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[Vansen Elamber]

The thing about this all is the fact that many of us probably took the option of not killing Flemeth and letting Morrigan think she is dead. So Morrigan is going to still have to deal with her Mother at some point, and that is a confrontation I want to see.

[FireDragon076]

It really doesn't matter the choices you make, all role-playing sequels assume a "true" ending and solutions for quests. Whatever sequels come next, they will have a pre-determined story of what "really" happened. Role-play this one however you like, but the future game will have a pre-determined story line. (they all do, they all will)

[Sartheris]

I dont care what exactly are the plans, I just want to see them !!! (meaning Dragon Age 2)

[Sartheris]

imported_beer wrote...

Alistair is mostly shooting tainted blanks. My guess is Morrigan's kid is the heir to Ferelden's throne.

And if he has magical ability- OH NOEZ!

And you wonder if the baby will have magical abilities? With and Old God lying inside it? Yeah, hard question to answer

[Estelindis]

kevinwastaken wrote...
She's one step away from being a vegan hippie selling hemp purses on the streets of Portland, doubt she's going to eat a helpless creature.

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Has your character met Morrigan?  She recommends the murder of elven slaves in order to net Constitution bonus.  What on earth has given you the impression she wouldn't sacrifice any creature if it helped her goals?

[Fleshsucker]

Cant help getting the feeling the next game will be like the knights of old...Morrigan(Morgan lefay) King Alister ( King Aurther) And you being the baby (Mordread)

[Sabriana]

I didn't hear her recommend the elven sacrifice for constitution per se, all she said was "messy, but could be beneficial'. In my point of view, she just comments on the ritual, and parleys her knowledge of it. She's in no way put out when my PC refuses. I'm quite sure she wouldn't be put out if my PC accepted, but that's more of a neutral stance in my opinion.

I like Morrigan, the way I see it, she grows a lot during the travels. It always pains me that she takes off before the final battle, but then again, she's not GW.

No, I never let her do the ritual, not with Loghain and not with Alistair. My PC had quite enough of demons, abominations, taints, and old gods, thank you very much.

Now, a mage revolt with Morrigan and her kid would be awesome, involving chantry, templars, Tevinter, maybe even the Black City. However, it would negate the ending for those of us who refused the dark ritual.

Just as a btw., I did play the part where I convince Loghain to father the child. I reloaded of course, but his reaction cracked me up. Maybe that kind of reaction would be more pleasing for the Alistair crowd as well. Nothing romantic or sexy going on there

[nksaint]

She is capable of love though. If you do her romance and choose not to end it and follow those choice options in the "Have my baby so I can have an Old God" conversation she leaves, but has some remorse to her.



I think it is interesting. It is fathomable she uses the baby to take a position of importance in the Orlais empire and the sequel is Orlais, under Morrigan versus Ferelden under the Wardens.



Who knows? Canon endings are tough with Bioware games.

[mopotter]

FireDragon076 wrote...

Well with all this talk of the sequel, I'll throw out my opinion.

The baby seems like it is going to be a key part in the story line and my guess it will not be good.  Baby could grow up to be a real threat to Fereldan.  Either wanting to take revenge on his father (assuming Alistair) or maybe something more dire.  Lets assume Morrigan gets the idea of possessing the body of the child to become immortal or binding the spirit of the child to her own body (she mentions this is possible in talks with Wynne and staying young and beautiful forever).

She would get the know how through Flemeths grimoires that we got for her or we could see Flemeth return to try and take the child.  Morrigan could return as a villaness and Alistair regret deeply of making the choice to spare his own life to rule on the throne.  Maybe the final battle we get to see Alistair cut off Morrigans head and Alistar as an "end" character.

Either way I think its pretty obvious Morrigan will play a part in the sequel, and I can't see Morrigan playing tender "mommy" to the child of an "old god".  No good will come of this.

My husband has said he thinks Morrigan will take over the childs body too.  He doesn't like her. 

I can see where the child would cause a problem with Alistair, i'm not sure about revenge but if Alistair is king the child now grown, might make a play for the throne or resent  father not looking for him/her.

I made Morrigan my friend (as a woman) and she loved my male (though had a really hard time with that) so I could also see her raising the child to do some good.  Being a better person, for having known friendship and love, than Flemeth and maybe the child will grow up to be the next hero/heroine.

will be interesting to see.

[Curlain]

Fleshsucker wrote...

Cant help getting the feeling the next game will be like the knights of old...Morrigan(Morgan lefay) King Alister ( King Aurther) And you being the baby (Mordread)

I really hope we don't end up playing Mordred, I really never could stand that whinny, slimy git, no matter what version of the legend I read (always loved it when Arthur killed him at Camlan, to bad Arthur got mortally wounded in the process and had to be taken off to Avalon).

[Rhinna]

I am wondering if allowing Flemeth to live will have an impact on the sequel?

I like Morrigan - although I'm not sure I trust her, even with that sappy for her "heartfelt" outpouring of Morrigan-love just prior to the battle.

Each time I talk to Flemeth in subsequent playthroughs, I discover more (or I think I do) about her. I don't think she's an abomination - I don't know if she's an Old God - (that might explain her toying with the templars LOL) Is she a benevolent spirit from the Fade? I don't know...I don't understand why she would go to such lengths to protect the Grey Wardens and their legacy -

I'm not sure Flemeth would put all her thoughts down in her grimoires - both of them. For her to survive as she did, for the time she did, she would not be that stupid. If you fight her, she turns into a dragon - is she *really* an Old God? I don't think so, because they are all imprisoned underneath the earth by the Maker - so...what are our other options?

The more I think about it, the more Flemeth being one of the Grey Warden Blood Mages makes sense. Arvanus survived - why couldn't Flemeth? That would explain her preserving the Grey Warden treaties, even after their seals broke through time, and would also explain why she saved your PC and Alastair at the tower - because they were the only two Grey Wardens left in Ferelden that could stop the blight. Starting tales and legends about the "Witches of the Wild" keeps her away from prying eyes. I'm not really sure that Morrigan has it right when she says Flemeth needs her body as a host - again, I think Flemeth has her reasons...Why would she send Morrigan out to aid the Grey Wardens, when she knew that there was a good chance she might not return? Doesn't add up...

I think Morrigan has her OWN reasons for wanting to perform the ritual - I have a feeling they are more self-serving than for the good of mankind.

Would be nice to see how it all plays out in the sequel :-)

Modifié par Rhinna, 29 décembre 2009 - 02:44 .

[Estelindis]

Sabriana wrote...

I didn't hear her recommend the elven sacrifice for constitution per se, all she said was "messy, but could be beneficial'. In my point of view, she just comments on the ritual, and parleys her knowledge of it. She's in no way put out when my PC refuses. I'm quite sure she wouldn't be put out if my PC accepted, but that's more of a neutral stance in my opinion.

Actually, Morrigan disapproves if you refuse the sacrifice.  (And, as I just discovered when I checked in the toolset, she approves when if agree to it.  I've never taken that path, so I had to be sure!)  It's a medium plus or minus, which I believe equates to five points.  Hardly neutral, is it?  I don't mean to carp on (sorry if it comes across otherwise), but that one event was crucial to my reading of her character, and made it very difficult for me to take what she said about the endgame ritual at face value.

Modifié par Estelindis, 29 décembre 2009 - 02:46 .

[Obadiah]

Rhinna wrote...
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I think Morrigan has her OWN reasons for wanting to perform the ritual - I have a feeling they are more self-serving than for the good of mankind.
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This is my feeling as well. I think if Morrigan shows up in a sequel it will be as a side character, and not part of the main plot. She just seemed too wrapped up in her ideas of personnal power (and pretty baubles) to care about making a change in the wider world.

Allowing Morrigan to turn her body into a receptacle for a Old God child (or abomination) seemed tantamount to putting her on a path to further self-destruction.

[Obadiah]

Estelindis wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

I didn't hear her recommend the elven sacrifice for constitution per se, all she said was "messy, but could be beneficial'. In my point of view, she just comments on the ritual, and parleys her knowledge of it. She's in no way put out when my PC refuses. I'm quite sure she wouldn't be put out if my PC accepted, but that's more of a neutral stance in my opinion.

Actually, Morrigan disapproves if you refuse the sacrifice.  (And, as I just discovered when I checked in the toolset, she approves when if agree to it.  I've never taken that path, so I had to be sure!)  It's a medium plus or minus, which I believe equates to five points.  Hardly neutral, is it?  I don't mean to carp on (sorry if it comes across otherwise), but that one event was crucial to my reading of her character, and made it very difficult for me to take what she said about the endgame ritual at face value.

Morrigan also gives a plus 6 (or 7?) approval in Honnleath if you let the demon possess the father and escape the mage's study with the little girl. That is not cool.

Modifié par Obadiah, 29 décembre 2009 - 03:45 .

[Wompoo]

Will Morrigan use the child like her mother, I don't think so. Morrigan seems all corrosive on top, but I think there is more to her character then DAO releases. One thing that puzzled me was the guardian spirit of the sacred ashes respecting her wishes? Why would he respect anything about her, unless there is more to Morrigan then has been revealed or then she has revealed. She also has a dislike for what her mother is, so why on earth would she want to be like her. Give me a... so says the wise Alundo Throne of Bhaal ending anytime, go get emm (old) god child.

[Thor Rand Al]

"This child will represent freedom for an ancient power, a chance to be reborn from the taint".



What that ancient power is is another thing intirely



I don't think Morrigan is gonna take the child into herself, it deeply disturbes her when she finds out about Flemeth. I see Morrigan as maybe having a crisis with how n what to do with the baby as far as raising it, depending on your relationship with her n who actually fathers the baby. Morrigan doesn't understand what love is n for the first time in her life she encounters it if you went that far with her. Do you really think Flemeth loved Morrigan, do you ever think she showed her what love is. No, look at what Flemeth did to a mirror that Morrigan had. Look how cold n heartless Morrigan is in her conversation about what she thinks love it.. It's a weakness. Cause the only real story she has about love is whatever Flemeth told her n Maker only knows what Flemeth has told her... I have a feeling that depending on your outcome at the end with Morrigan if the PC did father the child n u guys did stay in love that might have a big outcome on how Morrigan raises this child...



PC: I love you, Morrigan.

Morrigan: And so you... make it difficult for me, do you?

Morrigan: This could have been so much easier. I allowed myself... I should have known better. yet I cannot bring myself to regret.

She sounds like she's almost on the verge of losing it if you choose to say that.





If those where the last words that you said to Morrigan n you left her at the gates n she's carrying your child... Think of the impact those three words could have on her as this baby's growing... Everytime she looks at this child she will remember those words n the impact you had on her n for the first time in her life she got to experience love, n depending on how you dealt with your guy's relationship... I think that as far as raising this baby that will have a major impact on this childs future. Love has a way of changing a person n then having a baby with the 1 that you love has a bigger impact...

I know it sounds like I'm defending Morrigan, maybe I am.





I can't wait to see what Bioware has instore for Morrigan, baby n the PC... It will be interesting.