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[The Angry One]

TDKR sucked because there was no deadly bee weapon.

[Arisugawa]

Just my opinion, mind you, but I didn't see anything particularly brilliant about the film. Granted, I just stepped out of the theater 3 hours ago and am still digesting it, but I feel nothing but disappointment and apathy.

[Ender Ghost]

Is it wrong that I was expecting a joke about the shooting?

[clennon8]

TDKR didn't quite live up to TDK, but that was a tall order to begin with. I thought it was a pretty good movie overall. The ending wasn't brilliant, but it was very satisfying.

[Alanosborn1991]

Dark night rises was good because Batman failed at one point in taking out Bane, then he had to think about it, learn from it, watch things get worse and train to be better. Shepard fails taking out Kai leng but does it give Shepard more emotion, character development and insight into the war?

No, it is a forced failure that automatically gets solved from Samantha Traynor. Why should Shepard care about anything when Bioware doesn't give Shepard the chance to care?

[NoUserNameHere]

A better trilogy-ender than it is a stand alone movie. I did enjoy TDKR. Batman's arc came to a close in a far better manner than poor Shepard's, that's for sure.

[dirty console peasant]

Ender Ghost wrote...

Is it wrong that I was expecting a joke about the shooting?

too soon.
also check out my sig.

[dirty console peasant]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

"Bioware sucks because they ripped off Dues Ex's ending!"

"Hey Bioware, use the DKR ending!!!"

They already ripped off B5 for most of the rest of the trilogy, and they did not garner a lot of hate for that.  The problem with the ending was that it completely changed the nature of the enemy without any lead up or using an established character, also it changed the main conflict of the game.  TDKRs ending did neither of these,  if bioware were to have used a SIMILAR ending I think it would have worked better.  Also TDKR proves that a "hero lives" ending can be just as "artistic" and epic as a "hero dies" ending, actually IMO a "hero lives" ending would ALMOST always be better.  ME3 is one of the cases where it should be a possibliity, along with a "hero dies but accomplishes goal" and an ending where everyone is doomed because the hero completely and utterly failed, not because the hero refused to act.

[Daverid]

Dark Knight Rises was a brilliant film. Nolan is a bloody BOSS director/screenwriter/producer.

But TBH I'd probably compare INCEPTION to Mass Effect 3 more than TDKR (When referring to it's current state even with EC) .. However a Ending similar to TDKR where you see Shepard with his LI would have been fine ... But not in the context of the Current Ending, it would still be illogical as to how they got there and wtf happened.

Mac Walters wanted Speculation? Same goes for Nolan with Inception. There's TONS of Theories out there all over the internet about what the Ending of Inception TRULY meant.

ME3 was like Inception ... The story was complex, it had depth, it had logic and was grounded in reasoning (within its own 'worlds rules') ... The difference? Inception ended with Happiness, but there was still sacrifice for that Joy.

Cob's wife is still Dead... He still had to plant an idea in someone's mind which may or may not completely change their entire persona and life ... And there's the possibility that he still may not even be living in 'Reality' ... But HE is happy. HE is satisfied ... Reality doesn't even matter anymore, he just wants to be with his Kids and enjoy his life, and he can do that regardless of whether it's still a dream or not.

It was a happy Ending, with plenty of speculation to change how you view it and whether it 'Gains or Loses' sadness based of your perception.

THAT'S how you End something Artistic and Ambitious ... Mass Effect 3's Ending in comparison looks worse then ****e.

[twisty77]

OK, am I the only one who thinks that Bruce Wayne actually did die and that the Italy scene was Alfred's fantasy that he explained earlier in the film?

[TheDeadGodsDream]

It's amazing the hypocrisy of you ****ing people. The third act was just as poorly written if not worse than Mass Effect 3's.

idiots. This movie was a big dissapointment. And they cant' fix it with DLC.

[Ender Ghost]

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

Ender Ghost wrote...

Is it wrong that I was expecting a joke about the shooting?

too soon.
also check out my sig.

I guessed as much.

Oh and *Rannoch brofist*

[Torrible]

I don't know what movie you guys were watching. TDKR is massively disappointing. This comes from someone who thoroughly enjoyed the first 2 films. It's bloated. It's boring for more than half the movie. It's full of plotholes. Bane deserved a better ending. Miranda's reveal wasn't just predictable, it was unnecessary. At that point, it didn't matter if it was Bane or Talia who did you know what. I give the movie some credit for the acting and a decent finale but how the hell is this a good end to the Batman trilogy?

[Shaftell]

Torrible wrote...

I don't know what movie you guys were watching. TDKR is massively disappointing. This comes from someone who thoroughly enjoyed the first 2 films. It's bloated. It's boring for more than half the movie. It's full of plotholes. Bane deserved a better ending. Miranda's reveal wasn't just predictable, it was unnecessary. At that point, it didn't matter if it was Bane or Talia who did you know what. I give the movie some credit for the acting and a decent finale but how the hell is this a good end to the Batman trilogy?

I thought it was a terrific movie... It had issues with pacing and some underwhelming characters (Talia)... Tell me  about these plotholes you speak of?

[Arisugawa]

Shaftell wrote...

Torrible wrote...

I don't know what movie you guys were watching. TDKR is massively disappointing. This comes from someone who thoroughly enjoyed the first 2 films. It's bloated. It's boring for more than half the movie. It's full of plotholes. Bane deserved a better ending. Miranda's reveal wasn't just predictable, it was unnecessary. At that point, it didn't matter if it was Bane or Talia who did you know what. I give the movie some credit for the acting and a decent finale but how the hell is this a good end to the Batman trilogy?

I thought it was a terrific movie... It had issues with pacing and some underwhelming characters (Talia)... Tell me  about these plotholes you speak of?

While I don't have things I would call plotholes, I could give you a list of things I didn't like.

[Dusen]

Shaftell wrote...

Torrible wrote...

I don't know what movie you guys were watching. TDKR is massively disappointing. This comes from someone who thoroughly enjoyed the first 2 films. It's bloated. It's boring for more than half the movie. It's full of plotholes. Bane deserved a better ending. Miranda's reveal wasn't just predictable, it was unnecessary. At that point, it didn't matter if it was Bane or Talia who did you know what. I give the movie some credit for the acting and a decent finale but how the hell is this a good end to the Batman trilogy?

I thought it was a terrific movie... It had issues with pacing and some underwhelming characters (Talia)... Tell me  about these plotholes you speak of?

Yeah, I'd love to hear about these plotholes. . . and to make it clear, I don't think TDKR was an outstanding example of screenwriting, but it's ending was extremely satisfying and didn't leave more questions than it answered (unlike ME3). Although you are entitled to your opinion, to call the movie "massively disappointing" seems rather extreme and unfounded in my honest opinion.

EDIT: I have to agree that if Bioware was looking for an artistic way to end the series they should have looked at Inception. That being said though, I don't think very many people became interested in ME for the artistry, but more for it's ability to introduce oneself to an engrossing world full of strange creatures and fascinating locales. A game like that deserves satisfying endings based upon player-made choices, not the development team's idea of "art".

Modifié par Dusen, 22 juillet 2012 - 06:34 .

[free17]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Ok I just came back from watching the movie - and couldn't wait to post this - and this will be a pro-BioWare / Mass Effect 3 ending post - because:

The Dark Knight Rises is (in my opinion) EXACTLY like the Mass Effect 3 Destroy ending - which makes it so sweet.

They show Shepard breathing in the end - just like it was teased (before they actually show him) that Bruce Wayne might be alive.

It made me love the destroy ending of Mass Effect 3 even more - and I found the OP a bit ironic - to have BioWare take note - because from my perception - it is EXACTLY how they did it - and its awesome!

The two endings have similarities, but are actually very different.

Yes, they did both have a shift in villain toward the end (TDKR going from Bane to Miranda; ME3 going from the Reapers to the Catalyst). However, making Miranda Tate the main villain near the end of TDKR served to wrap up the trilogy nicely, calling back to Ra's al Ghul and the conflict in Batman Begins. Miranda wanting to avenge her father and finish his work made sense narratively.

On the other hand, the Catalyst showed up and made a conflict that had been very much on the periphery of the Mass Effect series (the organic/synthetic issue having really only been referenced withe Geth/Quarian war) and made it the central conflict of everything. If that was really the reason behind everything the Reapers were doing, why didn't Sovereign mention it at all in ME1 or Harbinger in ME2? The Catalyst creating an organic vs synthetic conflict did not make sense narratively.

The other issue is the Shepard breath scene. It is not exactly like TDKR's final Italy scene at all. The two would have been very similar if TDKR had cut off after the Lucius Fox autopilot scene, but it didn't, it explicitly showed Bruce with Selina in Italy smiling at Alfred in the cafe. If the high EMS Destroy ending had shown shepard on Ilium, Thessia, Rannoch, somewhere (but NOT Earth or the Citadel, he would be too easily recognized there) with his/her LI and perhaps a child as he acknowledges Anderson silently, it would have been much improved from the utterly ambiguous "breath scene."

[Kungfu Nando]

Shaftell wrote...

Torrible wrote...

I don't know what movie you guys were watching. TDKR is massively disappointing. This comes from someone who thoroughly enjoyed the first 2 films. It's bloated. It's boring for more than half the movie. It's full of plotholes. Bane deserved a better ending. Miranda's reveal wasn't just predictable, it was unnecessary. At that point, it didn't matter if it was Bane or Talia who did you know what. I give the movie some credit for the acting and a decent finale but how the hell is this a good end to the Batman trilogy?

I thought it was a terrific movie... It had issues with pacing and some underwhelming characters (Talia)... Tell me  about these plotholes you speak of?

The only ones that some people have mention/noticed is the bit at the end with Lucius and the Bat. The original was destroyed so have did he have another check? If there was more than one why didn't bane take them? Did bruce known there was more than one an fixed them all? Why did he sign it was bruce wayne that fixed it was he always gonna fake his death and quit?

The other being if bruce had renewed angry, fear and purpose why did he quit? it does go against batmans character, he never quits because he does't trust others to do it for him etc

Modifié par Kungfu Nando, 22 juillet 2012 - 07:28 .

[free17]

Ender Ghost wrote...

Is it wrong that I was expecting a joke about the shooting?

Yes. Yes it is, very wrong.

[Shaftell]

Kungfu Nando wrote...

Shaftell wrote...

Torrible wrote...

I don't know what movie you guys were watching. TDKR is massively disappointing. This comes from someone who thoroughly enjoyed the first 2 films. It's bloated. It's boring for more than half the movie. It's full of plotholes. Bane deserved a better ending. Miranda's reveal wasn't just predictable, it was unnecessary. At that point, it didn't matter if it was Bane or Talia who did you know what. I give the movie some credit for the acting and a decent finale but how the hell is this a good end to the Batman trilogy?

I thought it was a terrific movie... It had issues with pacing and some underwhelming characters (Talia)... Tell me  about these plotholes you speak of?

The only ones that some people have mention/noticed is the bit at the end with Lucius and the Bat. The original was destroyed so have did he have another check? If there was more than one why didn't bane take them? Did bruce known there was more than one an fixed them all? Why did he sign it was bruce wayne that fixed it was he always gonna fake his death and quit?

The other being if bruce had renewed angry, fear and purpose why did he quit? it does go against batmans character, he never quits because he does't trust others to do it for him etc

It could been in a hidden stash? It's a good question but not a plot hole. 2nd, his feelings of emotion is not a plothole.

[free17]

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Ok I'll admit it. I got all teary eyed at the end of Batman...