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[txgoldrush]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Soltana wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Soltana wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

D24O wrote...

IIRC they actually forgot he was a romance option.

No, they didn't...in fact Thanes death closes the romance well.

Nice try

"Yeah, I wasn’t in charge of Thane, but I see Thane’s death situation as one of those things that’s the drawback of a large writing team. Lots of followers talk about the Citadel Event in terms of what happens with the VS, but because Thane was optional, it didn’t click with any of us that the player could also have just lost a friend or loved one THERE as well. That was a dropped ball on our end." - Patrick Weekes

GTFO

However, fans still reacted positively to the death scene itself.

Nevermind that Thane died on his own terms, so its less tragic for the crew.

And there is a FINAL email from him.

We're talking from a romance perspective here...
Nevermind that Thane is suddenly so at peace with his death when in his romance scene he explicitly states he's afraid to die. That hardly closes it well. Those few extra lines and e-mail were tacked on as an afterthought. No rational human being can sit there and tell me what they did with Thane was awesome when even one of the writers comes forward and admits it's FUBAR.

As a non-thanemancer, his death fit with my level of investment. But for others, it's totally understandable.

However, that was ME2...this is ME3. He is closer to death so his persepctive changes. Its character development.

All Weekes talks about was the reactions with the other crew.

I normally don't get involved in Thane discussions, I have to speak up.

It's not the problem that his perspective may change. Of course it can. However, it is simply not explored in the game. There is very little content from Thane, and dialogue from romanced Thane from ME2 was disregarded for the most part. That's what the complaint is about. If Thane changed his perspective on life and death in ME3, it's fine, but it shouldn't be just all of a sudden.

However, ME2 was 6 months ago...he is in a different situation now, nevermind Kolyat. There is no disregarding here...the letter clearly implies that he has found peace in his love for Shepard (an this is after ME2 romance, not ME3, the email is supposed to be released when he dies)

[Virginian]

He didn't die fighting. If he died fighting you wouldn't have had the hospital scene afterwards.

[krasnoarmeets]

Virginian wrote...

He didn't die fighting. If he died fighting you wouldn't have had the hospital scene afterwards.

He died sooner than he would have as a result of his wounds. Mostly due to blood loss.

[Galifreya]

"How bad is it?" That was the most offensive thing. I almost thought he was going to say, "I'm DYING, YOU FOOL!" Then there was the barely audible "Thane!" right as he gets stabbed. THIS IS NOT AN ACCURATE REACTION. When your significant other is stabbed in the gut, your reaction isn't muted. And you definitely don't ask them, "How bad is it?" in such a dead pan manner. It clearly showed that the writers didn't give two craps about people who might have romanced him.

Modifié par Gallifreya, 21 juillet 2012 - 02:53 .

[Kataphrut94]

My first playthrough was with a romanced Thane, so I didn't know there was such minor change between a romanced and non romanced playthrough. That said, I was still genuinely sad when he died, particularly after getting that last goodbye message later.

[krasnoarmeets]

Gallifreya wrote...

"How bad is it?" That was the most offensive thing. I almost thought he was going to say, "I'm DYING, YOU FOOL!" Then there was the barely audible "Thane!" right as he gets stabbed. THIS IS NOT AN ACCURATE REACTION. When your significant other is stabbed in the gut, your reaction isn't muted. And you definitely don't ask them, "How bad is it?" in such a dead pan manner. It clearly showed that the writers didn't give two craps about people who might have romances him.

Agreed. Then again, Shep's reaction to Ash/Kaidan being injured by the plotbot was uniform regardless of whether they were your LI or not. Liara's initial reception on Mars was also uniform. Shep's greeting for Thane in Huerta Memorial rocked though.

Modifié par krasnoarmeets, 21 juillet 2012 - 02:23 .

[txmn1016]

I'm not a Thanemancer but I can sympathize. You get all of three dialogue options with him in ME3. I.e., does it hurt, how long to have to life, come with me. This is the case whether you romance him or not. So pretty much the only difference between a playthrough where you romanced him and one where you didn't is you get to kiss him in one. You don't get the paramour achievement and he'll never kiss you again. He also has no new conversation options until he kicks the bucket. So yeah. Considering he was such a popular LI in ME2, I was surprised at how little effort was put into his particular romance.

[krasnoarmeets]

I found the new LIs quite bland. I thought the flirting with James was quite funny, especially when you call him on it.

[WarGriffin]

krasnoarmeets wrote...

I found the new LIs quite bland. I thought the flirting with James was quite funny, especially when you call him on it.

Cortez is the only one with any substance.... though his does comes off as a rebound >.>
Allers is clearly you just renacting a scene from an Adult holo movie
and Traynor is... the most spontantous lesyay ever.

The only ones with any real effort into them are ME1's, Garrus and Tali -though Tali apparently isn't important enough to have her face revealed ingame in an actaully cutscene-

The Rest of the ME2... well Jacob's Kanye, Thane dies barely mourned, Jack and Miranda get treated like after thoughts.


You might as well have just stayed Single

[Legbiter]

Because there are a LOT of social shut-ins out there & teenagers fiending on Bioware's romance plots. It's the fulcrum of their gaming experience. The Reapers and all that are just a minor sideshow.

You learn to first hold them in amused contempt before becoming entirely indifferent to their emo pleas.

Segregating the very worst and saddest impulses of their kind in the Romance forum ghetto has shielded countless souls.

[Galifreya]

WarGriffin wrote...

krasnoarmeets wrote...

I found the new LIs quite bland. I thought the flirting with James was quite funny, especially when you call him on it.

Cortez is the only one with any substance.... though his does comes off as a rebound >.>
Allers is clearly you just renacting a scene from an Adult holo movie
and Traynor is... the most spontantous lesyay ever.

The only ones with any real effort into them are ME1's, Garrus and Tali -though Tali apparently isn't important enough to have her face revealed ingame in an actaully cutscene-

The Rest of the ME2... well Jacob's Kanye, Thane dies barely mourned, Jack and Miranda get treated like after thoughts.


You might as well have just stayed Single

I think they kind of wanted to railroad everyone into romancing Liara.

[NKKKK]

7he Island Head wrote...

Argetfalcon wrote...

 People I liked Thane also but it was made perfectly clear in ME2 that he was dying. If you thought he was gonna have a bigger role you were kidding yourself. And frankly I find it more appealing that he died fighting. There are many issues with ME3 but this shouldn't be one of them.

It reminded of when Batman dies in the Dark Knight Rises

You can go straight to hell.

[txmn1016]

Gallifreya wrote...

WarGriffin wrote...

krasnoarmeets wrote...

I found the new LIs quite bland. I thought the flirting with James was quite funny, especially when you call him on it.

Cortez is the only one with any substance.... though his does comes off as a rebound >.>
Allers is clearly you just renacting a scene from an Adult holo movie
and Traynor is... the most spontantous lesyay ever.

The only ones with any real effort into them are ME1's, Garrus and Tali -though Tali apparently isn't important enough to have her face revealed ingame in an actaully cutscene-

The Rest of the ME2... well Jacob's Kanye, Thane dies barely mourned, Jack and Miranda get treated like after thoughts.


You might as well have just stayed Single

I think they kind of wanted to railroad everyone into romancing Liara.

Judging by the boderline softcore-pornish romance scene I'd say you're probably right.

[WarGriffin]

txmn1016 wrote...

Gallifreya wrote...

WarGriffin wrote...

krasnoarmeets wrote...

I found the new LIs quite bland. I thought the flirting with James was quite funny, especially when you call him on it.

Cortez is the only one with any substance.... though his does comes off as a rebound >.>
Allers is clearly you just renacting a scene from an Adult holo movie
and Traynor is... the most spontantous lesyay ever.

The only ones with any real effort into them are ME1's, Garrus and Tali -though Tali apparently isn't important enough to have her face revealed ingame in an actaully cutscene-

The Rest of the ME2... well Jacob's Kanye, Thane dies barely mourned, Jack and Miranda get treated like after thoughts.


You might as well have just stayed Single

I think they kind of wanted to railroad everyone into romancing Liara.

Judging by the boderline softcore-pornish romance scene I'd say you're probably right.

Liara was only interesting when she was cute innocent and idealistic... Now she's just cold and aloof.


though the make you romance Liara thing is probably closer to the truth, seeing that Shepard is less of the player avatar and more a written Character

Mac really wanted you to play his version of  ME3

Modifié par WarGriffin, 21 juillet 2012 - 03:07 .

[krasnoarmeets]

And he shall forever reside in gamer hell as a consequence

[Twilight_Princess]

txgoldrush wrote...

Soltana wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

D24O wrote...

IIRC they actually forgot he was a romance option.

No, they didn't...in fact Thanes death closes the romance well.

Nice try

"Yeah, I wasn’t in charge of Thane, but I see Thane’s death situation as one of those things that’s the drawback of a large writing team. Lots of followers talk about the Citadel Event in terms of what happens with the VS, but because Thane was optional, it didn’t click with any of us that the player could also have just lost a friend or loved one THERE as well. That was a dropped ball on our end." - Patrick Weekes

GTFO

However, fans still reacted positively to the death scene itself.

Nevermind that Thane died on his own terms, so its less tragic for the crew.

And there is a FINAL email from him.

Someone shows you evidence that the new ME3 writers GOT IT WRONG after you just insisted that they didn't and your only reply is "well fans liked that he died!"  
 
Your topic is THANE'S ROMANCE yes? Not if he should have died or not and not how the majority took the death scene since most wouldn't have romanced him anyway.  Your topic is in the form of the question so do you actually want to hear the reasons or not? Look you aren't the first person to not romance Thane or care about it and  then make a post why you don't GET what the big deal is. 

You asked "Why are so there so many upset about Thane's romance?"

So people tell you one of the many reasons why the romance sucked .  "The new writers forgot he was a romance" is one of them.

What I find strange is the following that happens (and this happens a lot in Thane topics). The OP pretends to know what the romancer is talking about for some weird reason and insists the reason isn't true "no they didn't!" . Then when proof is shown they change the subject!

If the writers ADMIT they f***ked up (something they rarely do regarding ME3) then the romance can't have been done well...do you understand this? 

Don't defend the romance without doing your homework first or else you'll look silly is all I'm saying.

Oh and The email was copy and pasted from ME2 you also would have known that if you romanced him

[WarGriffin]

krasnoarmeets wrote...

And he shall forever reside in gamer hell as a consequence

Hey that's a little harsh... it's not like he did ultima IX

[o Ventus]

Because they put every effort into ignoring the numerous potential treatments Thane could have gotten to stave off his disease.

[krasnoarmeets]

WarGriffin wrote...

krasnoarmeets wrote...

And he shall forever reside in gamer hell as a consequence

Hey that's a little harsh... it's not like he did ultima IX

Lulz

o Ventus wrote...

Because they put every effort into
ignoring the numerous potential treatments Thane could have gotten to
stave off his disease.

I would say they more likely put no effort into applying the numerous possible treatments available. Wait. That sounds like an ointment for a personal itch...

Modifié par krasnoarmeets, 21 juillet 2012 - 03:30 .

[dreman9999]

Your kidding right. It was barley anything. You just make out and....sit in a hospital louge chair.The death scene is fine but everything involving romance before that sucks.

[krasnoarmeets]

dreman9999 wrote...

Your kidding right. It was barley anything. You just make out and....sit in a hospital louge chair.The death scene is fine but everything involving romance before that sucks.

The makeout scene was the only other highlight

[WarGriffin]

o Ventus wrote...

Because they put every effort into ignoring the numerous potential treatments Thane could have gotten to stave off his disease.

I think somewhere along the lines and if you look at Weekes comment on the large writing team


ME3 was written by two different camps

one camp was continueing from your choices in ME1&2 and the Other wanted to Write THIER version of Shepard's tale and Have this "deep"  "impactful" conclusion of a story.

-The Fact they Say Kai is suppose to be your rival and he A: isn't written like or B; Treated liked it -

With Thane

Your Choices matter and the players older actions will come into play... is contradicted by statements like with Thane

"The Team felt Thane dying from his illness was the only fitting end"

It is essentially saying your Choices matter... up till we want to do something different and don't want to write a bunch of scenarios to outcomes we feel are "unfitting"

[txmn1016]

dreman9999 wrote...

Your kidding right. It was barley anything. You just make out and....sit in a hospital louge chair.The death scene is fine but everything involving romance before that sucks.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there very little difference (if any) in te actual death scene depending on whether you romance him or not?  I can't remember there being anything different about it.  Seems like a bit of an oversight.

[dreman9999]

txmn1016 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Your kidding right. It was barley anything. You just make out and....sit in a hospital louge chair.The death scene is fine but everything involving romance before that sucks.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there very little difference (if any) in te actual death scene depending on whether you romance him or not?  I can't remember there being anything different about it.  Seems like a bit of an oversight.

There is a huge difference if you romace him. The comments before and after the prayer are different. And being a female add a "her" to the prayer. Be romance with his adds a sadden look the Shepard when the comment"Were a lover never leaves" pop up in the prayer.

[dreman9999]

WarGriffin wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Because they put every effort into ignoring the numerous potential treatments Thane could have gotten to stave off his disease.

I think somewhere along the lines and if you look at Weekes comment on the large writing team


ME3 was written by two different camps

one camp was continueing from your choices in ME1&2 and the Other wanted to Write THIER version of Shepard's tale and Have this "deep"  "impactful" conclusion of a story.

-The Fact they Say Kai is suppose to be your rival and he A: isn't written like or B; Treated liked it -

With Thane

Your Choices matter and the players older actions will come into play... is contradicted by statements like with Thane

"The Team felt Thane dying from his illness was the only fitting end"

It is essentially saying your Choices matter... up till we want to do something different and don't want to write a bunch of scenarios to outcomes we feel are "unfitting"

Why do people keep thinking Kia is Shepard rival? That's not the case. He just TIM's go to guy that wants to one up Shepard.

Add, your choices do matter in ME3.