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[Maclimes]

 I think Bioware has largely abandoned this forum, because we've all resorted to just repeating the same arguments over and over and over and over. 

Believe it or not, Bioware, this is actually a positive sign. It means, despite whatever sense of loss or dissapointment the community felt, we're still at least interested. Even if pessimistic, we're at least curious enough to stick around and see what comes next.

So GIVE US SOMETHING ALREADY.

Give us something new to talk about. Even if you don't have everything set in stone, I'm sure there's more than just vague information about "Companion armor customization."

Here's the deal: We want to know more. We are interested in the continued future of the Dragon Age franchise, so we hang around these forums. But since we have nothing new to discuss, since no information has been released, we have nothing to say except repeat the same old arguments and opinions, over and over until we explode.

So at least give us something. Something we can sink our teeth into, and really talk about. At least put some arguments to rest. Something. Anything.

I NEED MORE. *twitch*

[David Gaider]

nightscrawl wrote...
There really isn't anything new to talk about, and there won't be any new DLC or DA2 content (barring any minor patches to fix remaining problems). All of the same topics keep getting rehashed: mages vs templars, voiced vs non-voiced with a wheel or a list, companion sexuality, race inclusion, and perhaps one or two other minor things I left out.

Yes, a black-out period such as this can be a frustrating time if you're waiting for information. We can't go into detail regarding unannounced projects (regardless of how much people think they already know about them)... and, quite frankly, it wouldn't be a good idea at this point. You might say "well tell me just a little bit!" ...but we all know how this works, don't we?

Anything we say, if not comprehensive, will only engender misinterpretations and speculations galore, along with questions and demands for explanations and then questions about those explanations and then people reacting to speculation as if it's the truth and demanding we prove it's not and how dare we not spend our time assuaging their concerns... the list really goes on. So when we say we intend to wait until we're both able to talk and until we're able to show what we're talking about, we mean it. And that's really for the best, especially for the DA franchise, even if we feel for those who are keen to know more.

Insofar as the forums go, a black-out period is expected to be dead. There's nothing new to discuss, after all, so only the old issues get rehashed. And, yes, I imagine it gets tiring to see all those old arguments trotted out by the same dozen posters time after time in multiple threads with different titles. I'm not sure if those posters think we can't tell that they're the same people, or it just doesn't matter to them and they feel compelled to make sure their opinion is heard in every possible venue just in case someone hasn't been bludgeoned with it yet, but either way it's not unexpected-- once there's new stuff to reveal, you'll have people appearing once again. Never fear.

The cycle shall continue.

Modifié par David Gaider, 23 juillet 2012 - 05:11 .

[David Gaider]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Step 1: Complain about BioWare not giving us ANYTHING.

Step 2: After BioWare gives us something, wildly speculate based on partial information. Just imagine the worst possible scenario and assume it's true.

Step 3: Demand BioWare fix the horrible things you've imagined. If BioWare doesn't deny your rampant speculation, that's proof you're right!

Step 4: Continue complaining until someone from BioWare mentions you don't have all the information.

Step 5: Complain about BioWare not giving the fans enough information

Repeat Steps 2-5 every time any sort of new info come out until... RELEASE IS ALMOST HERE AND THE FLOODGATES OPEN.

Step 6: Complain about too many spoilers on the forums. Demand the mods keep out all this information as it's ruining your forum going and you might have to leave!

Gosh, Maria, it's like you've been here before.

[David Gaider]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
I find these to be the most productive periods.

That doesn't surprise me.

And framing an old argument in a new way might reach someone who previously didn't fid that argument compelling.

Sure. The part I always find curious, however, is the utter panic that some people seem to feel whenever a point gets raised... as if, unless that point was THOROUGHLY AND IMMEDIATELY CRUSHED we developers might stumble upon it and unwittingly think that was what everyone thought and take it as gospel. This being, of course, the ubiquitous "everyone" that gets trotted about in place of personal opinion on these forums.

The truth, of course, is that we're fully aware of whose opinions they are. There are no doubt many out there who feel the same way, and many who do not-- and very likely the vast majority of DA players don't have opinions anything like the people who spend time on a game's forum more than a year after release. That doesn't mean they're worthless, it just means that someone's better off explaining how they feel rather than trying to represent "everyone". If you're here because you enjoy the discussion and might occasionally engage a dev in your conversation, then you're fine.

If you're here, however, because you think that changing the prevailing opinion on the forums is the make-or-break way to determine what future DA games will be... then you're bound to be disappointed.

Modifié par David Gaider, 23 juillet 2012 - 05:27 .

[David Gaider]

Provi-dance wrote...
Although, it's curious that you often invoke this "huge silent majority", repeating that the people discussing the game on this forum are only a tiny fraction of DA players etc. etc. Personally.. I'd be happy if there were people passionate enough to discuss a product I helped develop, offer suggestions, ideas.. I wouldn't repeat over and over again "you're just a tiny fraction". It's pointless and they're probably aware of that, already.

I'd be more confident of their awareness if so many of them weren't constantly invoking how "everyone" feels, based on what they see here on the forums or on other gaming forums.

I'm not saying the "silent majority" is proof of anything. I'm just saying that nobody knows how they feel, and that assuming they feel the same as people who are dedicated enough to spend their time complaining on a game's forum a year after release is as silly as assuming none of them do.

And for all you know, David, this "huge silent majority" could have forgotten about this game the next day after they played it, locked it in the closet forever or simply used it sporadically as an example of why today's "RPG"s are what they are.

"But there are people who haven't voted!!"
Who cares? They obviously don't.

If this were a democracy, that might work. Someone coming to the forums, however, is not them "voting" on the game. They will express their opinions, and we'll listen while taking them with a grain of salt. I imagine that, in the absense of contradictory opinions (more contradictory than the opinions on these forums, I suppose, which rarely agree despite the prevalence of group-think), forum folks would like us to take what they say as gospel, but that's simply never going to happen. Sorry. Opinions offered here are useful feedback, and will inform our decisions. They cannot dictate them.