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[RavenEyry]

syropbananowy wrote...

Than talk about the game. In other threads. Jeez, it's not like IT is taking too much space on BSN. No one is forcing you into talking about it.

Well there are people who bring it up in threads were it isn't needed. That can get annoying.

[sydranark]

shepdog77 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Anyone who thinks IT is real at this point are in serious denial.

Than you accept bad writing...

Bad writing is an opinion, not fact.  IT is just false, though.

Flawed writing, however, is a fact. There is an art to story-telling. This ending with lots of plot holes and other garbage make the ending deviate from proper story-telling, and make it flawed. 

In my opinion, something flawed is something bad. 

[CoolioThane]

IsaacShep wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Who's to say it won't?

Bioware when they said there won't be anymore ending DLCs, logic, financial perspective, common sense etc

The same Bioware who said they wouldn't change the endings or add new ones with the EC?

The same Bioware who went from saying "no post ending DLC" to "no comment"? 

Logic...indoctrinating the player and Shepard...that makes sense.

Finance...they'd gain shedloads from an IT DLC...

[estebanus]

ShepnTali wrote...

Most of the topics here are dalls beep in head canon and what ifs.

Yeah.

[RR1107]

shepdog77 wrote...

Because IT'ers are the bane of BSN.  I like to talk about the game, not people's head canon.

Then why did you create a topic to talk about the Indoctrination Theory?

Obvious Troll is....Obvious.

[estebanus]

Also, reported for insulting a large group of the fanbase.

Ironic, isn't it?

[Jadebaby]

after 6 pages and it seems potatoes beats yes. I think that pretty much sums up how people feel. It's as valid interpretation as any. and until BioWare confirms one way or the other, it should stay as it pertains strongly to the Story and Campaign discussion. While some might believe the EC disproves it, others don't.

I might not believe in it as strongly as I once did, but who am I to say that they are wrong?

[RavenEyry]

shepdog77 wrote...
So you're agreeing that it's head canon, which would fall under the description of FAN CREATION?  Case and point.

Any description of what would happen after the game content would be headcanon, discussing the clues placed in game by Bioware is not headcanon.

[Jadebaby]

CoolioThane wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Who's to say it won't?

Bioware when they said there won't be anymore ending DLCs, logic, financial perspective, common sense etc

The same Bioware who said they wouldn't change the endings or add new ones with the EC?

The same Bioware who went from saying "no post ending DLC" to "no comment"? 

Logic...indoctrinating the player and Shepard...that makes sense.

Finance...they'd gain shedloads from an IT DLC...

Agreed.

[Ansible]

FellishBeast wrote...

In case this isn't a troll, interpretations are not fan creations.

Also, I don't get why people who don't like IT get so butthurt about IT being around. Just ignore it and move on. That's what we do to you.

In all fairness, I've seen planty of ITers who don't just "ignore and move on"

Some get a little... There horse is a bit too high.

Now, I agree with the rest of your post however.

Also, I would like it to be noted that while I don't strongly believe in IT I still stop by the thread all the time and look at any new ideas.

So I am familiar with you, and I do not consider you to be one of the previous ITers I mentioned. Plenty of you have a respectable nature here on the forum, but to say that you simply "ignore and move on" is unfair to both sides.

No one on either side does this. There are always plenty of people who fight, and look down on other people, sometimes even degrade, for not believing in there point of view.

To bring it full circle, this is exactly what the OP is doing.

[CoolioThane]

Are you used to getting everything your own way, Shepdog?

When someone disagrees with you do you get upset and throw a hissy? (No need to answer that, we all know that's true)

[shepdog77]

RavenEyry wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...
So you're agreeing that it's head canon, which would fall under the description of FAN CREATION?  Case and point.

Any description of what would happen after the game content would be headcanon, discussing the clues placed in game by Bioware is not headcanon.

You say "clues", I say grasping for straws that aren't even there.  But I digress, I don't think the thread should be locked, just moved to it's appropriate board of discussion.

[syropbananowy]

shepdog77 wrote...

syropbananowy wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

syropbananowy wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Anyone who thinks IT is real at this point are in serious denial.

Than you accept bad writing...

Bad writing is an opinion, not fact.  IT is just false, though.

I really don't understand why do you care so much. Don't you have better things to do? If you don't like the IT thread just don't read it. Problem solved.

Because IT'ers are the bane of BSN.  I like to talk about the game, not people's head canon.

Than talk about the game. In other threads. Jeez, it's not like IT is taking too much space on BSN. No one is forcing you into talking about it.

So you're agreeing that it's head canon, which would fall under the description of FAN CREATION?  Case and point.

You seem unable to understand the difference between fan fiction and interpretation. Fan fiction is a completly new story. Interpretation is every understanding of the plot. Thing is, even literal interpretation is still only an interpretation. And every single one is equal - if people believe in it - it's valid. You can disagree, you can present your own interpretation but you can't demand the right to decide what's right or wrong.

[Applepie_Svk]

CoolioThane wrote...


The same Bioware who said they wouldn't change the endings or add new ones with the EC?

The same Bioware who went from saying "no post ending DLC" to "no comment"? 

Logic...indoctrinating the player and Shepard...that makes sense.

Finance...they'd gain shedloads from an IT DLC...

This one approves

[RavenEyry]

shepdog77 wrote...
But I digress, I don't think the thread should be locked, just moved to it's appropriate board of discussion.

It is discussing the story of ME3, so it's already in the appropriate board of discussion.

[shepskisaac]

CoolioThane wrote...

Finance...they'd gain shedloads from an IT DLC...

No they wouldn't. Only a part of the most hardcore fanbase wants IT DLC. The rest wants to move on finally.

Not to mention that they would never spend months and millions of $ just to polish the fake/trick 'dream'/hallucination, especially after how big and damaging the entire controversy was. Time to face the reality. This is what they intended.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 20 juillet 2012 - 04:42 .

[masster blaster]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...


The same Bioware who said they wouldn't change the endings or add new ones with the EC?

The same Bioware who went from saying "no post ending DLC" to "no comment"? 

Logic...indoctrinating the player and Shepard...that makes sense.

Finance...they'd gain shedloads from an IT DLC...

This one approves

I agree they say a lot of things, but do they mean them. yes and no. That's why we have to speculate.

[shepdog77]

CoolioThane wrote...

Are you used to getting everything your own way, Shepdog?

When someone disagrees with you do you get upset and throw a hissy? (No need to answer that, we all know that's true)

Again and again, you continually throw out remarks like that towards me, when I have done nothing specifically inflammatory towards you.  I am simply requesting Bioware to move the IT thread to its rightful place.  I don't want it locked or removed from society or anything like that.  If they choose not to that's Bioware's prerogative, but there's no need to tell me I'm "throwing a hissy" for simply making a simple and logical request.

[Applepie_Svk]

shepdog77 wrote...


You say "clues", I say grasping for straws that aren't even there.  But I digress, I don't think the thread should be locked, just moved to it's appropriate board of discussion.

You know what, replay whole ME1 and 2 and focus on these words: Reapers, Indoctrination, Oily shadows, Vivid Dreams, Halucination, Headache, Voices, Old man, Saren, Benezia, Rachni, TIM, Collectors, Direlict Reaper, DR.Kenson, DR.Chandana ... Than come back and replay Mass Effect 3:
- vent boy
- nightmares 
- weird ending ...

Yes there are no clues ... YO WON THE INTERNETZ, SIR!

We both probably played utterly different game...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 20 juillet 2012 - 04:44 .

[pacientK]

Im not a fan of IT. I prefer it over "official bull****" but im not fan. I prefet MarauderShields comics for my canon. But i say let IT thread be where it is. Who cares.

[ArbitorEAAcc]

Sooo.... if I go and say that the entire mass effect series as a whole is really a big allegory it would fall under fan fiction?

I could say that based on my views of all three games, reapers represent "Old world" colonial powers (say for instance spain) all the other races represent "Primitive" civilizations compared to the colonial powers. Forced to band together in last ditch efforts to try to thwart there destruction. Cerberus then are the ones that are traitors to the "primitives" believing they were helping ensure the continuation of their represented civilizations.

Its a interpretation of the story, a lesson that showed me not to count out the little guys just yet when it comes to doing something massive (me3 example: Construction of the crucible.)

IT is a interpretation of the story, facts viewed through different lenses give different views.

If I said that ME3 is really just a massive computer simulation that shepard is inside that when he completed it he ACTUALLY became a n7 THAT would be fan fiction.

[Hendrik.III]

This is irrelevant. Just because you're annoyed by the IT people doesn't mean you get to punt their thread from this forum. Who cares, it's one thread - you don't have to read it, I know I never do.

[RavenEyry]

shepdog77 wrote...
logical request.

A logical request would be for a fan creation to be moved to the fan creation board. Not a campaign and story discussion to be moved to the fan creation board.

[masster blaster]

IsaacShep wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Finance...they'd gain shedloads from an IT DLC...

No they wouldn't. Only a part of the most hardcore fanbase wants IT DLC. The rest wants to move on finally.

Not to mention that they would never spend months and millions of $ just to polish the fake/trick 'dream'/hallucination, especially after how big and damaging the entire controversy was. Time to face the reality. This is what they intended.

Or EA would think they could get a lot of money if they go with IT and charge about 10 to 15 bucks to download the IT dlc. And have you notice they MP is starting to tie into the SP story line. I have and so have others.

Also look at the Earth trailer. " We have to hold them off, until the fleets arrive." In other words MP has not reached the end where Shepard is at.

[Hunter_Wolf]

sydranark wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Anyone who thinks IT is real at this point are in serious denial.

Than you accept bad writing...

Bad writing is an opinion, not fact.  IT is just false, though.

Flawed writing, however, is a fact. There is an art to story-telling. This ending with lots of plot holes and other garbage make the ending deviate from proper story-telling, and make it flawed. 

In my opinion, something flawed is something bad. 

To add, 

With a flawed ending, people are willing to believe in some sense of hope that the endings have a deeper untold meaning as means to calm their nerves. It's like being a fan of that one team you love so much who has failed every match they went to but you just can't help but come up with more reasons to stick to them.