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[CmnDwnWrkn]

x75dnaflames wrote...

I can understand Demolishers not wanting to share, it's their pylon and most of them carry low ammo weapons because of that. I make it a point to hit the ammo box even with a pylon feet from me. But if I'm sharing a foxhole with you, and I'm running low on ammo or the box is far away, yeah you can share 2 clips buddy. Grenades though? Might be different since they specifically need those. If you can, you should always make the trip to the box.

Worse comes to worse and they wont share, use one of your 200+ thermal clip packs.

Play how you want, but don't tell me this is team-oriented play and isn't selfish.  I'm not agreeing with your argument at all.  It's the same as an Infiltrator who never uses to cloak to revive teammates or do objectives.  "Well, I NEED cloak to do damage with my sniper rifle; therefore, I can't use it for doing anything else."  It's just an attempt to justify play that doesn't take your team into consideration.  You really should be soloing instead if it's all about YOU.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Demolishers have some of the best grenades in the game and are pretty thoroughly dependant on them, and as such denying grenades from demolishers is probably not being the best team player.

So much fun tho, lol!

[iplay222]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Demolishers have some of the best grenades in the game and are pretty thoroughly dependant on them, and as such denying grenades from demolishers is probably not being the best team player.

I agree and it is their only power, I have weapons to help me on my destroyer but I was hoping that getting grenades when demolishers were topped up was more beneficial, according to the people i was playing with the ammo/grenades on the floor were just there as decoration.

[Shinter37]

Euro87 wrote...

Many people are greedy in real life, but to be greedy in a game is just ridiculous! You did nothing wrong by wanting a grenade or two. If leveled up properly, those supply pylons drop 2 grenades and ammo in a short amount of time. When me and my gaming buddies play as demolishers we set up the pylons so everyone can benefit from them. Properly leveled up demolishers with grenade capacity gear, can have 11-12 grenades at a time, so there is no reason to be stingy with the pylons. Also it takes a while to refill your grenade stock running around to all the ammo boxes, and the Destroyer is also a grenade type character, the missile launcher is useless in my opinion.

I personally prefer to spec for added damage to grenades than larger supply (I get the +grenades from the passive, but not the grenade skills themselves).  More damage, and having a higher max doesn't keep you from restoring that number any faster.  So I tend to stay close to full at 5-6 grenades, do more damage, and that frees up some for teammates.

[Batgang alumni]

I played with 3 other demolishers and we all shared and it was great fun.. We dominated platinum on glacier.

[GodlessPaladin]

thegamefreek78648 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Demolishers have some of the best grenades in the game and are pretty thoroughly dependant on them, and as such denying grenades from demolishers is probably not being the best team player.

Yeah, they have homing grenades and arc grenades, things that wreck everything in large area of effect, so why are they wasting them on hordes of foes?

Fixed that for you. 

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 20 juillet 2012 - 05:27 .

[thegamefreek78648]

Ypiret wrote...

The Demolisher is way more effective with grenades than any other class, and she's really dependent on them.

When ever I play with a Demolisher, I leave her pylon alone.

Besides, unless your a QME you can don't need the grenades anyways. You have other powers and abilites, without her pylon the Demoisher doesn't

Plus, whatever she's going to do with the grenades will be way better then what I could do with them, so why would I take them? That just seems dumb to me. Would you rather have room clearing Tech Bursts or Inferno Grenade spam?

I would rather have an inferno grenade followed by an arc grenade, or vice versa, lot of you destoryer players need to learn to share your biotic explosions... err i mean tech bursts, rather than trying to burst of that lone husk running around in circles with nothing around it friend or foe.

[WaffleCrab]

thegamefreek78648 wrote...

Part of the problem is that the new engies are falling in the traditional mind set of engies, power recharge speed, and taking weapons to reflect that. Single weapons that are very light, both in weight and damage, and using their grenades on everything.....

"ZOMG!!! SWARMERS!!! MUST SPAM ARC GRENADES!!!!"

The only power the Destroyer has that is effected by cool down is the supply pylon cool down, it doesn't effect the rate it spawns ammo or grenades.

It also doesn't effect their grenades, they can spam those as fast as the animations allow.

A good Destroyer will actually take decent weapons that pack a punch to chew up trash mobs or give them tactical options, like a falcon with ammo powers to set up tech bursts and crowd control.

from the moment i unlocked demolisher, i carried nothing bot typhoon with it. and/or claymore or piranha.

[WaffleCrab]

thegamefreek78648 wrote...

Ypiret wrote...

The Demolisher is way more effective with grenades than any other class, and she's really dependent on them.

When ever I play with a Demolisher, I leave her pylon alone.

Besides, unless your a QME you can don't need the grenades anyways. You have other powers and abilites, without her pylon the Demoisher doesn't

Plus, whatever she's going to do with the grenades will be way better then what I could do with them, so why would I take them? That just seems dumb to me. Would you rather have room clearing Tech Bursts or Inferno Grenade spam?

I would rather have an inferno grenade followed by an arc grenade, or vice versa, lot of you destoryer players need to learn to share your biotic explosions... err i mean tech bursts, rather than trying to burst of that lone husk running around in circles with nothing around it friend or foe.

you can make the homing grenade into a dual homing inferno nade.

[gaminazn]

I only use the destroyer for camping. I have no problems dropping down a pylon every 30 seconds. However, camping my pylon is not cool. Hate it when team mates suck up my ammo because they're too lazy to go to an ammo box.

[Podboq]

The people you played with sound like douchebags. But on the other hand, as some people have said, demolishers don't have any powers.

[GodlessPaladin]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Demolishers have some of the best grenades in the game and are pretty thoroughly dependant on them, and as such denying grenades from demolishers is probably not being the best team player.

To add to this point a bit...

Some of the "greed" arguments I'm seeing work both ways.  There is nothing more inherently greedy about a demolisher wanting grenades than  someone else wanting grenades.

Now, you shouldn't always leave the pylon alone for the Demolisher or anything, but it is helpful to consider who would benefit the team more in a given circumstance.  I usually find that I can afford to share quite a bit as a Demolisher, but it would be another issue entirely if there were 3 grenadiers crowding the pylon.  In fact, having 3 grenadiers stay in the same place is probably a bad team strategy to begin with

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 20 juillet 2012 - 05:59 .

[NotusedGamertag]

The real problem is people using it as a substitute ammo box. For the Demo, the pylon is its lifeline, but for everyone else, it should ONLY be used as a last resort. Its really frustrating when im using my Demo and I can't fight because everyone else hogs the pylon and instead on using the boxes while im stuck with an empty harrier and no grenades. I use a low ammo, high powered gun for a reason, that reason being that I have MY pylon. And its really annoying when I can't play because everyone else thinks th pylon is free to everyone despite what the demo needs. I'm more than willing to share, but don't camp my pylon. If you want ammo like that then get your own Demo

[thegamefreek78648]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

thegamefreek78648 wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Demolishers have some of the best grenades in the game and are pretty thoroughly dependant on them, and as such denying grenades from demolishers is probably not being the best team player.

Yeah, they have homing grenades and arc grenades, things that wreck
heavy mobs, so why are they wasting them on LONE husks, assault troopers,
geth troopers and swarmers?

Fixed that for you.

No, fraid you didnt, cause the way I said it is the way ive seen it.  You need to fix the Destoryers ive seen who spam grenades on lone mobs and small groups that can be killed by just walking on them [swarmers]  [yes, i know thats really not a good idea for taking them out but its better than chucking three arc grenades at the suckers]

By the way, fixed your fix so that its more accurate

[WaffleCrab]

thegamefreek78648 wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

but the real question is, why rely so heavily on nades as a dest.?

Because they are a massive AOE attack that can kill or weaken most trooper mobs in the area, capabale of staggering almost everything [cept banshees it seems]

If you are on an open map and have a good sight on a spawn point you can wreck the mobs that pop there and finish off the survivors with your missile launcher [power not the weapon] and what ever big beefy gun you took

except they pale in comparison to the hell a demolisher can rain down when, specced for split homing grenades with the added incindiary effect.

[BlackoutOmega]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I'm kind of torn because it IS good team work to give team mates those grenades, BUT those grenades are the Demolishers lifeline...at least in my opinion.

Not necessarily, I run with a Harrier I and a Pirana X and it tears up. Any good guns really, the only thing the cooldown affects is the Pylon, which you're not going to be recasting constantly unless you need to get a quick 2 grenades.

Demolisher is a support class, but can also run like a solider when out  of grenades.

[HashimSharif]

the homing grenade looks weird, it looks like somebody shooting combat drone at the enemy , from my point of view

[Iezza]

I play demolisher often. i dont mind up to 2 other people using my pylon for nades, but when OTHER people camp my pylon and downright spam their own nades just due to the pylon? it pisses me off.

[templarphoenix]

So how about I just wanna recieve some weapon dmg and shield bonus, then grab nades by accident? Especially team up with AJA and demolisher.

[thegamefreek78648]

WaffleCrab wrote...

thegamefreek78648 wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

but the real question is, why rely so heavily on nades as a dest.?

Because they are a massive AOE attack that can kill or weaken most trooper mobs in the area, capabale of staggering almost everything [cept banshees it seems]

If you are on an open map and have a good sight on a spawn point you can wreck the mobs that pop there and finish off the survivors with your missile launcher [power not the weapon] and what ever big beefy gun you took

except they pale in comparison to the hell a demolisher can rain down when, specced for split homing grenades with the added incindiary effect.

Except that I have only seen 2 people who actually use their grenades with something resembling commonsense and the rest seem to use the same mentality of bad vanguard players.

[Hexi-decimal]

My suggestion. Run to ammo boxes when you can. In the heat of the moment? Need a grenade now? Mosey over to the Pylon, I understand. Make an effort to allow them first dibs, but don't be afraid to use it if you need it.

[GodlessPaladin]

thegamefreek78648 wrote...
No, fraid you didnt, cause the way I said it is the way ive seen it.  You need to fix the Destoryers ive seen who spam grenades on lone mobs and small groups that can be killed by just walking on them [swarmers]  [yes, i know thats really not a good idea for taking them out but its better than chucking three arc grenades at the suckers]

This is like arguing that cobra missiles are bad because some people will fire off three of them at a swarmer. 

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 20 juillet 2012 - 05:38 .

[upinya slayin]

Podboq wrote...

The people you played with sound like douchebags. But on the other hand, as some people have said, demolishers don't have any powers.

I see them as a weapons class. since the pylon never dies. recharge speed isn't majorly an issue. 2 grenade types and pack as heavy as you want. how can you be defenseless caryying 10+ grenades at a time (just don't spam them) and 2 awesome weapons?

[iplay222]

Well, I wish i didnt make this thread some of these posts grate on me, mainly those that are technically 'on my side' because they are not representing my situation at all.;

[smeckie]

I don't mind sharing mine. I have mine set up with 10 grenades, I am replenishing during and in between rounds. I can also redeploy pylon at anytime to get insta granades. I also have 250 spare clips I can use to replenish.