to be honest i didn't like TDKR or for that matter any of the Batman films under Nolan so i really wouldn't use TDKR as a benchmark to try and create a possible ending for ME3. ME3 is fine as it is accept the ending[s] for what they're presented as. Not every game or movie is going to have the super uber happy ending everyone wants.
Spoilers for Dark Knight Rises inside...This is how you end a hero's journey Bioware. Take note
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#202
Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 08:54
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iSpider-Man wrote...
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batman ending was similar to me3's ending; speculation for all...it did work for batman though because the end is fitting and though there is speculation we know what happens to batman.
I call it "the good kind of speculation" as opposed to ME3's
i disagree; both are bad. both promised end of the journey yet left it open for a return which is understandable seeing the money each property makes.
I call the Batman one good because while it effectively ended the story (but left it open for possible continuation) Bruce was able to walk away and possibly find peace. We can "speculate" on how the story can continue, what Bruce does next with his life, what Blake will do next.
That's "good speculation" You know how it ended, so you wonder what happens next. Bad speculation , ME3 specuilation, is wondering what just happened: how does it end?
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 08:55
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LinksOcarina wrote...
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6. it's a movie. if it makes people feel better Gordon could of put the transmitter blocker before Talia even started the monologue...but then it would just be boring
I'll keep that in mind when I play a game that offers choices and consequences, all of which are difficult decisions to make in the end, as per the decisions made previously for three games.
That kind of logic is circular, no?
Just meant the timing of events is often bought closer together to add some drama. its a common technique. In a lot of movies the bomb is diffused with 10 seconds left. They could just as easily do it with 10 minutes left in most cases...but why ruin a good opportunity for building up tension.
and ermmm i have no idea what your point is.
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 08:59
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Just saw the Batman movie and yah that is how you end a trilogy. Went in thinking it would be ok and left thinking that was great. With a setup for so much more if they wanted it.
ME3 I was the opposite from beginning to end(with EC)
ME3 I was the opposite from beginning to end(with EC)
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 09:08
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People who say Batman should have died are debbie downers and Nolan's conclusion provided true closure to the trilogy unlike mass effect.
Bioware is basically telling us to head canon the endings but Nolan gave us onscreen closure (no head Canon needed)
There is no speculation about what happened to Bruce (the Batcopter was on autopilot and Bruce was not in it when the bomb exploded)
It truly was a fitting end to the trilogy and for a great hero
to bad Shepard did not get the same treatment
to the downers
Killing the Bat are you guys crazy...You can't kill batman, God maybe becuase the Mass effect ending was so depressing that it turned these folks in jaded people (I feel sorry for you that you want every hero to die) sadness does not equal art
Bioware is basically telling us to head canon the endings but Nolan gave us onscreen closure (no head Canon needed)
There is no speculation about what happened to Bruce (the Batcopter was on autopilot and Bruce was not in it when the bomb exploded)
It truly was a fitting end to the trilogy and for a great hero
to bad Shepard did not get the same treatment
to the downers
Killing the Bat are you guys crazy...You can't kill batman, God maybe becuase the Mass effect ending was so depressing that it turned these folks in jaded people (I feel sorry for you that you want every hero to die) sadness does not equal art
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 09:16
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You are removing the Reapers free will, and in some cases possibly setting the galaxy up for a return to the cycle.TMA LIVE wrote...
clennon8 wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Correction: ME3 demonstrated that offering choices isn't enough if those choices aren't accepted.iakus wrote...
ME3 demonstrates how unhappy people can be when a game that suppoedly offers choice fails to provide that option.
There are choices in your ending. ME3 did not fail to provide that.
Technically correct. ME3 gave us our choice of war crimes to commit before dying.
How is Control a War Crime?
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 09:19
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detbasketball13 wrote...
Nolan's conclusion provided true closure
Subjective.
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 09:29
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Drake-Shepard wrote...
LinksOcarina wrote...
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6. it's a movie. if it makes people feel better Gordon could of put the transmitter blocker before Talia even started the monologue...but then it would just be boring
I'll keep that in mind when I play a game that offers choices and consequences, all of which are difficult decisions to make in the end, as per the decisions made previously for three games.
That kind of logic is circular, no?
Just meant the timing of events is often bought closer together to add some drama. its a common technique. In a lot of movies the bomb is diffused with 10 seconds left. They could just as easily do it with 10 minutes left in most cases...but why ruin a good opportunity for building up tension.
and ermmm i have no idea what your point is.
My point, is that Mass Effect 3 is just a game. And it played beautifly if you ask me.
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 09:35
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detbasketball13 wrote...
People who say Batman should have died are debbie downers and Nolan's conclusion provided true closure to the trilogy unlike mass effect.
Bioware is basically telling us to head canon the endings but Nolan gave us onscreen closure (no head Canon needed)
There is no speculation about what happened to Bruce (the Batcopter was on autopilot and Bruce was not in it when the bomb exploded)
It truly was a fitting end to the trilogy and for a great hero
to bad Shepard did not get the same treatment
to the downers
Killing the Bat are you guys crazy...You can't kill batman, God maybe becuase the Mass effect ending was so depressing that it turned these folks in jaded people (I feel sorry for you that you want every hero to die) sadness does not equal art
I don't want every hero to die. But I do want people to stop clinging to heroes as being immortal. Saddness does not equal art, no, but poignancy of the message does.
In the case of Nolan he did it right. I just didn't like the message because it was telegraphed twenty minutes in. It would have been more ballsy to keep it more ambiguous, but hey, overall I was at least entertained.
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 09:42
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Shepard Cmdr wrote...
You are removing the Reapers free willTMA LIVE wrote...
clennon8 wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Correction: ME3 demonstrated that offering choices isn't enough if those choices aren't accepted.iakus wrote...
ME3 demonstrates how unhappy people can be when a game that suppoedly offers choice fails to provide that option.
There are choices in your ending. ME3 did not fail to provide that.
Technically correct. ME3 gave us our choice of war crimes to commit before dying.
How is Control a War Crime?
Yeah, you can do that to the Geth, and turn them all on your side against their will in ME2. Legion even forces them all to upgrade because that's what he wants in ME3.
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 09:48
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If you are a batman fan you would have probably know who was the true villain half way in the movie.
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 10:11
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I can also show you most of the plot of TDK with two links.
one link to the comic page on wiki.
http://en.wikipedia....he_Killing_Joke
other Joker's monologue from the comic.
one link to the comic page on wiki.
http://en.wikipedia....he_Killing_Joke
other Joker's monologue from the comic.
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 10:24
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Just got back from seeing the movie a second time 
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 10:35
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My point, is that Mass Effect 3 is just a game. And it played beautifly if you ask me.
TDKR is just a movie. Dune is just a book. That doesn't stop them from doing things right.
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 10:45
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You know, I like the EC and all, but that was one thought I had after this movie. Nolan did two things VERY EFFECTIVELY that Bioware attempted (or should have attempted) to do:
1. Sympathetic villain.
Bane is an evil mofo, and he deserved to die, but when his backstory is fully related, and you realize how he came to be what he came to be, he's humanized for just a moment.
2. The LI reunion we all wanted.
Bioware said they didn't think they could meet the expectations/didn't want to shoe-horn in their own ending, but this is done perfectly in TDKR. You just get a quick glimpse of Bruce and Selina, and you know all you need to know. Bruce is alive, Selina got her fresh start, and they're together. The other stuff, who knows? But they're together, and that's the exact happy ending I would have liked from ME3.
Not that I'm trashing ME3, I'm more just in awe at how perfectly Nolan ended the series.
1. Sympathetic villain.
Bane is an evil mofo, and he deserved to die, but when his backstory is fully related, and you realize how he came to be what he came to be, he's humanized for just a moment.
2. The LI reunion we all wanted.
Bioware said they didn't think they could meet the expectations/didn't want to shoe-horn in their own ending, but this is done perfectly in TDKR. You just get a quick glimpse of Bruce and Selina, and you know all you need to know. Bruce is alive, Selina got her fresh start, and they're together. The other stuff, who knows? But they're together, and that's the exact happy ending I would have liked from ME3.
Not that I'm trashing ME3, I'm more just in awe at how perfectly Nolan ended the series.
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 11:05
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But that's not how Dark Knight Rises ends. Bruce Wayne does not even tell his friends he's alive. And the criminal would probably be Shepard kicking back with Aria, and not his LI. As a matter fact, it's your LI or buddy discovering your alive, eating dinner with Aria.
You're reading way more into the Bruce/Alfred relationship than I am:lol:
Well, those guys have been living together alone in a mansion for what, 12 years total since Batman Begins? Neither have moved on or dated. Something's up.
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 11:06
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Eain wrote...
LinksOcarina wrote...
My point, is that Mass Effect 3 is just a game. And it played beautifly if you ask me.
TDKR is just a movie. Dune is just a book. That doesn't stop them from doing things right.
Dune was never done right for starters.
We like things as fans because of a ton of different reasons, be it characters, overall plot, the world, and so forth. We hate it when we realize that we don't own that world as we once thought we did.
That's why it's just a game. They did do it right in their eyes, people just don't like being wrong about what they thought would happen.
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Only *somewhat* agreed with you there (in reponse to previous poster a page ago).
1. Bruce Wayne randomly sleeps with a mildly attractive woman he just met and turns over his entire company to her and gives her control of a nuclear reactor that he never trusted to anyone, not even fully to himself. Oh and she has a freaky scar branded on her back, but Bruce don't care. She must be trustworthy because she paid for all the food at the charity gala herself.
Partial agreement...however:
-She was already a Wayne board member, and they were somewhat familiar with each other (remember that several years have passed).
-He gives her control because HE cannot be given control of many things, as the more he is known to be in control of things, the more attention may be brought to him, and the closer things get to exposure of the Two-Face scenario that still haunts everyone.
-Freaky scar... who knows? I may agree with you there.
-The big point is that in the Nolanverse, she did NOT come out of nowhere. She has spent some time getting to Wayne Enterprises and worming her way into people's graces, and just finally has reached Bruce. The downside to me is that the actress simply... isn't a great Talia. She's not convincing enough, and it makes everything suffer.
2. Despite being a cripple with serious medical problems, not limited to non-existent knee cartilage, Bruce Wayne is suddenly able to walk perfectly, rappel down a building to Gordon, and within days even fight hordes of villains. All due to his magic leg braces.
Partial agreement.
I think we can 'comic book wave' this away as him using advanced tech + huge strength of will.
3. Later Bane breaks Wayne's spine and without any real medical attention Wayne recovers fully and is able to walk again and climb/jump like a monkey within a few short weeks to months. All due to push-ups and a guy punching his vertebrae back in place.
-This is where the whole 'its Batman' thing comes in, and comic book logic goes fully into place. "Anyone can be Batman", but not everyone. This is a situation unique only to him, and its pretty agreed by now that anything Batman suffers from, he WILL bounce back from, and without requiring specific superpowers like Superman or the Marvel mutants, etc.
4. Bane has to go Bond villain and puts Bruce in an easily escapable situation, a pit that he has even seen a child escape from. He could have paid a few armed guards to stand at the top of the pit to kill anyone who actually makes it, but no. The laughably bad excuse of "your punishment must be more severe" is given.
The child was very, very, very special to him, and to the situation. The fact that Talia was the only one to make it out was a SPECIAL case and it made him essentially revere her for many years afterward. The fact that Batman made it out, in itself, is immediately a crushing blow to Bane and it is shown in their fight when Batman returns to Gotham. The pit is the Lazurus Pit of the Nolanverse and carries a semi-mysticism with it, instead of the full on magic of the comics.
Essentially, Bane sent him to suffer in a pit that he thought no one but someone born in the pit would escape from. It's his 'religion'. The pit is his hell. It's also not his literal birthplace, but likely where he was 'reborn' as Bane and 'saved' by Talia when she returned to rescue him. It all goes full circle and Bane placing Batman there (as the killer of Ras Al Ghul) has a very special place in his whole worldview. He shared that worldview with many of the downtrodden he met, establishing what would potentially become his own, even darker, League of Shadows in time. (but as far as we know, Batman stopped that)
Putting guards at the top would have defeated the whole purpose in his mind. It's like the Reapers believing its even possible that organics and synthetics can co-exist, or that indoctrination can be truly fought against (WINK WINK).
5. Batman shows up to save Gordon and Robin at the exact moment they are both about to be executed and saves them. Of course this was after he spent hours putting up his flamin' bats all around the city bridges. He must have tracking devices on all his cop buddies so that he can save their butts in the nick of time.
I agree. The flaming batsignals have a purpose though (letting the city know that THIS is the day to resist Bane in all out battle), whereas him saving Gordon and Robin is more incidental (especially Robin). We have to follow Batman-logic on this one.
6. As a nuclear bomb is about to go off, everyone stands around and listens to Talia's boring monologue. So boring apparently she even makes herself fall asleep listening to herself talk. And then Selina and Batman decide to make out for a few minutes while the bomb continues to tick.
HUGE agreement on both counts. Ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as the EC goodbye scene in front of Harbinger (unless IT is proven to be correct), but even then, it would be a stupid choice to ever ever ever allow the Normandy to come close to that location. And everyone decided this wasn't a 'turn back' kind of scenario anyway... why are people retreating?
7. A fusion bomb goes off within sight range of the city and no one is affected or dies. Not even Bruce Wayne. Apparently in Nolan's "gritty, realistic" universe 6 mile radius neutron bombs detonating over the ocean don't leave radiation or cause tsunamis, and helicopters can travel at the speed of sound.
I agree. Very stupid. If a 4th movie comes and this stuff is handwaved, I'll start seeing some serious flaws in Nolan's writing for the possibly first time ever.
8. Robin figures out that Bruce Wayne is Batman because Bruce Wayne is an angry orphan just like him. THAT'S HOW HE FIGURED IT OUT?! Just ignore that Bruce Wayne is the only person who could afford Batman's vehicles and gadgets, he has an axe to grind against criminals of Gotham, he is constantly mysteriously disappearing, and even strongly supported Harvey Dent. He must be Batman because he has an angry orphan face.
Disagree. It's more like Robin has suspicions like everyone else might (there are several reasons why Bruce was in hiding...), but it was the common-ish origins that allowed Robin to be all but sure that Bruce Wayne was batman.
I'm sure we can headcanon that in the Nolanverse, there are conspiracy websites that are sure that Bruce Wayne is Batman, but there is no undeniable proof yet. All Robin has is a more personal conviction and a near (to me, at least) obsession with bringing Batman back to the field.
The 'angry orphan face' is more his assurance that there is more to Bruce Wayne than meets the eye, and that they share common ideals for Gotham, as well as hide their own secrets. (Robin's secret is that while he's on the police force and actively supporting them - in his personal space of his mind, he actually strongly wishes to wreck revenge on anyone who has/would harm him as a child or any other person like him (orphans). He lies between order/sanity and chaos/insanity just as Bruce Wayne is sometimes described to be in the comics.)
1. Bruce Wayne randomly sleeps with a mildly attractive woman he just met and turns over his entire company to her and gives her control of a nuclear reactor that he never trusted to anyone, not even fully to himself. Oh and she has a freaky scar branded on her back, but Bruce don't care. She must be trustworthy because she paid for all the food at the charity gala herself.
Partial agreement...however:
-She was already a Wayne board member, and they were somewhat familiar with each other (remember that several years have passed).
-He gives her control because HE cannot be given control of many things, as the more he is known to be in control of things, the more attention may be brought to him, and the closer things get to exposure of the Two-Face scenario that still haunts everyone.
-Freaky scar... who knows? I may agree with you there.
-The big point is that in the Nolanverse, she did NOT come out of nowhere. She has spent some time getting to Wayne Enterprises and worming her way into people's graces, and just finally has reached Bruce. The downside to me is that the actress simply... isn't a great Talia. She's not convincing enough, and it makes everything suffer.
2. Despite being a cripple with serious medical problems, not limited to non-existent knee cartilage, Bruce Wayne is suddenly able to walk perfectly, rappel down a building to Gordon, and within days even fight hordes of villains. All due to his magic leg braces.
Partial agreement.
I think we can 'comic book wave' this away as him using advanced tech + huge strength of will.
3. Later Bane breaks Wayne's spine and without any real medical attention Wayne recovers fully and is able to walk again and climb/jump like a monkey within a few short weeks to months. All due to push-ups and a guy punching his vertebrae back in place.
-This is where the whole 'its Batman' thing comes in, and comic book logic goes fully into place. "Anyone can be Batman", but not everyone. This is a situation unique only to him, and its pretty agreed by now that anything Batman suffers from, he WILL bounce back from, and without requiring specific superpowers like Superman or the Marvel mutants, etc.
4. Bane has to go Bond villain and puts Bruce in an easily escapable situation, a pit that he has even seen a child escape from. He could have paid a few armed guards to stand at the top of the pit to kill anyone who actually makes it, but no. The laughably bad excuse of "your punishment must be more severe" is given.
The child was very, very, very special to him, and to the situation. The fact that Talia was the only one to make it out was a SPECIAL case and it made him essentially revere her for many years afterward. The fact that Batman made it out, in itself, is immediately a crushing blow to Bane and it is shown in their fight when Batman returns to Gotham. The pit is the Lazurus Pit of the Nolanverse and carries a semi-mysticism with it, instead of the full on magic of the comics.
Essentially, Bane sent him to suffer in a pit that he thought no one but someone born in the pit would escape from. It's his 'religion'. The pit is his hell. It's also not his literal birthplace, but likely where he was 'reborn' as Bane and 'saved' by Talia when she returned to rescue him. It all goes full circle and Bane placing Batman there (as the killer of Ras Al Ghul) has a very special place in his whole worldview. He shared that worldview with many of the downtrodden he met, establishing what would potentially become his own, even darker, League of Shadows in time. (but as far as we know, Batman stopped that)
Putting guards at the top would have defeated the whole purpose in his mind. It's like the Reapers believing its even possible that organics and synthetics can co-exist, or that indoctrination can be truly fought against (WINK WINK).
5. Batman shows up to save Gordon and Robin at the exact moment they are both about to be executed and saves them. Of course this was after he spent hours putting up his flamin' bats all around the city bridges. He must have tracking devices on all his cop buddies so that he can save their butts in the nick of time.
I agree. The flaming batsignals have a purpose though (letting the city know that THIS is the day to resist Bane in all out battle), whereas him saving Gordon and Robin is more incidental (especially Robin). We have to follow Batman-logic on this one.
6. As a nuclear bomb is about to go off, everyone stands around and listens to Talia's boring monologue. So boring apparently she even makes herself fall asleep listening to herself talk. And then Selina and Batman decide to make out for a few minutes while the bomb continues to tick.
HUGE agreement on both counts. Ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as the EC goodbye scene in front of Harbinger (unless IT is proven to be correct), but even then, it would be a stupid choice to ever ever ever allow the Normandy to come close to that location. And everyone decided this wasn't a 'turn back' kind of scenario anyway... why are people retreating?
7. A fusion bomb goes off within sight range of the city and no one is affected or dies. Not even Bruce Wayne. Apparently in Nolan's "gritty, realistic" universe 6 mile radius neutron bombs detonating over the ocean don't leave radiation or cause tsunamis, and helicopters can travel at the speed of sound.
I agree. Very stupid. If a 4th movie comes and this stuff is handwaved, I'll start seeing some serious flaws in Nolan's writing for the possibly first time ever.
8. Robin figures out that Bruce Wayne is Batman because Bruce Wayne is an angry orphan just like him. THAT'S HOW HE FIGURED IT OUT?! Just ignore that Bruce Wayne is the only person who could afford Batman's vehicles and gadgets, he has an axe to grind against criminals of Gotham, he is constantly mysteriously disappearing, and even strongly supported Harvey Dent. He must be Batman because he has an angry orphan face.
Disagree. It's more like Robin has suspicions like everyone else might (there are several reasons why Bruce was in hiding...), but it was the common-ish origins that allowed Robin to be all but sure that Bruce Wayne was batman.
I'm sure we can headcanon that in the Nolanverse, there are conspiracy websites that are sure that Bruce Wayne is Batman, but there is no undeniable proof yet. All Robin has is a more personal conviction and a near (to me, at least) obsession with bringing Batman back to the field.
The 'angry orphan face' is more his assurance that there is more to Bruce Wayne than meets the eye, and that they share common ideals for Gotham, as well as hide their own secrets. (Robin's secret is that while he's on the police force and actively supporting them - in his personal space of his mind, he actually strongly wishes to wreck revenge on anyone who has/would harm him as a child or any other person like him (orphans). He lies between order/sanity and chaos/insanity just as Bruce Wayne is sometimes described to be in the comics.)
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Posté 22 juillet 2012 - 11:17
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^^ the mark on Talia's back is the branding that Bruce was about to get at the league of shadows but he rebelled just before. had he not, he would of recognised the mark on Talia
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Posté 23 juillet 2012 - 02:12
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Dark Knight Rising was meh (can't top the Joker).
Avengers was the bomb.
"We may not save the Earth. But you can be damn sure we'll avenge it."
Now that's how you respond when something threatens everything you love dear and that's how you use the badasses you've assembled to fight off the threat.
Just listen to the Avengers theme, think about that line, and tell me I'm wrong.
Now you may call Hollywood shallow and all about the money, but if ME3 is art, **** art. I'll take "all about the money" every time.
Avengers was the bomb.
"We may not save the Earth. But you can be damn sure we'll avenge it."
Now that's how you respond when something threatens everything you love dear and that's how you use the badasses you've assembled to fight off the threat.
Just listen to the Avengers theme, think about that line, and tell me I'm wrong.
Now you may call Hollywood shallow and all about the money, but if ME3 is art, **** art. I'll take "all about the money" every time.
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Dark Knight Rising was meh (can't top the Joker).
Avengers was the bomb.
"We may not save the Earth. But you can be damn sure we'll avenge it."
Now that's how you respond when something threatens everything you love dear and that's how you use the badasses you've assembled to fight off the threat.
Just listen to the Avengers theme, think about that line, and tell me I'm wrong.
Now you may call Hollywood shallow and all about the money, but if ME3 is art, **** art. I'll take "all about the money" every time.
I call the guys doing Avengers and Batman professionals and smart. Keep it open just in case. $$$ $$$ $$$ $$$ can still have good story telling and if you want you can still have the $$$ $$$ $$$. Video game writers understand this concept not too well. Might have killed all the avengers if they wrote a script and have holywood asking why would you do this? They would say art, hollywood replies "You're fired" hires someone else.
People can b*** all they want but if I am writing a film of these kind of magnitudes then I damn sure would have a good REASON to kill off main characters. I'll take $$$ over forced raped sacrifice for the sake of doing it anyday. And while making the money its still by some called art.
Smart vs Stupid IMO.
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Posté 23 juillet 2012 - 04:45
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CrutchCricket wrote...
Dark Knight Rising was meh (can't top the Joker).
Avengers was the bomb.
"We may not save the Earth. But you can be damn sure we'll avenge it."
Now that's how you respond when something threatens everything you love dear and that's how you use the badasses you've assembled to fight off the threat.
Just listen to the Avengers theme, think about that line, and tell me I'm wrong.
Now you may call Hollywood shallow and all about the money, but if ME3 is art, **** art. I'll take "all about the money" every time.
I must admit that the Normandy crew going out for shawarma would also have been a better ending than what we got in ME3 as well...
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Posté 23 juillet 2012 - 01:40
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On the ride back from the theater, I was thinking the same thing OP. That is how you give satisfying closure.
I do hope we can all agree Hans Zimmer did an incredible job with the soundtrack.
This is my favorite one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydR5SCDtt9k&feature=relmfu
I do hope we can all agree Hans Zimmer did an incredible job with the soundtrack.
This is my favorite one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydR5SCDtt9k&feature=relmfu
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Posté 23 juillet 2012 - 01:49
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SRobson wrote...
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Well, technically, Bruce Wayne did die. He now lives under another alias in Italy.SRobson wrote...
Personally, I thought the ending of Dark Knight Rises was terrible. He should have died =/
I mean DIE die. Actually die. I'm one of those people who is quite fond of endings where the 'hero' dies.
Why? Not being snarky, I truly wonder. I hear it said all the time that it's cheesy for heroes to live and all, but this is entertainment and it's meant to be entertaining and "fun". I don't see death as fun. It can be done well and more does fit darker tales, but in stories or games where nothing is taken that seriously, why should a hero have to die gratuitously? I really want someone to explain and not just say that it's poignant or artistic or some such, which it isn't. It's a dead body for no reason. And it's not uplifting. Movies with dead heroes do not often become blockbusters because people don't like them and will see them maybe once, feel bad about it and not go see them again. Not a winning strategy for a business that makes a movie or a game.
