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[CmnDwnWrkn]

Shinter37 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Baerdface wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

It's simple - if you don't want to share, then don't play Demolisher. Engineer is a support class. It isn't a grenade-spamming class. If your mentality isn't one of supporting your team first and foremost, then don't play engineer.

Oh yes, ability to have 10 grenades and being able to tech burst huge groups of enemies totally doesn't scream "grenade spammer class".


Even without the grenades, pylon is awesome support with shield boost and damage boost.

If the Pylon was intended as a personal tool, it would have been designed that way.  It's there for you AND your team.  It isn't there for you to hog ALL the grenades.  If you keep the Pylon to yourself, I would imagine you're not a very good teammate.

If you prevent your teammate from having ANY powers at all, then I would imagine that you are not a very good teammate.

It's all about being reasonable, but don't expect the Demolisher to not play the game so you can have more grenades.

How is expecting someone to share the same thing as preventing your teammate from having ANY powers.  Oh that's right, it isn't.  Like you said, it's all about being reasonable.  It isn't reasonable for someone to keep a team pylon to themselves.

[Shadowalker1191]

Well OP, you do have more than 200 Thermal clips. Use some, each one refills up to 10 nades.

Modifié par Shadowalker1191, 20 juillet 2012 - 05:20 .

[L.ast L.ife]

Baerdface wrote...
Seems like people think that if a Demolisher is on the team, the pylon automatically belongs to the teammates (which is not true).

It's essentially the same flawed logic that was applied to PUG Infiltrators. If you were an Infiltrator that didn't dedicate the entire match to reviving and running every objective by yourself you were automatically labeled terribly selfish player who only cared about the scoreboard. IMO, the only way the majority's opinion could hold actual weight is if Homing Grenade was a low cooldown based power. Then their whining would make a hell of a lot more sense. Ammo boxes and Ammo Packs exist for a reason. Why not use those first before hogging a power designed specifically for a class who's raw dps potential is largely dependent on consumables?

A Demo without grenades is a severely gimped Soldier at best.  Why is it acceptable for the person supplying the Pylon to make ammo runs, but not the rest of you?

The OP (now that they have bothered to clarify themselves) however was simply dealing with two jackasses if they were raging over someone taking their stash in the middle of a hack zone. Completely different situation from the normal bums who can't be bothered to visit the ammo box ever the split second they realize a Demo is on the team.

Shadowalker1191 wrote...

Damn this is turning Demolisher
in to corner campers in COD. Worst actuality, at least in COD the
campers are not normally the cause of a lose of the game.

If a single Supply Pylon makes the difference between a wipe and a completed game then you should seriously reevaluate the skill level of yourself and the rest of your team.

Modifié par L.ast L.ife, 20 juillet 2012 - 05:13 .

[Baerdface]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Shinter37 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Baerdface wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

It's simple - if you don't want to share, then don't play Demolisher. Engineer is a support class. It isn't a grenade-spamming class. If your mentality isn't one of supporting your team first and foremost, then don't play engineer.

Oh yes, ability to have 10 grenades and being able to tech burst huge groups of enemies totally doesn't scream "grenade spammer class".


Even without the grenades, pylon is awesome support with shield boost and damage boost.

If the Pylon was intended as a personal tool, it would have been designed that way.  It's there for you AND your team.  It isn't there for you to hog ALL the grenades.  If you keep the Pylon to yourself, I would imagine you're not a very good teammate.

If you prevent your teammate from having ANY powers at all, then I would imagine that you are not a very good teammate.

It's all about being reasonable, but don't expect the Demolisher to not play the game so you can have more grenades.

How is expecting someone to share the same thing as preventing your teammate from having ANY powers.  Oh that's right, it isn't.  Like you said, it's all about being reasonable.  It isn't reasonable for someone to keep a team pylon to themselves.

You hog all the grenades, you gimp the demolisher. Without nades it's just a char with a gun without any weapon damage boost cause he specced for power (nade) damage. It's more selfish to take grenades away from him than for him to take them. Team still gets shield boosts, ammo and damage boosts from pylon.

[Morning Elf]

I think some mutual respect goes a long way.

The Demolisher *needs* those grenades. More than any other class. If it looks like the Demolisher is trying to get grenades, don't race her to the pylon. Last night, I was in a match where some idiot was following me around and would try to grab the grenades before I could, every time I put down a pylon.  This is obnoxious and borderline griefing.

OTOH, if I leave a pylon somewhere, then yes, help yourself. I also try to put down pylons next to people doing the 4-point objective, so they get the shield increase. When I'm not playing my Demolisher, I try to be respectful of other people's pylons, and I won't use them to restock if they're nearby.

Modifié par Morning Elf, 20 juillet 2012 - 05:14 .

[MrChris_CJ]

I have a lot of fun playing that demolisher, the homing grenades are so satisfying and I do always crave MOAR

however having played a lot of destroyer myself the first thing I do when playing with one is set the pylon down for them and say over mic to use it; its not hard for me to make a few ammo dump runs if needed

but anyone with half a brain should know, give that destroyer his grenades; yes you are gonna want to have plenty of grenades but if you resist the urge to spam them like mad (even though its oh so satisfying) and use them wisely, everyone can have grenades

and chance of winning increases

let alone the shield restore

[Shinter37]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Shinter37 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Baerdface wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

It's simple - if you don't want to share, then don't play Demolisher. Engineer is a support class. It isn't a grenade-spamming class. If your mentality isn't one of supporting your team first and foremost, then don't play engineer.

Oh yes, ability to have 10 grenades and being able to tech burst huge groups of enemies totally doesn't scream "grenade spammer class".


Even without the grenades, pylon is awesome support with shield boost and damage boost.

If the Pylon was intended as a personal tool, it would have been designed that way.  It's there for you AND your team.  It isn't there for you to hog ALL the grenades.  If you keep the Pylon to yourself, I would imagine you're not a very good teammate.

If you prevent your teammate from having ANY powers at all, then I would imagine that you are not a very good teammate.

It's all about being reasonable, but don't expect the Demolisher to not play the game so you can have more grenades.

How is expecting someone to share the same thing as preventing your teammate from having ANY powers.  Oh that's right, it isn't.  Like you said, it's all about being reasonable.  It isn't reasonable for someone to keep a team pylon to themselves.

Right, but I'm saying the Demolisher gets first pick of the grenades, since that's the only power they have.  I also find my Demolisher to be pretty squishy, so I don't wander too far away, including going to ammo crates for grenade resupply.  If you can make it there, do so.  In the end, if people stopped spamming grenades, and used their guns from time to time, it would be less of an issue.

Moral: Don't spam grenades just because there's a supply pylon, because that's not being a team player.  And non-Demolishers shouldn't park themselves over the pylon, because that takes out a teammate from play.  Use grenades like you would if there were no pylon, and be glad there are a few more sources of grenades in the game.

[Sovereign24]

I have no issue with other players using my pylon. I mean I only run the Demolisher as a support class, so it would be a bit wierd to rage at people because my character was fulfilling it's duty.

Modifié par Sovereign24, 20 juillet 2012 - 05:14 .

[WaffleCrab]

iplay222 wrote...

Over the Past few days I've encountered some people who simply refuse to allow anybody but themselves have ammo and grenades from their pylon.

Play a game of gold or plat as a demolisher without using grenades, then come here and give us your thoughts.

On all Occasions I was playing the Destroyer with grenade cap 5 and their were 2 or more demolishers in the team.
My first game which i encountered this was on wednesday, I went to a supply pylon to get some nades and ammo (the destroyer can run out pretty fast), but the demolishers stood on their pylons and shot at me, I assumed that they needed them so I let them take the supplies, except they were being picked up, the players both had full supply.

The ammo drops away from the pylon, nades drop at its base, if you stand right next to it, i dont blame them from shooing you away, you can easily have 9-11 nades as a demolisher, maybe 12 not sure.  so what makes you say they are at "capacity" if they spent all their nades and if they got 11 of them, that takes them an excess of a minute to fill up.

So I tried to get some again and both players came on their mics and began to shout and curse at me saying I should get my own grenades or spec out of them. I said that this is a team game and teamwork is the only way we are going to win this match, it's platinum afterall, they immediately replied by saying 'We are reporting you for being unhelpful team member and you should play a demolisher instead if i want to use grenades, the destroyer sucks anyway Learn to play'

I have to agree if you are such dependant on grenades that you need to rely on demolishers to get your fix your doing it wrong.

(i was topping the scoreboard).
They proceeded to kick me after the game, so i promptly left.

This happened in about 3 seperate games with different people with virtually the same outcome except others werent speaking like these 2. But they still wouldn't allow me to use their pylons, I wasn't using them excessively or anything, just when nessercery.

I Dont understand, Is it wrong for me to expect some teamwork and supplies when needed? or was I being a prat?

just hang around the pylons, dont walk up to them, walking up to them seems to be the thing that riles up the demolishers... but the real question is, why rely so heavily on nades as a dest.?

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 20 juillet 2012 - 05:15 .

[x75dnaflames]

I can understand Demolishers not wanting to share, it's their pylon and most of them carry low ammo weapons because of that. I make it a point to hit the ammo box even with a pylon feet from me. But if I'm sharing a foxhole with you, and I'm running low on ammo or the box is far away, yeah you can share 2 clips buddy. Grenades though? Might be different since they specifically need those. If you can, you should always make the trip to the box.

Worse comes to worse and they wont share, use one of your 200+ thermal clip packs.

[thegamefreek78648]

Part of the problem is that the new engies are falling in the traditional mind set of engies, power recharge speed, and taking weapons to reflect that. Single weapons that are very light, both in weight and damage, and using their grenades on everything.....

"ZOMG!!! SWARMERS!!! MUST SPAM ARC GRENADES!!!!"

The only power the Destroyer has that is effected by cool down is the supply pylon cool down, it doesn't effect the rate it spawns ammo or grenades.

It also doesn't effect their grenades, they can spam those as fast as the animations allow.

A good Destroyer will actually take decent weapons that pack a punch to chew up trash mobs or give them tactical options, like a falcon with ammo powers to set up tech bursts and crowd control.

[kilgoreKillmore]

On my Demolisher, when somebody announces over their mic that they need grenades I usually say alright and stop using grenades and let them have the next one's to spawn. It's fairly cyclic with the spawning so when I hear a complainer I usually remind them that its on a 11-15 sec respawn rate so just wait a little bit.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Baerdface wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Shinter37 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Baerdface wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

It's simple - if you don't want to share, then don't play Demolisher. Engineer is a support class. It isn't a grenade-spamming class. If your mentality isn't one of supporting your team first and foremost, then don't play engineer.

Oh yes, ability to have 10 grenades and being able to tech burst huge groups of enemies totally doesn't scream "grenade spammer class".


Even without the grenades, pylon is awesome support with shield boost and damage boost.

If the Pylon was intended as a personal tool, it would have been designed that way.  It's there for you AND your team.  It isn't there for you to hog ALL the grenades.  If you keep the Pylon to yourself, I would imagine you're not a very good teammate.

If you prevent your teammate from having ANY powers at all, then I would imagine that you are not a very good teammate.

It's all about being reasonable, but don't expect the Demolisher to not play the game so you can have more grenades.

How is expecting someone to share the same thing as preventing your teammate from having ANY powers.  Oh that's right, it isn't.  Like you said, it's all about being reasonable.  It isn't reasonable for someone to keep a team pylon to themselves.

You hog all the grenades, you gimp the demolisher. Without nades it's just a char with a gun without any weapon damage boost cause he specced for power (nade) damage. It's more selfish to take grenades away from him than for him to take them. Team still gets shield boosts, ammo and damage boosts from pylon.

Nobody is talking about taking ALL the grenades away from the Demolisher.  I don't know where your getting that from.  If someone does that, then they're no better than the selfish Demolisher.  So while you're there camping to ensure you get all the grenades, while probably soaking up all the ammo as well, your teammates get their grenades and ammo from ammo boxes, right?  Why are you above going to an ammo box every once in a while to refill?

The bottom line is, play how you want, but I personally wouldn't play a second match with you if you played in the way you're describing.

[Shinter37]

x75dnaflames wrote...

I can understand Demolishers not wanting to share, it's their pylon and most of them carry low ammo weapons because of that. I make it a point to hit the ammo box even with a pylon feet from me. But if I'm sharing a foxhole with you, and I'm running low on ammo or the box is far away, yeah you can share 2 clips buddy. Grenades though? Might be different since they specifically need those. If you can, you should always make the trip to the box.

Worse comes to worse and they wont share, use one of your 200+ thermal clip packs.

As a Demolisher, I support this 

[AshTheBrave]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

It's simple - if you don't want to share, then don't play Demolisher. Engineer is a support class. It isn't a grenade-spamming class. If your mentality isn't one of supporting your team first and foremost, then don't play engineer.

How is it not a grenade spamming class? Just wondering how you see to
use it.  Demolishers only have the two grenade powers and the pylon. If
they were there to only support then they wouldn't have the grenades
themselves.

Shinter37 wrote...

If you prevent your teammate from having ANY powers at all, then I would imagine that you are not a very good teammate.

It's all about being reasonable, but don't expect the Demolisher to not play the game so you can have more grenades.

If someone else hogs the grenades you've pretty much neutered the class. It's really in their best interest to share too.

I always sit on the pylon and spam grenades unless we're moving. That being said, I really don't mind people using it too. I see the pylon as for everyone. If I'm out of grenades I use my gun. Simple.

Why not just talk to them? If they don't want you to use it then don't. Just use the ammo boxes like the pylon wasn't there.

[Jayhau]

I thought about this as well.. I want to be a team player though so I run up behind people with grenades a set up a turret for them.

I think I have some skills do I can hit boxes myself while still helping others

Just your demos are idiots... They can hit boxes too lol

I would like to see a fix that gives +1 grenades to everyone standing by it every 15 seconds AS WELL AS giving 2 grenades on the floor... Boom everyone is happy

[iplay222]

WaffleCrab wrote...

iplay222 wrote...

Over the Past few days I've encountered some people who simply refuse to allow anybody but themselves have ammo and grenades from their pylon.

Play a game of gold or plat as a demolisher without using grenades, then come here and give us your thoughts.

On all Occasions I was playing the Destroyer with grenade cap 5 and their were 2 or more demolishers in the team.
My first game which i encountered this was on wednesday, I went to a supply pylon to get some nades and ammo (the destroyer can run out pretty fast), but the demolishers stood on their pylons and shot at me, I assumed that they needed them so I let them take the supplies, except they were being picked up, the players both had full supply.

The ammo drops away from the pylon, nades drop at its base, if you stand right next to it, i dont blame them from shooing you away, you can easily have 9-11 nades as a demolisher, maybe 12 not sure.  so what makes you say they are at "capacity" if they spent all their nades and if they got 11 of them, that takes them an excess of a minute to fill up.

So I tried to get some again and both players came on their mics and began to shout and curse at me saying I should get my own grenades or spec out of them. I said that this is a team game and teamwork is the only way we are going to win this match, it's platinum afterall, they immediately replied by saying 'We are reporting you for being unhelpful team member and you should play a demolisher instead if i want to use grenades, the destroyer sucks anyway Learn to play'

I have to agree if you are such dependant on grenades that you need to rely on demolishers to get your fix your doing it wrong.

(i was topping the scoreboard).
They proceeded to kick me after the game, so i promptly left.

This happened in about 3 seperate games with different people with virtually the same outcome except others werent speaking like these 2. But they still wouldn't allow me to use their pylons, I wasn't using them excessively or anything, just when nessercery.

I Dont understand, Is it wrong for me to expect some teamwork and supplies when needed? or was I being a prat?

just hang around the pylons, dont walk up to them, walking up to them seems to be the thing that riles up the demolishers... but the real question is, why rely so heavily on nades as a dest.?

Thats the thing, I didn't i went to them when i thought it would be helpful to us, I didn't go to them whenever i wanted a top up, I wasn't standing near the pylons and I often stayed in a seperate room with the paladin on our team, I wasn't relying on grenades as a destroyer because my weapons do the job, but there are handy in sticky situations.

I thought I already clarified this but evidently not, I DIDN'T USE GRENADES EXCESSIVELY. The Demolishers refused to give me grenades even when they were full up on them and the ammo/grenades were lying on the floor doing nothing for anyone.

[GodlessPaladin]

Demolishers have some of the best grenades in the game and are pretty thoroughly dependant on them, and as such denying grenades from demolishers when they are in need is probably not being the best team player.

EDIT: Some of the "greed" arguments I'm seeing work both ways.  There is nothing more inherently greedy about a demolisher wanting grenades than  someone else wanting grenades.

Now, you shouldn't always leave the pylon alone for the Demolisher or anything, but it is helpful to consider who would benefit the team more in a given circumstance.  I usually find that I can afford to share quite a bit as a Demolisher, but it would be another issue entirely if there were 3 grenadiers crowding
the pylon.  In fact, having 3 grenadiers stay in the same place is probably a bad team strategy to begin with

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 20 juillet 2012 - 05:58 .

[thegamefreek78648]

WaffleCrab wrote...

but the real question is, why rely so heavily on nades as a dest.?

Because they are a massive AOE attack that can kill or weaken most trooper mobs in the area, capabale of staggering almost everything [cept banshees it seems]

If you are on an open map and have a good sight on a spawn point you can wreck the mobs that pop there and finish off the survivors with your missile launcher [power not the weapon] and what ever big beefy gun you took

[upinya slayin]

Baerdface wrote...

Shinter37 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Baerdface wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

It's simple - if you don't want to share, then don't play Demolisher. Engineer is a support class. It isn't a grenade-spamming class. If your mentality isn't one of supporting your team first and foremost, then don't play engineer.

Oh yes, ability to have 10 grenades and being able to tech burst huge groups of enemies totally doesn't scream "grenade spammer class".


Even without the grenades, pylon is awesome support with shield boost and damage boost.

If the Pylon was intended as a personal tool, it would have been designed that way.  It's there for you AND your team.  It isn't there for you to hog ALL the grenades.  If you keep the Pylon to yourself, I would imagine you're not a very good teammate.

If you prevent your teammate from having ANY powers at all, then I would imagine that you are not a very good teammate.

It's all about being reasonable, but don't expect the Demolisher to not play the game so you can have more grenades.

Grenades are for me, because I don't get any weapon damage boosts from passives, other teammates get shield and damage boost, aswel as ammo (from the pylon). I think it's a fair trade. Destroyers already have all the weapon damage bonuses and Devastator mode, so they can mow things down with Typhoon and pick nades up on the way from ammo boxes.

Btw Demolishers grenades are better than any other grenades if you spec for power damage, why gimp my abilities just so some Batarian Soldier could throw his rank 3 inferno nades.

they don't have the best grenades

Arc, cluster, and multifrag are all top grendes. tier 1

tier 2
incindeary, lift,homing

tier 3
frag

[Ypiret]

The Demolisher is way more effective with grenades than any other class, and she's really dependent on them.

When ever I play with a Demolisher, I leave her pylon alone.

Besides, unless your a QME you can don't need the grenades anyways. You have other powers and abilites, without her pylon the Demoisher doesn't

Plus, whatever she's going to do with the grenades will be way better then what I could do with them, so why would I take them? That just seems dumb to me. Would you rather have room clearing Tech Bursts or Inferno Grenade spam?

Modifié par Ypiret, 20 juillet 2012 - 05:22 .

[Cloaking_Thane]

You need to use your thermal clip packs, then kindly ask for grenades.

[Influ]

Considering how heavily the class relies on grenades, you shouldn't really complain if one doesn't go out of their way to leave something for others. Especially considering that Arcs (even though the Demolisher's Arcs have a smaller radius than the Quarians have) and Homing Grenades are among the best grenades in the game. A Demolisher spamming those and firing away with a Harrier or another powerful weapon is a massive damage dealer.

Still, I'm not going to complain about someone popping in to snatch some grenades from my pylon, especially if it's a Destroyer, because the Multi Frags are just insanely good.

[thegamefreek78648]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Demolishers have some of the best grenades in the game and are pretty thoroughly dependant on them, and as such denying grenades from demolishers is probably not being the best team player.

Yeah, they have homing grenades and arc grenades, things that wreck heavy mobs, so why are they wasting them on husks, assault troopers, geth troopers and swarmers?