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[wantedman dan]

MegaSovereign wrote...

MystEU wrote...

Imagination, which is something that some folks are sorely lacking!

Who needs gameplay and cinemtic cutscenes to provide closure when you have imagination!?

Looks like Spongebob had it right all along!

This. I didn't pay $70 so I could listen to Spongebob lecture Squidward.

[comrade gando]

my question is how could what I just witnessed in EC be "complex"? no exaggeration here, it literally is maybe 2 cutscenes with variable characters and 1 dialogue option, the same 3 colors with more bull**** from starchild that only answers questions with more questions, and a series of slideshow images (that yes... DO factor in your choices)... but it's a slideshow that's regular or colored green. and finally a final scene where they put your name on the memorial wall (oh but this character and this character and that character could or couldn't be there) yeah you know, that's extremely trivial, and certainly not 2 gigs worth of content for that one scene or whatever it was.

bottom line: this is NOT how I imagined in a million years this trilogy ending: in confusion and utter dissatisfaction.

Yes I mad. It's been 4 months and my butt still hurts from this literary spanking.

[The Twilight God]

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

 Would any writer make a "false" ending, then expand on that "false" ending, to make the "real" ending?

Because putting 3 months of time,money, and energy into a non-sensical, fan-fic theory that ruins player choice that is so heavily encouraged in a game like mass effect. 

1. Player choice has nothing to do with the endings to ME3.

2. ME3's endings are invalid. Two are choices only an indoctrinated would make and the 3rd ending is a self contradiction with the inclusion of the EC.

3. They didn't "work hard" to make the EC. It's just a bunch of retcons because Mac Walters invisioned a galactic wasteland ending and people got too loud about their anger.  The original endings were exactly what people made them out to be: a galactic apocalypse. There was never a misunderstanding. That's just PR bullsh*t. That's why they are so abrupt as not to make things more depressing by going into details of how Shepard killed more popel than the reaper ever would have. If they worked hard on the endings they would be fleshed out more and all the characters in this CHARACTER driven game wouldn't be left out in the cold.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 21 juillet 2012 - 04:35 .

[comrade gando]

The Twilight God wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

 Would any writer make a "false" ending, then expand on that "false" ending, to make the "real" ending?

Because putting 3 months of time,money, and energy into a non-sensical, fan-fic theory that ruins player choice that is so heavily encouraged in a game like mass effect. 

Player choice has nothing to do with the endings to ME3.

damn. that sums it up quite nicely twilight god. that sentence right there. the truth has been spoken.

[Geneaux486]

MegaSovereign wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I don't see why people would want to believe in IT. You're not getting any closure out of it.

Not anymore, at least. In its prime, the IT gave the most closure out of all potential outcomes.

Were you an IT believer before the EC?

You deserve to know that he's a troll.  He gets his kicks off of deliberately baiting people, by his own admission.

[Dusen]

Fauxnormal wrote...

The IT bothers people because IT whackos push it on everyone else left and right.

Plus, it's stupid. IF, for some asinine reason, Bioware said OH, BOTH THOSE EPILOUGES WERE FAKES at some point in the future, I'd shrug and say 'okay'.

But they aren't going to. Period. And I am content with things as they stand.

And getting really sick of the endless whining from the people who aren't, for that matter.

I don't see every thread on this forum obviously, but I have rarely ever seen anyone pushing IT on anyone else. If anything, its the pro-enders that have been pushing their "endings are emaculate" rhetoric onto the IT'ers.

[Dusen]

IntuitionJo wrote...

I'm going to say this. I support the IT. It's a good piece of writing and storytelling. It blows the crucible BS out of the water. It's a solid opening to a much better end to the series.

I also do not believe that it is true. I don't think anyone does at this point.

But what also baffles me is how stupid some people can be when interpreting what it stands for. Let me make this clear:

If the IT was true, then the idea is that there is MORE TO THE ENDING THAN THAT. After Shepard wakes up, staves off indoctrination, and whatnot... THERE'S MORE **** TO DO. How do people not get this? We're not saying that IT should be, "Okay. Shepard gets indoctrinated or not. The End. Go Home." While still better than the endings as they are, it's not satisfying in any way.

This^

[comrade gando]

Dusen wrote...

IntuitionJo wrote...

I'm going to say this. I support the IT. It's a good piece of writing and storytelling. It blows the crucible BS out of the water. It's a solid opening to a much better end to the series.

I also do not believe that it is true. I don't think anyone does at this point.

But what also baffles me is how stupid some people can be when interpreting what it stands for. Let me make this clear:

If the IT was true, then the idea is that there is MORE TO THE ENDING THAN THAT. After Shepard wakes up, staves off indoctrination, and whatnot... THERE'S MORE **** TO DO. How do people not get this? We're not saying that IT should be, "Okay. Shepard gets indoctrinated or not. The End. Go Home." While still better than the endings as they are, it's not satisfying in any way.

This^

there we go, IT is not THE ENDING, it is an expansion on wtf was up with those last 20 minutes. ignore all the oddities if you want, I believe the ending right now is not the true ending.

[Dusen]

comrade gando wrote...

Dusen wrote...

IntuitionJo wrote...

I'm going to say this. I support the IT. It's a good piece of writing and storytelling. It blows the crucible BS out of the water. It's a solid opening to a much better end to the series.

I also do not believe that it is true. I don't think anyone does at this point.

But what also baffles me is how stupid some people can be when interpreting what it stands for. Let me make this clear:

If the IT was true, then the idea is that there is MORE TO THE ENDING THAN THAT. After Shepard wakes up, staves off indoctrination, and whatnot... THERE'S MORE **** TO DO. How do people not get this? We're not saying that IT should be, "Okay. Shepard gets indoctrinated or not. The End. Go Home." While still better than the endings as they are, it's not satisfying in any way.

This^

there we go, IT is not THE ENDING, it is an expansion on wtf was up with those last 20 minutes. ignore all the oddities if you want, I believe the ending right now is not the true ending.

I wouldn't go as far as to agree with you, unfortunately I do believe that Bioware is going to leave us with those terrible endings. However, there is a very, VERY, slight, miniscule chance that they still have something up their sleeves, but as it stands for me now, ME is dead.

[wantedman dan]

Geneaux486 wrote...

You deserve to know that he's a troll.  He gets his kicks off of deliberately baiting people, by his own admission.

Still boohooing and lobbing ad hominem to justify your nonarguments.

Just because it is entertaining to me does not invalidate my opinion.

[ediskrad327]

it is as valid as any head canon

[Geneaux486]

wantedman dan wrote...
Still boohooing and lobbing ad hominem to justify your nonarguments..

What nonarguments?  I simply believe that people who don't know any better yet deserve to know how you roll, so I'll tell them.  Price you pay when you overplay your hand, goes back to the whole "can't have your cake and eat it to" thing.  Funnily enough most of them respond to me with "I already knew that." so in most cases your reputation precedes you.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 21 juillet 2012 - 05:25 .

[wantedman dan]

Geneaux486 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...
Still boohooing and lobbing ad hominem to justify your nonarguments..

What nonarguments?  I simply believe that people who don't know any better yet deserve to know how you roll, so I'll tell them.  Funnily enough most of them respond to me with "I already knew that." so in most cases your reputation precedes you.

What's adorably funny is how you nitpick the post when you find something that doesn't suit your agenda--well, in a twisted sort of sense it's such. The argument here is "HE A TROLL LAWL" despite no evidence to collaborate such aside from your obviously biased sense of such.

Am I to be threatened of, nay--not threatened, even concerned about your ambiguous--shall I call them "allies," "acquaintances?" Nah. It's pittance enough to know that you'd be willing enough to attempt to derail an actual serious discussion.

Care to post something on topic, as I have--and will continue to do, or are you going to whine more? As always, it's up to you. As for me, I've got more Voyager to catch up with.

Toodle-oo.

[ticklefist]

David7204 wrote...

Right now, the EC upgrades the endings from "Oh God, please no. Not like this. Don't let it end like this." to "Not good."

That's about right.

[Geneaux486]

wantedman dan wrote...
What's adorably funny is how you nitpick the post when you find something that doesn't suit your agenda

You admitted you like baiting people, and I'm spreading awareness of that.  No nitpicking, simple statement of fact.  If you find that disagreeable, stop doing it.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 21 juillet 2012 - 05:55 .

[Lord Goose]

The problem is, that at least in my explanation, IT is not an ending. Yes, Shepard may wake up, but that's next? The Reapers are still here, presumably protecting the beam, where is no way to get to the citadel and use Crucible.

[RiouHotaru]

MetioricTest wrote...

I'm always amazed at how much the IT bothers people.

If people want to believe it then let them, why does it matter?

I'd ask the same thing about all the Anti-Synthesis threads popping up everywhere.  What's the big deal?

[STEEEEVE]

Fauxnormal wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

The world's tiniest violin, let me play it for you.

Can't even come up with a coherent insult, now? Goodness. Logical fallacies seem to take their rather malicious toll rather quickly and severely with you.

Oh, you are cute. Clearly that delusion doesn't just extend to a video game.

Holy balls.  That guy asked for an original insult, and boy if you didnt give him one.  Five star post.

[Bill Casey]

RiouHotaru wrote...

I'd ask the same thing about all the Anti-Synthesis threads popping up everywhere.  What's the big deal?

They are arguing in favor of raping me...
And all life for all time...

Control, Destroy and Refuse all really suck horribly...
But Synthesis deserves every bit of flak it gets...
It's the only choice that is more evil than what the Star Child is currently doing...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 21 juillet 2012 - 07:50 .

[Geneaux486]

Bill Casey wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

I'd ask the same thing about all the Anti-Synthesis threads popping up everywhere.  What's the big deal?

They are arguing in favor of raping me...
And all life for all time...

Control, Destroy and Refuse all really suck horribly...
But Synthesis deserves every bit of flak it gets...
It's the only choice that is more evil than what the Star Child is currently doing...

None of the negative aspects of synthesis you cite in this post are actually present in the game.  I mean seriously, rape?  I see the morbid hyperbole hasn't been dampened by the EC.

[The Twilight God]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

I'd ask the same thing about all the Anti-Synthesis threads popping up everywhere.  What's the big deal?

They are arguing in favor of raping me...
And all life for all time...

Control, Destroy and Refuse all really suck horribly...
But Synthesis deserves every bit of flak it gets...
It's the only choice that is more evil than what the Star Child is currently doing...

None of the negative aspects of synthesis you cite in this post are actually present in the game.  I mean seriously, rape?  I see the morbid hyperbole hasn't been dampened by the EC.

None of that matters. Neither control or synthesis endings actually take place. They are just hallucinations within Shepard's own mind as he is disintegrated. Both choices are made by an indoctrinated Shepard (and Refusal as well). They presentation of Control and Synthesis was beyond horrible if the endings are supposed to be taken seriously. Derp, Reapers say suiciding myself will save the galaxy. Deeerp. OK. Instead of the stargazer there should be a Critical Failure message after credits.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 21 juillet 2012 - 03:19 .

[I_eat_unicorns]

The Twilight God wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

 Would any writer make a "false" ending, then expand on that "false" ending, to make the "real" ending?

Because putting 3 months of time,money, and energy into a non-sensical, fan-fic theory that ruins player choice that is so heavily encouraged in a game like mass effect. 

1. Player choice has nothing to do with the endings to ME3.

2. ME3's endings are invalid. Two are choices only an indoctrinated would make and the 3rd ending is a self contradiction with the inclusion of the EC.

3. They didn't "work hard" to make the EC. It's just a bunch of retcons because Mac Walters invisioned a galactic wasteland ending and people got too loud about their anger.  The original endings were exactly what people made them out to be: a galactic apocalypse. There was never a misunderstanding. That's just PR bullsh*t. That's why they are so abrupt as not to make things more depressing by going into details of how Shepard killed more popel than the reaper ever would have. If they worked hard on the endings they would be fleshed out more and all the characters in this CHARACTER driven game wouldn't be left out in the cold.

You are being incredibly naive. Mass effect is an rpg game, despite it's transition to a more action-rpg into me3, it is still a game that focuses on player choice. In me 1 the player could have saved the council, or let them die. me2 had save the collector base, or destroy it, and the four endings in me3. Even though we were promised 16 different endings and didn't get them, it still goes to show how much player choice plays into a game like mass effect. 

And those "two" choices are not indoctriination, synthesis is terrible, but control could actually be a canon ending. And besides, this thread isn't about proving IT or not,  
this is about why it's clearly improbable to apply to the series at this point, but IT supporters get pissy because they can't defend their positions on why it's logical Bioware would do it , so they revert back to the over-speculated so-called "facts" and then tell me I lose credibility if I can't disprove them. It would never work that way because delusional people like IT supporters will keep arguing back/forth and it's not even worth the energy of going into every single bit of detail when the ec dlc epilogues shut down the IT. You've got to look at the bigger picture of how Bioware would implement a theory that hurts the series.

And yes, it's entirely reasonable that the ec had slideshows, considering the fact that animations take a long time to make and I seriously doubt the ENTIRE Bioware corporation worked on the ec dlc, when it was probably something like a small team working under the 2gb limit.

The slideshows showed plenty of character closure, maybe not as much as we'd all hoped, but kasumi with gray box/zaeed on beach/wrex building society for krogans were pretty satsfying to me and other players. Our squad was in the funeral scene and we could have gotten more, but given the limtations I mentioned above, the slideshows were understandable. 

You also avoided my question: "
 Would any writer make a "false" ending, then expand on that "false" ending, to make the "real" ending?" 

I think you're just mad you didn't get the ending you wanted, and you can't accept that. 

[Geneaux486]

The Twilight God wrote...
None of that matters. Neither control or synthesis endings actually take place. They are just hallucinations within Shepard's own mind as he is disintegrated. Both choices are made by an indoctrinated Shepard (and Refusal as well). They presentation of Control and Synthesis was beyond horrible if the endings are supposed to be taken seriously. Derp, Reapers say suiciding myself will save the galaxy. Deeerp. OK. Instead of the stargazer there should be a Critical Failure message after credits.

I like the IT fanfiction, but it's just that, a fanfiction.  All three choices are real, all three are stated and shown to end the Reaper threat.  Them being horrible is an opinion I happen to disagree with, but that's beside the point.

[MetioricTest]

Geneaux486 wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...
None of that matters. Neither control or synthesis endings actually take place. They are just hallucinations within Shepard's own mind as he is disintegrated. Both choices are made by an indoctrinated Shepard (and Refusal as well). They presentation of Control and Synthesis was beyond horrible if the endings are supposed to be taken seriously. Derp, Reapers say suiciding myself will save the galaxy. Deeerp. OK. Instead of the stargazer there should be a Critical Failure message after credits.

I like the IT fanfiction, but it's just that, a fanfiction.  All three choices are real, all three are stated and shown to end the Reaper threat.  Them being horrible is an opinion I happen to disagree with, but that's beside the point.

Every ending is fanfiction since we're told nothing.

[Geneaux486]

MetioricTest wrote...
Every ending is fanfiction since we're told nothing.

Post-EC all three endings come with a detailed description of what the effects will be and multiple cinematics detailing the aftermaths of the choices.  Your statement is contradicted by the game itself.  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you haven't played the EC yet.  You should, it's free and there's always the chance that you might like it.  Hope you'll find something to like about it at least, genuinelly do feel bad about the fact that so many people were dissapointed with the ending.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 21 juillet 2012 - 04:28 .