an "Alfred" there, as it could be the player giving the final nod to Shepard.

What about thessia if Liara is LI, or Rannoch if Tali is LI, or Palaven if Garrus.  Also if they are capable of having kids, they should have a child beside them (I really want my Blue Children)

Modifié par Shepard Cmdr, 20 juillet 2012 - 07:48 .

[zambot]

What on Earth are you people talking about. Batman died at the end of the movie. Alfred just imagined seeing him there.

[Ithurael]

zambot wrote...

What on Earth are you people talking about. Batman died at the end of the movie. Alfred just imagined seeing him there.

LOL!
[SPOILERS]


You know I actually was thinking that! But then again...how did he know that Bruce and Selina kinda had a thing for each other?

Also...Does this prove IT?

[zambot]

Ithurael wrote...

zambot wrote...

What on Earth are you people talking about. Batman died at the end of the movie. Alfred just imagined seeing him there.

LOL!
[SPOILERS]


You know I actually was thinking that! But then again...how did he know that Bruce and Selina kinda had a thing for each other?

Also...Does this prove IT?

I was thinking it proves HT...hallucination theory

[crimzontearz]

As I keep repeating, may those responsible directly for this **** be demoted or fired so that they may never influence BiowEAre games again

[shodiswe]

I don't think Mass effect was ever a Heroes Jouney. Even if it had a potentialy heroic protagonist that became the synthesis template through the Lazarus project.

ME was more of a philosophical Sci-fi story with shooter elements and RPG than it was an action hero game.

[dirty console peasant]

shodiswe wrote...

I don't think Mass effect was ever a Heroes Jouney. Even if it had a potentialy heroic protagonist that became the synthesis template through the Lazarus project.

ME was more of a philosophical Sci-fi story with shooter elements and RPG than it was an action hero game.

But Shepard was still the hero and they still screwed up the ending, If the ending had been similar to TDKRs ending it would have been better.

[Geralt of Relays]

I'm not long back from watching TDKR, and totally thought the same thing! The ending in the film should have been one of (if not the) hardest one to get in the game. TDKR also has plot twists that still fit into the overall story, which ME sadly lacked. Hope BW take note of how to do this in the future, as we in all probability will not see any further changes to ME3's ending.

[Ithurael]

DJO Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote...

I'm not long back from watching TDKR, and totally thought the same thing! The ending in the film should have been one of (if not the) hardest one to get in the game. TDKR also has plot twists that still fit into the overall story, which ME sadly lacked. Hope BW take note of how to do this in the future, as we in all probability will not see any further changes to ME3's ending.

This is what I see everytime I hear the Catalyst change the central conflict to Organic vs Synthetic:
youtu.be/kdhhQhqi_AE

[Iakus]

Everything I've heard about TDKR ending is that it's similar to the comic "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" (the "death" of Silver Age Superman) If that's the case, I agree, much better ending than ME3.

[Dusen]

SRobson wrote...

Dusen wrote...

SRobson wrote...

Personally, I thought the ending of Dark Knight Rises was terrible. He should have died =/

Well, technically, Bruce Wayne did die. He now lives under another alias in Italy.

I mean DIE die. Actually die. I'm one of those people who is quite fond of endings where the 'hero' dies.

I've got nothing against the hero dying, although it's not my preferred ending, but I would have been fine if ME3 had the same level quality of writing as TDKR's ending did, even if Shepard died.

[Dusen]

Ithurael wrote...

The great thing about TDKR is that it NEVER sacrificed its central conflict over the course of the narrative. Some of the themes shown in TDKR:
- Wage Equality (Rich vs Poor)
- Escalation
- Anarchy vs Order
- Morality (Dent act & lie vs Truth)
-Fear.

Each of these sub themes created a conflict in the narrative, but the primary Conflict of the narrative was: "Batman must save Gotham from being Destroyed"

If at the final scene when Batman is about to kill bane we get a Twist that states that Bane and the League is needed to destroy Gotham (and all decadent cities) because the Rich will always be destroyed by the Poor. Destroying the city just keeps it contained. That would not make sense. It isn't because of the noticeable circular logic - villains are allowed to be hypocrites. It doesn't make sense because of they shift a sub theme to the Central conflict!. That is the biggest issue I had with ME3, it took a sub theme and made it the new Central Conflict of the game and the three options were largely shaped around that new central conflict.

The Dark Knight Rises is a great example of narrative coherence and beautiful storytelling. Sure, it was no Dark Knight, but then again I severely doubt anyone thought that Nolan could top Ledger's Joker or the story of TDK. The best he could do was equal TDK and he largely succeeded.

TDKR >>>>>ME3+EC

And yes, it was really great to get an ending to a fantastic trilogy that didn't end all "emo". LOL

THIS ^ So much!

[nitefyre410]

SRobson wrote...

Personally, I thought the ending of Dark Knight Rises was terrible. He should have died =/

 



One does not simply "kill"    Batman...

more powerful  people than Christopher Nolans  incarnation of  Bane have tried. 
  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 20 juillet 2012 - 09:56 .

[kyban]

I was pondering of starting a post like this, good thing i looked for it.

I totally agree with the OP. I was not a fan of The Dark Knight, it was good but i felt it was "meh."
The Dark Knight Rises however, is a different story. It was a great movie, and even though i knew DC would never let Nolan kill off Batman, I would have been totally HAPPY with it.
That would have been a good bitter sweet ending. I even said that to my friends walking out of the movie, "Why couldn't ME3 have ended like that?"

*spoilers*
But guess what, everyone lived! EVERYONE! (except the bad guys) And i bet you most everyone will love this movie, and it will rival The Avengers, possibly Avatar in revenue.

but then everyone said "Shepard living is too cliche!"  Why is that so wrong? What's wrong with wanting our beloved hero living? He's a HERO! They symbolize something special. He's supposed to represent everything we cannot be, and still win no matter what the oods. Shepard was always supposed to beat the odds, kiss the girl/guy, and fly off into space!

Modifié par kyban, 20 juillet 2012 - 10:39 .

[Blueprotoss]

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

They already have improved their endings, don't expect a round two.

I do not consider polishing the turd to be an improvement, It still sucks.

Haters gonna hate. 

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

I am not the only one still unsatisfied with the way that Bioware concluded the trilogy, there are still many threads talking about how bad the endings were.

Yet this is nothing new especially with ME1 and ME2 small outrages. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 20 juillet 2012 - 10:52 .

[Blueprotoss]

Saint Op wrote...

Yeah such a shame that Mass Effect didn't have 70+ years of material to build off of and recycle all those stories with slight differences...
Really why didn't they make Shepards web shooters organic...The house should have landed on T.I.M....Tombs shot first...and was it really a dream of was it just LSD....
Oh and how come Lost didn't end just like Bonanza...

I'm a comic book fan and this is very true.

[Ben20530]

I've just come back from seeing this and agree completely. Whilst I actually like the high ems destroy ending, it needed the final uplifting scene to be more than a breath and an implication...

It was a cracking end to the film and a shining example of how epilogues should be done.