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[Bill Casey]

ShepnTali wrote...

I know this. Intended or not, we got ambiguity.

Intended...

"Lots of speculation from everyone"

Modifié par Bill Casey, 20 juillet 2012 - 07:21 .

[Baa Baa]

MetioricTest wrote...

I'm always amazed at how much the IT bothers people.

If people want to believe it then let them, why does it matter?

[I_eat_unicorns]

LadyMarisa wrote...

To answer the thread title question only, because The endings are so open to player interpretation (according to staff comments) that anything we think up is as valid as anything anyone else comes up with for their own endings. They don't want to tell players how things do or do not turn out beyond a certain point. So if ITers think that's what is behind their games/playthroughs/endings, the devs have said that's ok too.

That's just a cop-out, look at the video, you've seen the work they've done on the ec dlc, and I doubt they watched 2 hours of IT documentary nonsense, and it's easy to believe in the IT by saying it's "all a dream". 

You can believe anything you want if that's how you derive entertainment, and there's nothing wrong with it. But if there can be a "truth" about the structure of a fictional work it is that that which the author intended is the actuality. ME's writers do not intend IT to be the valid end. 

[PsyrenY]

Fauxnormal wrote...

blueumi wrote...

it's valid because Chris Priestly said so in the thread that was closed

it's called 'pandering'

It makes sure you don't all rage quit because he's laughing at you.

This, but more speculations don't bother me since I want Bioware to succeed. IT money is just as green as pro-ender money.

[jla0644]

IntuitionJo wrote...

I'm going to say this. I support the IT. It's a good piece of writing and storytelling. It blows the crucible BS out of the water. It's a solid opening to a much better end to the series.

I also do not believe that it is true. I don't think anyone does at this point.

But what also baffles me is how stupid some people can be when interpreting what it stands for. Let me make this clear:

If the IT was true, then the idea is that there is MORE TO THE ENDING THAN THAT. After Shepard wakes up, staves off indoctrination, and whatnot... THERE'S MORE **** TO DO. How do people not get this? We're not saying that IT should be, "Okay. Shepard gets indoctrinated or not. The End. Go Home." While still better than the endings as they are, it's not satisfying in any way.

To the last part, I think everyone understands that. And that's why the EC was such a blow to the iT. For the IT to be true, there has to be more to come. The trilogy can't end on a cliffhanger. The problem is the game is done, the story is over, the way it ended in the EC is really how it ended, and there isn't anything else coming to add to the ending.. That's the story Bioware wanted to tell, and it doesn't involve an indoctrinated Shepard.

So if you're still pushing the IT, you're pushing a story that will never have an ending. No matter how much evidence you think there is, or how great of a story you think it is, the only place you're ever going to see it is in your head.

[FlyingSquirrel]

IntuitionJo wrote...
If the IT was true, then the idea is that there is MORE TO THE ENDING THAN THAT. After Shepard wakes up, staves off indoctrination, and whatnot... THERE'S MORE **** TO DO. How do people not get this? We're not saying that IT should be, "Okay. Shepard gets indoctrinated or not. The End. Go Home." While still better than the endings as they are, it's not satisfying in any way.

So is your hope that BW eventually changes their mind and releases more ending content based on the IT? Maybe some of the negative reaction (and I haven't followed this debate closely, so I'm just speaking about my own thoughts on the IT) is based on the idea that, since BW has released the EC and said there would not be any further changes to the ending, the IT is now essentially "disproven" *unless* you accept it as the very last thing that happens in the story.

[MegaSovereign]

I don't see why people would want to believe in IT. You're not getting any closure out of it.

[legaldinho]

True, but that's because of the overall poor execution of the endings. Unfortunately, it's not a question of wanting. If someone tells you "the end is a hallucination, from the beam upwards", and you happen to be like me, you will see the entire game through that prism. Replays will reinforce that interpretation, and it's not a choice. If you don't see it, fine, but frankly, it's there. It doesn't mean it is "THE" true interpretation. Plainly, the game was crafted so as to allow two alternative interpretations of what happens at the end. (I would say more so pre EC DLC). For whatever reason (I would suggest commercial rather than reasons of incompetence, as most seem to jump to), they went a particular way, which delivers very little closure. In total recal, arnie saves the day and transforms mars; alternatively he is permanently braindead and never wakes up from the dream.

[Ticonderoga117]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I don't see why people would want to believe in IT. You're not getting any closure out of it.

You get to cut out most of the crap though.

[MB957]

well op, chris preistly mentioned that he has a save as an IT run and a save as a non IT run.

seems to me he figures IT is good enough for at least one play thru.

validity, it seems to me, is up to the player. seems like bioware made the game ambiguous so that we could all create our own ideas about the ending...be it IT or not.

I like the idea of IT. that would have been a fun way to go! sheps falling under the reapers control...breaks out of it...and then gets back to crushing reaper butt!

but instead, I get confusion and specualtion. ok. then all possibilities are valid.

[LadyMarisa]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

LadyMarisa wrote...

To answer the thread title question only, because The endings are so open to player interpretation (according to staff comments) that anything we think up is as valid as anything anyone else comes up with for their own endings. They don't want to tell players how things do or do not turn out beyond a certain point. So if ITers think that's what is behind their games/playthroughs/endings, the devs have said that's ok too.

That's just a cop-out, look at the video, you've seen the work they've done on the ec dlc, and I doubt they watched 2 hours of IT documentary nonsense, and it's easy to believe in the IT by saying it's "all a dream". 

You can believe anything you want if that's how you derive entertainment, and there's nothing wrong with it. But if there can be a "truth" about the structure of a fictional work it is that that which the author intended is the actuality. ME's writers do not intend IT to be the valid end. 

If you're referring to IT being a cop out, that's your opinion and that's cool. I'm not an ITer but I have no problems with it, I find the whole theory to be quite entertaining.

If you're referring to my comment about staff comments making it valid, that is however it NOT a cop out. Hell, Chris Priestly himself locked and posted in the petition to move the IT thread to fan creations, saying that it was a valid theory for the endings.

[Geneaux486]

Contrary to popular belief the theory that the ending was a hallucination never had validity, even before the EC came out.  It's definetely one of the more interesting peices of fanfiction I've run across around here though, very well thought out, very intricate.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 20 juillet 2012 - 10:27 .

[wantedman dan]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I don't see why people would want to believe in IT. You're not getting any closure out of it.

Not anymore, at least. In its prime, the IT gave the most closure out of all potential outcomes.

[MegaSovereign]

wantedman dan wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I don't see why people would want to believe in IT. You're not getting any closure out of it.

Not anymore, at least. In its prime, the IT gave the most closure out of all potential outcomes.

Were you an IT believer before the EC?

[wantedman dan]

MegaSovereign wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I don't see why people would want to believe in IT. You're not getting any closure out of it.

Not anymore, at least. In its prime, the IT gave the most closure out of all potential outcomes.

Were you an IT believer before the EC?

It wasn't something I defended with passion, but I did hold on what little optimism I had left in regard to the endings for the IT.

[Genetic Destiny]

Flog61 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

I'm always amazed at how much the IT bothers people.

If people want to believe it then let them, why does it matter?

Aaaaaaand:

noobcannon wrote...

OP, you call IT supporters "delusional" and then you accuse others of being trolls when they don't agree with you. seriously?

Modifié par Genetic Destiny, 21 juillet 2012 - 02:52 .

[noobcannon]

OP, you call IT supporters "delusional" and then you accuse others of being trolls when they don't agree with you. seriously?

[Bill Casey]

[Bill Casey]

MetioricTest wrote...

I'm always amazed at how much the IT bothers people.

If people want to believe it then let them, why does it matter?

[Legbiter]

It is valid via the old way.
A-la fingers stuck in ears while going lalala-I-can't-hear-you.

Btw, this post proves IT.

[Indylavi]

I'm not an IT'er but they theory doesn't bother me either. I personally don't see it as valid or at least not likely. Entertaining but not likely. IT did revolve around there being more to do. Shepard would wake up and then........ What exactly? EC was supposed to be the big reveal. It wasn't. Now what?

I think that is the problem most have against IT. If IT is real then we don't have an ending. Is the Leviathan DLC supposed to be that reveal? Some future DLC perhaps? How long are we willing to wait? A year? Is a game company really going to release a game with no ending only to release the REAL ending as a paid DLC in the future? EA is known for it's egregious DLC policy but I doubt even they would go that far. But I'm not bothered people still believe in it.

[MystEU]

Imagination, which is something that some folks are sorely lacking!

[MegaSovereign]

MystEU wrote...

Imagination, which is something that some folks are sorely lacking!

Who needs gameplay and cinemtic cutscenes to provide closure when you have imagination!?

Looks like Spongebob had it right all along!