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[Fauxnormal]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Virginian wrote...

I was very dissapointed in Nolan's Batman.

Batman quits not once but twice. A true Batman doesn't quit because he is wanted for murder or to get laid.

I don't support character assassination and Nolan assassinated Batman and turned him into some pathetic fool.

If Bioware did this Shepard would have set down in front of Starchild and just said go ahead glowboy I don't care anymore.

No one can keep going forever,  If he had kept going as batman it would not have worked, after TDK he needed to stay off the streets to let everything calm down, his presence would have only incited violence.  

'It not working' is rather a point with Batman. Batman isn't an emotionally well adjusted man, Batman is an obsessed, uncompromising, and unrelenting force who, after the early years, spent the rest of his life spurning the very attachments he created that could have taken him out of the suit, even when doing so ruins those relationships with people he chereishes. Batman doesn't retire happily: Batman retires bitter, impotent, and alone when he accepts that he can't keep on wearing the suit.

batman...is a dull, emotionless, unattachable character with a billion half-ass cleches that are never properly pulled off the try and make him a semi-interesting character.

[Dean_the_Young]

Fauxnormal wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Virginian wrote...

I was very dissapointed in Nolan's Batman.

Batman quits not once but twice. A true Batman doesn't quit because he is wanted for murder or to get laid.

I don't support character assassination and Nolan assassinated Batman and turned him into some pathetic fool.

If Bioware did this Shepard would have set down in front of Starchild and just said go ahead glowboy I don't care anymore.

No one can keep going forever,  If he had kept going as batman it would not have worked, after TDK he needed to stay off the streets to let everything calm down, his presence would have only incited violence.  

'It not working' is rather a point with Batman. Batman isn't an emotionally well adjusted man, Batman is an obsessed, uncompromising, and unrelenting force who, after the early years, spent the rest of his life spurning the very attachments he created that could have taken him out of the suit, even when doing so ruins those relationships with people he chereishes. Batman doesn't retire happily: Batman retires bitter, impotent, and alone when he accepts that he can't keep on wearing the suit.

batman...is a dull, emotionless, unattachable character with a billion half-ass cleches that are never properly pulled off the try and make him a semi-interesting character.

Half of those claims are objectively false, and the other half are subjective opinions.

[dirty console peasant]

Fauxnormal wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

I just got back from seeing the movie a second time, and guess what...I still teared up a little at the end even though I knew that Bruce Wayne had survived, that is the mark of a good ending. It has gotten to the point where I just left my last shepard at the point right before the Cerberus base, I just could not experience the horrendous ending again.

Good. Sell your games and get out. Bye.

I did not say that I could not replay the series, that will have to wait until I get some of the new stuff in MP.  I simply said that I could not re-experience the pain of the endings as they are.  If bioware releases some new dlc that adds to the story and allows for a TDKR like ending then I will gladly buy it and finish that playthrough, until that point I will stop all playthroughs just before the Cerberus base and Head cannon the rest.

[Fauxnormal]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Virginian wrote...

I was very dissapointed in Nolan's Batman.

Batman quits not once but twice. A true Batman doesn't quit because he is wanted for murder or to get laid.

I don't support character assassination and Nolan assassinated Batman and turned him into some pathetic fool.

If Bioware did this Shepard would have set down in front of Starchild and just said go ahead glowboy I don't care anymore.

No one can keep going forever,  If he had kept going as batman it would not have worked, after TDK he needed to stay off the streets to let everything calm down, his presence would have only incited violence.  

'It not working' is rather a point with Batman. Batman isn't an emotionally well adjusted man, Batman is an obsessed, uncompromising, and unrelenting force who, after the early years, spent the rest of his life spurning the very attachments he created that could have taken him out of the suit, even when doing so ruins those relationships with people he chereishes. Batman doesn't retire happily: Batman retires bitter, impotent, and alone when he accepts that he can't keep on wearing the suit.

batman...is a dull, emotionless, unattachable character with a billion half-ass cleches that are never properly pulled off the try and make him a semi-interesting character.

Half of those claims are objectively false, and the other half are subjective opinions.

Nope.

[dirty console peasant]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Virginian wrote...

I was very dissapointed in Nolan's Batman.

Batman quits not once but twice. A true Batman doesn't quit because he is wanted for murder or to get laid.

I don't support character assassination and Nolan assassinated Batman and turned him into some pathetic fool.

If Bioware did this Shepard would have set down in front of Starchild and just said go ahead glowboy I don't care anymore.

No one can keep going forever,  If he had kept going as batman it would not have worked, after TDK he needed to stay off the streets to let everything calm down, his presence would have only incited violence.  

'It not working' is rather a point with Batman. Batman isn't an emotionally well adjusted man, Batman is an obsessed, uncompromising, and unrelenting force who, after the early years, spent the rest of his life spurning the very attachments he created that could have taken him out of the suit, even when doing so ruins those relationships with people he chereishes. Batman doesn't retire happily: Batman retires bitter, impotent, and alone when he accepts that he can't keep on wearing the suit.

That was not the feeling that I got from the trilogy, what I felt was that he used the suit as a tool and would be glad to stop needing it, but that is beside the point.  The feeling exuded by shepard throuought ME3 is that of tiredness and the desire for it to be over,  that s/he is ready to just live a "normal life".

[Dean_the_Young]

Yup. Dull is an opinion, emotionless is false throughout his franchise, attachable is disproven by the number of characters and fans who are attached, he doesn't have a billion half-ass clenches, and the interesting-value is an opinion.

[Kungfu Nando]

Soul8lighter wrote...

 

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Soul8lighter wrote...

It was epic!

Dark Knight or ME3 (and yes there is a right answer)

 

I just got done watching the movie. It has some twists that I didn't see coming.

Hmm that was quite the opposite for me, the plot twist were predictable and easily spotted but I am a batman fan,... At the moment i feel as..
1) DKR as a movie= AWESOME
2) DKR as a Nolan Batman= FANTASTIC
3) DKR from a Batman point of view= Good.

I think it suffers similarly to this game because the writers had/wanted to go a different direction after the the second one was release and certain things had to be change to compensate. In ME3s case change the main focus of the reapers at the begining of the new game/ losing one of the head writers. For the DKR Health Ledger dying forcing to what a felt (PURE THEORY ALERT) a change in direction such as it being 8 years, clean streets etc.. I felt if the joker was able to come back it would be him showing up, after somehow escaping Arkham and ruining the lie, maybe only having batman quit for 1 or 2 years, being captured bane stepping in to proceed with his plan taking advantage of the jokers chaos. Lets even make it 3-4 so you could have Robin still as a very young adult. 

Things I loved were the Nolan Bane, his take on venom (constant pain killers to dull pain/increase strength), Nolan Catwoman, the new gadgets that added to batman's mystique (emp gun etc), "The bat" Bale's performs, I could literally go on.

Nitpicks I had, First and even second fight with bane, he did not fight as the Dark Knight. I've heard the excuse in a review that batman is rusty, and maybe I've been spoiled by post nolan influences in other sources (Arkham city, Young Justice show, Batman/justice league DTD movies) but batman is anything but cocky and stupid. If he has a disadvantage his uses his tools and mind to help him. I still wanted him to lose and get his back broken but atleast put up a fight (Proper use of gadgets, moving about not just walking up to bane in a keysi stance etc)... it would have benefitted both characters more especially banes, Bruce being only Batman for like 6 months at best then gone for so long, Robin just becoming the new Batman and a few others. 

Sorry for the last bit going off topic

[Dean_the_Young]

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Virginian wrote...

I was very dissapointed in Nolan's Batman.

Batman quits not once but twice. A true Batman doesn't quit because he is wanted for murder or to get laid.

I don't support character assassination and Nolan assassinated Batman and turned him into some pathetic fool.

If Bioware did this Shepard would have set down in front of Starchild and just said go ahead glowboy I don't care anymore.

No one can keep going forever,  If he had kept going as batman it would not have worked, after TDK he needed to stay off the streets to let everything calm down, his presence would have only incited violence.  

'It not working' is rather a point with Batman. Batman isn't an emotionally well adjusted man, Batman is an obsessed, uncompromising, and unrelenting force who, after the early years, spent the rest of his life spurning the very attachments he created that could have taken him out of the suit, even when doing so ruins those relationships with people he chereishes. Batman doesn't retire happily: Batman retires bitter, impotent, and alone when he accepts that he can't keep on wearing the suit.

That was not the feeling that I got from the trilogy, what I felt was that he used the suit as a tool and would be glad to stop needing it, but that is beside the point. 

Of course in the trilogy Batman walks away from it:that's not in dispute. But that the trilogy does that is the issue here: this is something pretty fundamental to Batman that goes contrary to most of his established character over the decades.

The feeling exuded by shepard throuought ME3 is that of tiredness and
the desire for it to be over,  that s/he is ready to just live a "normal
life".

That depends on the Shepard, and the player's projections.

[Fauxnormal]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Yup. Dull is an opinion, emotionless is false throughout his franchise, attachable is disproven by the number of characters and fans who are attached, he doesn't have a billion half-ass clenches, and the interesting-value is an opinion.

A lot of people likeing something doesn't make it good.

It means a lot of people like subpar things.

[Fauxnormal]

Also, he's a walking pile of half-fleshed out cleches.

And he's boring. And stupid. And lame. And the villians are weak. And the acting is bad. AND OH MY GOOOOODDD, HIS PAREENNNTTTSSS ARE DEEEAAAADDDD, he's so broooodddyyy and inteeennnseee, ooohhh, he must be interesting, right?! RIGHT GUIZ?


Batman=worst 'hero' outside of superman ever created.

Modifié par Fauxnormal, 21 juillet 2012 - 10:28 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Fauxnormal wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Yup. Dull is an opinion, emotionless is false throughout his franchise, attachable is disproven by the number of characters and fans who are attached, he doesn't have a billion half-ass clenches, and the interesting-value is an opinion.

A lot of people likeing something doesn't make it good.

It means a lot of people like subpar things.

True, but it flows the other way around as well: not liking something doesn't make it bad.

Of course, that's irrelevant to the weakness of your claims: some do have an objective answer that you were wrong in, and some are merely subjective.

[Kungfu Nando]

OOO OOO do I get to do that MMO gamer thingy?

An obvious troll is obvious....

[sth88]

Amazing way to end the Dark Knight trilogy. Mass Effect could have had a similar, uplifting ending like that, but no, that wouldn't have been artistic enough. The way the Dark Knight Rises was so unartistic that it is going to make hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars, and leave many customers happy, satisfied, and perhaps hopeful future installments with Robin as the lead character.

Shame Bioware couldn't have learned this lesson sooner, that they might have been able to craft an ending that would leave its devoted fanbase begging for more. Shame they couldn't have learned it before they permanently lost the trust and business of people like me.

[Fauxnormal]

Kungfu Nando wrote...

OOO OOO do I get to do that MMO gamer thingy?

An obvious troll is obvious....

Yes, I'm a troll because I have taste.

/chuckles.

Have fun talking about how amazing your pretend interesting pretend hero is.

[Arisugawa]

TDKR is garbage. The main villain isn't engaging, the situations unbelievable, and nothing in the story had any emotional resonance. I'd rather have ME3, with all its flaws, over TDKR.

Modifié par Arisugawa, 21 juillet 2012 - 10:45 .

[Kungfu Nando]

Arisugawa wrote...

TDKR is garbage. The main villain isn't engaging, the situations unbelievable, and nothing in the story had any emotional resonance. I'd rather have ME3, with all its flaws, over TDKR.

Funnily enough I had a similar feeling about the TDKRs ending as I did with MEs, kinda mixed and alot of things rubbed me the wrong way, still as ME3 thought most of it was pretty good. 

[Arisugawa]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Arisugawa wrote...

TDKR is garbage. The main villain isn't engaging, the situations unbelievable, and nothing in the story had any emotional resonance. I'd rather have ME3, with all its flaws, over TDKR.

When Bioware is ashes, you have my permission to die.

I'm quivering with terror.

Doesn't change the fact that TDKR isn't very good.

[RainbowDazed]

I thought DKR was an awesome movie and Nolan truly did an epic trilogy. DRK was a great end to that story arc and it truly did continue the story fleshed out by the first two movies.

I hope that the additional SP DLCs for ME3 do the same for Mass Effect trilogy. For instance, I'd love to see a DLC that explains how Shepard got to where she was at the beginning of ME3. Was there a trial?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Baa Baa wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

On the subject of things the dark knight rises did better than ME3. I feel that Bane is what Kai Leng should have been.

The first fight between Bane and Batman in the sewer system is how the fight on Thessia should have been, with Kai Leng utterly destroying Shepard.

This

Thank god I am not the only one who thinks this!

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Wow I enjoyed that film, one of the best I seen this year, the performances of the actors and actresses were awesome.

[Arisugawa]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Arisugawa wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Arisugawa wrote...

TDKR is garbage. The main villain isn't engaging, the situations unbelievable, and nothing in the story had any emotional resonance. I'd rather have ME3, with all its flaws, over TDKR.

When Bioware is ashes, you have my permission to die.

I'm quivering with terror.

It was a joke.

Yes, and so was I.

Still didn't like the film.

[zambot]

TDK was still my favorite of the series. Nolan and Ledger's vision of Joker was just so incredible. TDKR is very good though, and a worthy end of the series. Sure it has flaws, but it also has several moments of brilliance that make up for them. Take, for example, the whole treatment of Ras Al Ghul. It doesn't make sense in Nolan's universe for someone to be "immortal", but there was a Lazuras Pit, and Ras Al Ghul was "reborn", and it all made sense.