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[wildannie]

txgoldrush wrote...

Emeraldfern wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Your kidding right. It was barley anything. You just make out and....sit in a hospital louge chair.The death scene is fine but everything involving romance before that sucks.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there very little difference (if any) in te actual death scene depending on whether you romance him or not?  I can't remember there being anything different about it.  Seems like a bit of an oversight.

There is a huge difference if you romace him. The comments before and after the prayer are different. And being a female add a "her" to the prayer. Be romance with his adds a sadden look the Shepard when the comment"Were a lover never leaves" pop up in the prayer.

I don't mean to be rude, but that's incorrect; it is the exact same face irregardless of the romance:

Non-romance:

Romance:

The only differences in the death scene are a couple of lines Thane and Shepard say and Shepard's closing words.

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Phrases:
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Non-romance:
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Thane: Commander I'm afraid I won't be joining you again.
Shepard: You've done more than enough, Thane.
Thane: That assassin should be embarassed. A terminally ill drell managed to stop him from reaching his target.
Shepard: I'll pass the word along.

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Romance:
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Thane: Siha, I'm afraid I've picked a bad time to leave
Shepard: You couldn't disappoint me Thane. Not even now.
Thane: Such pleasant things from your lips. Excuse me. Breathing is difficult.
Thane: Siha, It will be soon. I need to know if the councilor survived.

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Shepard's closing words:
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Non-romance:
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Shepard: Goodbye Thane. You won't be alone long.

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Romance:
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Shepard: Goodbye Thane. Meet you across the sea.

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With that said, I suppose I'll add my own thoughts on this topic then. 
This is probably tl;dr for some, but I honestly can't sum up my thoughts more concisely than this atm:

Like most fans I love Mass Effect 1 and 2. I love the setting, the characters, the lore, the design and the way the gameplay worked. I've played through Mass Effect 1 and 2 many times and I thoroughly enjoyed every single one of my playthroughs.

I can't say the same for the third installment. I didn't finish that playthrough. And I haven't touched ME3 since.
(I watched my brothers full playthrough)

And naturally my imported playthrough into ME3 was the one I after, many playthroughs in ME1 and ME2, considered to be the most engaging and interesting one for me.
The chosen LI and a big part of the reason that playthrough stood above the rest for me, was Thane.

Did I know that Thane had Kepral's Syndrome? Of course I did.

But I also knew the following by the end of Mass Effect 2:

• Thane himself said that the hanar were working on a cure.

• Thane said he was going to be "fine" as in combat-ready for another 8-12 months.

• Kepral's Syndrome occurs because the drell can't adapt to Kahje's humid conditions. It manifests as bacterial infections and causes lesions to the lungs, it is similar to CF in RL.

• Thane confesses "he is afraid of dying" when romanced. I.e. he quit searching for death. The letter from Thane in LoTSB emphasizes on this further.

• Thane was eligible for a lung-transplant. He turned it down before any attempts to romance him.

• Kolyat's fate was either positive/negative depending on the outcome of Thane's Loyalty Mission.

• Shepard shows genuine concern for Thane. And Thane is equally concerned about Shepard.

• Thane is upfront about his past with Irikah.

　

And what happens six months later in Mass Effect 3?
 
When Thane inquires why Shepard is at Huerta, she says she is there to see the VS despite actually getting a message that Thane was at Huerta. Waddya mean I came here to see you Thane? Nah, VS is where it's at bro.

Thane is crippled from Kepral's Syndrome and says "My favorite doctor gave me three months to live. Nine months ago" - Huh, what happened to the timeline?

If Kaidan was previously romanced, Thane inquires wether there is "Something he should know about". Shepard's response is to turn her back to Thane and admit "We were together for awhile before the last Normandy was destroyed" as if she was ashamed of it. Why can't she be upfront about a past lover when Thane was completely upfront about Irikah in Mass Effect 2?

Thane doesn't even mention the lung-transplant. Shepard can't even inquire about it. In fact she can't inquire what treatments are available at all. Which any loved one would do in that situation instead of going "Oh ok, bai Thane".

Thane is suddenly totally chill about dying again. Which again, Shepard can't inquire about. Which to be frank, is extremely odd.

Thane shows very little to no interest in regards to the interstellar warfare going on. Look Siha, I know you are currently burdened with the task of defeating the Reapers but meh, I'm not interested sorry.

What happened to Kolyat? When a romance is carried over, it's not possible to inquire about Kolyat.

Kepral's Syndrome is suddenly effecting the blood's ability to carry oxygen akin to Sickle-Cell in RL. Lol wut? Thats completely different from ME2...what happened?

Oh, "Private Time" what is... O.o what was...did Shepard and Thane just make out in a public place? And what was that sound she made? I just...What's this I don't even...

When the Cerberus coup occurs, Thane intervenes for "awsum ninja-fite" and Shepard stands ildly like an idiot. Really?

Thane is stabbed; "How bad is it?" Oooh! Look, Kai Leng! Ok Thane, thx bai! What the...What in BLUE BLISTERING BARNACLES!

Then Thane is rushed to the hospital, and dies not from the wound itself technically, but from blood-loss.- Wait, if Thane was suffering from something that causes oxygen to not form correctly in his blood, he would need blood transfusions constantly, and the hospital in which he is a resident patient, doesn't have enough drell blood? Wut?
"It seems no one will mourn me when I die" And nobody did. Not even Shepard did. Garrus completely ignores the fact that Thane's name was added to the memorial, in favor of talking about the VS. And any other character that knew Thane doesn't mention him either, Joker, Edi, Chakwas, Tali none. Only Kai Leng mentions Thane again apart from the "That was for Thane you SOB" a phrase that can just as easily say Miranda/Kirrahee instead.
　

And as far as for hoping for a cure is concerned:

The "Cure Thane" group on BSN had a rather large following of both Sihas and Thane-bros.

The "Cure Thane" banner, a collobarative work, was well-recieved by Bioware. In response Bioware launched the "Cure Thane" Facebook event. More than one thousand participated.

As mentioned previously, Thane was eligible for a lung-transplant, whereas it would not cure him, it would extend his life long enough for the conclusion of the ME3 plot, and head-canon fills in the rest regarding cure/death.
Yes, Thane initially turned it down. Keep in mind though that he did this prior to both his loyalty mission and any romance attempt.

The mention of the "Eupolmos Device" dubbed a "medi-gel for the lungs", was mentioned on the Cerberus News. And to whom would that be most interesting? Thanemancers? Nah../sarcasm

And, as also mentioned previously, the hanar were working on adapting the drell. If the ME3 plot centers around how Shepard gains inter-stellar support from the different species/factions against the Reapers, logic follows that the drell/hanar aren't excluded. And what would be the obvious topic for the drell/hanar? Kepral's.

Considering the above, it wasn't more far-fetched to expect a scenario involving a treatment/cure for Kepral's anymore than it was far-fetched to expect a conclusion on the Genophage, the Quarian/Geth conflict, the involvement of the Rachni etc.

I for one, expected some kind of choice in regards to Thane.

And the fact that ME3 touches on none of the already established material with regards to Kepral's in ME2, was to put it mildly, disappointing.

Thane's design and character was written with female fans in mind, to blatantly disregard these fans when writing the sequel is imo, not exactly endearing at all to fans.

So am I happy camper? No. Absolutely not.

I frankly didn't expect for something that was previously written in a mature tone with underlying themes of overcoming one's physical inhibitions, that one deserves life and love irregardless of your past mistakes, to suddenly become incoherent with borderline juvenile behavior on Shepard's behalf.

And in a game where player choice is a pivotal element to both gameplay and story, the fact that it was absent in regards to Thane in ME3 sucked big time.

Just my 2'cs.

*Emeraldfern out*

[Edit] Forgot to mention the lack of response on Thane's death by the other Squadmates/Crew. Fixed format *derp*

Wow....whiney whiney, nevermind the fact that Thane gave his life to save the Councilor.....I wonder what Shep and his crew are doing, I know, protecting the councilor. Please your problem is Thane isn't cured and you just don't like it...boo hoo, get over it.
[*]And please....."siha" obviously has a romantic connotation as is "meet you across the sea".

[*]Wow! It is amazing how deftly you can answer detailed well thought out arguments with utter drivel, you really have a great talent... I don't think you have ever disappointed me with anything sensible yet... keep up the good work![*]
[*]@emeraldfern great points, it is a shame that some can't be bothered to engage with them.

Modifié par wildannie, 21 juillet 2012 - 09:08 .

[elegolas1]

I have an issue with the noise femshep makes when she and thane kiss. Like he slipped something in.
But seriously they butchered the me2 romances.

[Vlk3]

Xeyska wrote...


Problem is Thane's so called "romance" is not one. It doesn't exist in ME3.

firel wrote...

The animation was completely lifted off the Jack/MShep makeout scene, which is why it looked so out of character/place.

Ok, now I have to see this.

Jack/MaleShep kiss.
Thane/FemShep kiss.

Yep, it's a straight rip off.

I didn't know that... what the hell? Can't we even get our own romance scene?

I think OP just needs to think a little before starting any thread. Obviously he didn't even bother checking how the romance looked.

And to those who say something about being emo and whining. You know nothing about me or people you just judged.
You enjoyed your game? Fine. We didn't. And we have a lot of reasons.
You want a quality games in future?
Stop hating on people who fight for better content in games. ME3 should be a game, where your choices matter. Mine didn't.

It's fine you got what you wanted in game. hanemancers got shafted, that's a fact.. And Thane's death isn't the only reason.

One more thing: A lot of people have multiple playthroughs but only one canon or favourite. Their romance, their choises, their history is the most important. I don't care this much what happens to my other Sheps romancing other characters. My canon Shep is romancing Thane and her story cannot be finished. So if you say one of your Shep romanced Thane and it was fine, try to think what would happen if your main Shep, the most important, romanced character, who dies no matter what, who isn't mourned, who got compeltely out of place romance scene copied from other characters.

We didn't choose Thane because he was ill and we hoped he will die in"heartbreaking and dramatic" way.
We chose him, because he was most appealing to our Sheps. Our choices should matter.

Modifié par Vlk3, 21 juillet 2012 - 09:37 .

[Nixter Shepard]

I think a lot of the problem stems from the fact that there is little to no interaction between him and Shepard throughout the game.
I still think Jack and Jacob got the worst treatment.

[Nixter Shepard]

Squeegee83 wrote...

Nixter Shepard wrote...

I think a lot of the problem stems from the fact that there is little to no interaction between him and Shepard throughout the game.
I still think Jack and Jacob got the worst treatment.

I have to disagree, fully but respectably. Thane and Jacob ended up with the worst romance. Not because Thane died... but because BioWare really treated their female players badly.

At least Jack/Miranda got a mission. I got "coughed" at in the game and then he dies. There is a big difference. They even used the same animation for Jack's make out scene for Thane. The whole thing was just garbage.

I agree. Thane was given barely any time to be with Shepard and then dies abruptly. It is particularly odd for Bioware to do this as he was one of ME2's most popular characters. Jacob I believe was just a victim of being the least popular squadmate and LI in ME2 thus letting Bioware slap together something for him.

My personal gripe with Jack's romance was that it never goes anywhere. You dance together in Purgatory and you don't see or hear from her until the final mission. At least with Than and Jacob there was some kind of conclusion... not good ones, but they were still there. Jack's romance just felt empty to me, which stinks as I found hers in ME2 to be the most interesting, but that's just me. 

[wildannie]

Nixter Shepard wrote...

Squeegee83 wrote...

Nixter Shepard wrote...

I think a lot of the problem stems from the fact that there is little to no interaction between him and Shepard throughout the game.
I still think Jack and Jacob got the worst treatment.

I have to disagree, fully but respectably. Thane and Jacob ended up with the worst romance. Not because Thane died... but because BioWare really treated their female players badly.

At least Jack/Miranda got a mission. I got "coughed" at in the game and then he dies. There is a big difference. They even used the same animation for Jack's make out scene for Thane. The whole thing was just garbage.

I agree. Thane was given barely any time to be with Shepard and then dies abruptly. It is particularly odd for Bioware to do this as he was one of ME2's most popular characters. Jacob I believe was just a victim of being the least popular squadmate and LI in ME2 thus letting Bioware slap together something for him.

My personal gripe with Jack's romance was that it never goes anywhere. You dance together in Purgatory and you don't see or hear from her until the final mission. At least with Than and Jacob there was some kind of conclusion... not good ones, but they were still there. Jack's romance just felt empty to me, which stinks as I found hers in ME2 to be the most interesting, but that's just me. 

I completely agree that BW shafted Jack and Miranda, but, for me, the fact that you get content with your LI at the final mission (however poor) makes it better treated.  I would have been content enough playing through much of the game with my shep knowing Thane was alive, and having a small reunion pre final mission, than having to RP a bereavement that the game content does not allow...'that was for Thane you son of a ****' really doesn't cut it.  There needed to be MUCH more to pull a bereavement off successfully.  

[Xeyska]

grey_wind wrote...

Xeyska wrote...


Problem is Thane's so called "romance" is not one. It doesn't exist in ME3.

firel wrote...

The animation was completely lifted off the Jack/MShep makeout scene, which is why it looked so out of character/place.

Ok, now I have to see this.

Jack/MaleShep kiss.
Thane/FemShep kiss.

Yep, it's a straight off rip.

GOOD GOD!!!


Laziness just got a whole new meaning.

I know, right? They didn't even make separate animations that fit with the characters, they just used the same one again. <_<

Modifié par Xeyska, 21 juillet 2012 - 01:56 .

[WarGriffin]

Jacob being unpopular isn't a valid excuse though for how they pretty much threw his character under the bus for the sake of giving him a reason not to rejoin the crew. Femshep gets absolutely screwed over in ME3 Romance wise

Jacob the man shaped on the ideals of intergrity turns into Kanye so they can have your babby momma issues

Thane dies

Leaving Garrus, Kaidan or Liara-who is pretty much shoved down our throats as Mac's Canon Love interest-

Honestly if you think about it, The romances given any real detail, it's one ME1 love interest -Ashley/Kaidan, One ME2 Love interest Garrus/Tali, Liara and ME3's same sex interest -allers doesn't count-


though out of of the same sex ones Steve's is the only one that has real substance... while Traynor feels like you just jumped your comm officer in the shower you big cougar!

and don't give me the excuse they could die!

Garrus and Tali can die too... and only Tali's death really effects the story on Rannoch. That's right Garrus being dead has no real baring on the plot -though that might be more that Palaven along with Thessia and Sur'kesh are skimmed over-

[andy6915]

Emeraldfern wrote..[*]Thane is crippled from Kepral's Syndrome and says "My favorite doctor gave me three months to live. Nine months ago" - Huh, what happened to the timeline?

You seem confused. It was stated back when it came out that Arrival was 6 months after the suicide mission, and ME3 is 6 months after Arrival. That's matching with the "8 to 12 months" line in ME2.

Now what in the world was Shepard doing in that gap between the SM and Arrival? I have no idea. It's long bothered me, that gap in time just doesn't make sense. But it's canon... Apparently.

[AvagerShepard]

7he Island Head wrote...

Argetfalcon wrote...

 People I liked Thane also but it was made perfectly clear in ME2 that he was dying. If you thought he was gonna have a bigger role you were kidding yourself. And frankly I find it more appealing that he died fighting. There are many issues with ME3 but this shouldn't be one of them.

It reminded of when SPOILER FOR DARK KNIGHT RISES 

**** you. You know that? **** YOU. I really hope you die. 

Modifié par AvagerShepard, 21 juillet 2012 - 04:36 .

[andy6915]

AvagerShepard wrote...
**** you. You know that? **** YOU. I really hope you die. 

He lied, trust me. Though... Well, things aren't simple, I'll put it that way. But death? Doesn't happen. He's just trying to anger people.

[GreenDragon37]

7he Island Head wrote...

Argetfalcon wrote...

 People I liked Thane also but it was made perfectly clear in ME2 that he was dying. If you thought he was gonna have a bigger role you were kidding yourself. And frankly I find it more appealing that he died fighting. There are many issues with ME3 but this shouldn't be one of them.

It reminded of when Batman dies in the Dark Knight Rises

Dude... **** you! Spoilers, man!

[WarGriffin]

andy69156915 wrote...

Emeraldfern wrote..
[*]Thane is crippled from Kepral's Syndrome and says "My favorite doctor gave me three months to live. Nine months ago" - Huh, what happened to the timeline?

You seem confused. It was stated back when it came out that Arrival was 6 months after the suicide mission, and ME3 is 6 months after Arrival. That's matching with the "8 to 12 months" line in ME2.

Now what in the world was Shepard doing in that gap between the SM and Arrival? I have no idea. It's long bothered me, that gap in time just doesn't make sense. But it's canon... Apparently.

Wait.. 6 months Shepard bummed around  with the Me2 crew and they didn't get anything done other then maybe the shadow Broker thing?

[dreman9999]

wildannie wrote...

[*]
[*]Wow! It is amazing how deftly you can answer detailed well thought out arguments with utter drivel, you really have a great talent... I don't think you have ever disappointed me with anything sensible yet... keep up the good work![*]
[*]@emeraldfern great points, it is a shame that some can't be bothered to engage with them.

[*]The problem is that you main complint to why Thane should not of did is that the hanar were working on a cure. That doesn't mean the cure woulf be finish and even Thane said it still hassome years to even finish and he would be died by then. Having a curein the works does not mean Thane should be cured. Bring it up over and over again is whining. Really get over it.

[RenegonSQ]

I felt the same way as the OP, but when I actually watched the Thane romance scenes, I kind of felt the pain of those who wanted his romance to be more. It wasn't relly about his death(though people say it is), I felt the real issue was that Thane wanted more, but the developers kind of left that on a cliffhanger. There wasn't enough there with his romance, and it is kind of sad.

Watch the scenes and see for yourself

[wildannie]

dreman9999 wrote...

wildannie wrote...

[*]
[*]Wow! It is amazing how deftly you can answer detailed well thought out arguments with utter drivel, you really have a great talent... I don't think you have ever disappointed me with anything sensible yet... keep up the good work![*]
[*]@emeraldfern great points, it is a shame that some can't be bothered to engage with them.

[*]The problem is that you main complint to why Thane should not of did is that the hanar were working on a cure. That doesn't mean the cure woulf be finish and even Thane said it still hassome years to even finish and he would be died by then. Having a curein the works does not mean Thane should be cured. Bring it up over and over again is whining. Really get over it.

[*]And there's where you're wrong,  the hanar cure is right at the bottom of my list of plausible ways to make Thane survive.  Right at the top would have been him seeking the lung transplant that he was a viable candidate for now that he had found love and reconnected with his son.  He didn't need to be cured, his life should have been prolonged because he had been inspired to fight to live on.  At the very least he should have acknowledged that he was now waiting for a transplant... although it would have made more sense for him to wait on Kahje and take Kolyat with him... I'm sure bailey wouldn't have cared as he seemed to have forgotton who Kolyat was.  [*]This is not whining, this is promotion of a valid POV in the hope of making the devs listen, and failing that, not letting them forget what they did.

[RShara]

Seriously, people still don't get it? Okay here is the first post.



What we're asking for is, at the very least, more interaction with him before he dies. Interaction that is in character for him, please, and not just a couple of thrown in lines that continue in the same thread that he's already in. A lot of us are to the point, however, where we want a full-on life extension or cure, just because we are so very disappointed in how he was handled, and the lack of respect that was given to his character and story.

We are NOT asking that the entire story is changed. We are asking for an OPTIONAL addition where it's possible to save him if we take the right steps. WE ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR THIS OPTION AS WELL!
You can see a flowchart of our propsal here: Thane Story Flowchart

Here is a possible ALTERNATE STORYLINE involving Kolyat, whom, since HE is part of Citadel Security, would make more sense than Thane.

We ARE asking that the romance be fixed to put in what Bioware has admitted they forgot about!


Yeah, I wasn't in charge of Thane, but I see Thane's death situation as one of those things that's the drawback of a large writing team. Lots of followers talk about the Citadel Event in terms of what happens with the VS, but because Thane was optional, it didn't click with any of us that the player could also have just lost a friend or loved one THERE as well. That was a dropped ball on our end.

- Patrick Weekes.


Yes we understand that he said he was dying in the very first conversation, and romanced him anyway. These are the reasons why we expected to have more time with him and why we're unhappy with how he was handled.

Bullet point list:

1. There was no cure, despite CDN mention of Medigel for the lungs, the hanar cure, and Thane's transplant candidacy, mentioned in ME2 and Lair of the Shadow Broker.
2. Thane was not at peace with his death. He was not prepared to die. He was never destined to die.
3. He did not go out with "a bang," the heroic death that he wanted (if not romanced). A cure would not trivialize his death.
4. There's barely any difference between a friendShep's dialogue and a romanceShep's. THANE DOES NOT EVEN UNLOCK THE PARAMOUR ACHIEVEMENT!
5. There's no shared mission with Thane. The side mission that really should have been his went to... Kasumi??
6. The death scene was impersonal, the same for both friendShep and a romanceShep's.
7. After he died, no one save Kai-Leng mentioned Thane's name again. No chance for Shepard to mourn or talk about him with others, romanced or not.
8. The timeline, extrapolated from quotes IN GAME do not match the claims of his impending demise.

[RShara]

Each bullet point is explained in detail:

1. There was no cure, despite CDN mention of Medigel for the lungs, the hanar cure, and Thane's transplant candidacy, mentioned in ME2 and Lair of the Shadow Broker:

Yes, he was ill. We know this. Yes, it was possible he would die. We know this too. HOWEVER, Bioware hinted at several different things that could have extended Thane's life. CDN mentioned medigel for the lungs. The hanar are working on a cure. Thane is eligible for a transplant that would extend his life.

The initial Thane that you meet has turned down a transplant. However, a romanced Thane no longer wants to die. It is NOT implausible that a romanced Thane could be talked into a transplant that would extend his life long enough for a cure to be available.
Thane was never "destined" to die. The writers in ME2 said they weren't sure where they were going to take the character. He could have been cured or not at that point.
Bioware featured several "Cure Thane" movements and used his image as the poster boy for some of the ME3 promotionals.
In the leaked script, there were several options where Thane takes a bullet during the Coup, to stop Udina. In one of the options, he pulls off "A slick move" and stops Udina, and just looks "out of breath."

2. Thane was not at peace with his death. He was not prepared to die. He was not destined to die:
The Thane you first meet is resigned and even eager for his death. He wanted to die doing something worthwhile. However, if your Shepard romanced Thane, you see him opening up. Just before the suicide mission, he comes to Shepard's cabin and confesses how he no longer wants to die. He is afraid of dying, and wants to live. Yet in ME3 when you meet him at the hospital, he is suddenly okay with dying, again, as if all of the development done in ME2 never happened. Romanced Thane's character completely reverses his stance from ME2. Character reversal for no reason is not good writing.


Thanks to Emeraldfern for this find. This is an Edit made by Stormwaltz on the Mass Effect Wikia. Stormwaltz is Chris L'Etoile, Thane's original writer in ME2.



3. He did not go out with "a bang," the heroic death that he wanted (if not romanced). A cure would not trivialize his death:
He's replaced by Kirrhe if you didn't talk to him in the hospital. That's hardly unique. Only if Kirrhe is dead will the salarian councilor die. Way to unique, heroic, memorable death when he can be replaced someone else? The fact that he can be replaced really leaves a bad taste in my mouth for his "heroism".
LT summarized a lot of our feelings quite nicely

Lucky Thirteen wrote...
I feel like the death trivialized Thane. Made him pointless, his only purpose was to die and provide another shock value scene to make people cry. Even then, if you don't have him, another NPC can replace him. That NPC actually gives Shepard War Assets and has a higher level of importance over Thane. Thane's importance is a death scene. He's not even listed as a character in the game's guide. He isn't vital at all and I don't understand why they bothered to bring him back. They might as well have saved themselves the trouble of figuring out how to get his body into a bed, wearing the same cloths from ME2, and had a random NPC try to help Shepard.

Even before the game came out, I said that if he had to die, I'd want him to go out with a bang, but I didn't mean for that to be all. I expected it to be much later in the game, after he had a well laid out story in the game. They wanted a tragic death, fine, but it's not great story telling if you made a character only to die in a cool way. Tragic stories are tragic because people were living before, not sitting and waiting to die with a smile on their face. It's almost demented really.

Yes, the fight scene is very flashy and very much eye-candy. That being said.....
]Why does Shepard+Co just stand there and stare during the entire fight? If you look here: Thane Vs KL, you can see there are multiple points where Shepard and company could have interfered and helped and stopped the freaking fight, but didn't.
To have truly made a difference, his death should have involved him doing something only he can do, and if you didn't hit the right triggers, then whatever it is that he was supposed to do DOESN'T GET DONE.

4. There's barely any difference between a friendShep's dialogue and a romanceShep's:
A romanced Thane has the exact same conversations as a friended Thane, with the exception of a questionable make-out scene. Even when Thane asks romanceShep why she's at the hospital, she says it's to see the VS. There is no option to say that she's there to see the drell she loves. There is no option talk to him about their relationship, about Kolyat, about transplants or life extensions, or about what he's been doing while Shepard was under house arrest. All a romanceShep can ask is about Thane's illness, and the VS.
If you romanced Kaidan in 1, and Thane in 2, Kaidan accuses Shepard of cheating on him, and Shepard gets NO CHANCE to tell him what she thinks of that little statement. Shepard just stands there looking guilty.
THANE DOES NOT EVEN UNLOCK THE PARAMOUR ACHIEVEMENT! What the heck is up with that?


5. There's no shared mission with Thane. The side mission that really should have been his went to... Kasumi??:
Thane is the only ME2 squadmember that doesn't get his own side mission. Even Kasumi and Zaeed got specific side missions, even if they didn't join the squad. You'd think that the mission involving the hanar would be a great side mission for Thane since the drell live with the hanar. But nope. You just get cutscenes with Thane that have no interactions to them. You don't even get the sad excuse for a side mission that every other ME2 LI gets.

6. The death scene was impersonal, the same for both friendShep and a romanceShep's:
The phrasing is nearly identical. Shepard gets maybe a couple words, and a siha or two difference. His speech is very touching for a friendShep, but for a romance, Shepard doesn't get an, "I love you" or any tears or even an expression of grief, like Miranda does. Shepard just stares stonily off into the distance.
Also, Thane's lying on the hospital bed....still in his leather outfit...lol? Really they would leave that on? How did they even try to treat him then? Or did they just look at the wound and say, "Nope, he's dead, don't bother"?

7. After he died, no one except Kai-Leng mentions Thane's name again. No chance for Shepard to mourn or talk about him with others, romanced or not:
Absolutely no one ever mentions Thane again until Shepard kills KL. That is the ONLY MENTION of him ever again. Garrus is standing in front of the memorial right afterward, staring at the wall...and all he talks about is the VS andhow it's good to see him/her again. No mention of Thane.
If you semi-flirted with Traynor, the shower-scene is almost right after.
If you go see Kaidan, and fell into the romance triggers, he hits on you right after.
Stay classy, Bioware!

EDIT!
Some new info I didn't have before, a good timeline breakdown.
8. The timeline, extrapolated from quotes IN GAME do not match the claims of his impending demise.

Thane mentions in HM, "My favorite doctor gave me three months to live....nine months ago." But this is a mess up of previous established time-lines that BW themselves originally created. So, I am going to set up the time line based on the conversation Shepard has with Tali on the Citadel where she states that it has been exactly three years since Shepard met her in the back alley of the wards on the Citadel. So working with that in-game timeline, here is a "reasonable" scenario to consider:

We have 3 years from getting Tali in ME1 to the conversation with Tali on the Citadel in me3
We can immediately subtract from that timeline the following:

a) 2 years for dead/rebuilding Shepard
6 months house arrest between ME2 and me3
c) 1 month (roughly; my general assumption) from the time you start ME2 to getting Thane

When we first recruit Thane he says he will be fine for the next 8 -12 months (fine means active in my opinion, and after that he is too weak to fight. NOT that he will be DEAD in 8-12 months....the fact that he says "fine" and not "dead" is key.)

Thus far, we have the following:
3 years
- 2 years 1 month
- 6 months
- 1 month
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4 months

5) I have seen others post this before, that it is believed that ME1 took place over only a couple of months, while ME2 was longer. I admit I am not working on anything official, so if anyone has any in-game hints referring to length of time for ME1, please let me know. For now, I will use previous posters comments on this, till I can get a better verification. Based on everything we know in the two games, I would follow this is probably correct; roughly 2 months for ME1 (at least AFTER Eden Prime), and the 4 months for ME2. (don't forget, that even though the current total is at 5 months, I had already subtracted one month for time BEFORE getting Thane, in ME2).

So, the general timeline would appear as such:
a) First visit to the Citadel in ME1 to the time of Shepards death, roughly 2 months.
2 Years pass till Shepard is resurrected
c) 1 month pass until we get Thane
d) Thane says he will be fine for the next 8-12 months
e) 3 months till the end of the SM
f) 6 months house arrest
g) 1 month till we finally get to speak to Thane at Huerta

So, total number of months from the original "I should be fine for the next 8 -12 months" is: 10 Months

Yes, I do realize I am taking some liberty here, but working on the in-game info that Tali gives us in me3, and using other "known" timelines in game, this seems like a fair breakdown.

This clearly puts Thane still in the window of being "fine"....and anyone who has had sick family/friends or been sick themselves knows that those terminal estimations are generally the average. Lasting a few months longer is not out of the realm of possibility. Because this is the timeline I would have expected them to follow (instead of making up the babble that comes out of Thane's mouth about "3 months to live, 9 months ago"), I would argue that even without a cure/life extention, he shouldn't have been considered "waiting to die" to begin with.

In summary, it's not JUST the fact that he dies. It's the reaction to that death that is pissing us off.
Nearly identical dialogue, and no reaction from crewmates.

Do we want an option for him to live? Many of us do. We know that probably
won't happen. But is it really so unreasonable to ask for equal
treatment?

If you're interested in adding your support in other ways we have:
Protsting the Treatment of ME2 Romances in Mass Effect 3 on Facebook
Save Our Characters, Save our Game Petition site
There are other ideas and threads in the Character forum for those who want to participate.
You can also tweet the devs so that they know how you feel about Thane's treatment.






Stay classy, Bioware!

[dreman9999]

wildannie wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

wildannie wrote...

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[*]Wow! It is amazing how deftly you can answer detailed well thought out arguments with utter drivel, you really have a great talent... I don't think you have ever disappointed me with anything sensible yet... keep up the good work![*]
[*]@emeraldfern great points, it is a shame that some can't be bothered to engage with them.

[*]The problem is that you main complint to why Thane should not of did is that the hanar were working on a cure. That doesn't mean the cure woulf be finish and even Thane said it still hassome years to even finish and he would be died by then. Having a curein the works does not mean Thane should be cured. Bring it up over and over again is whining. Really get over it.

[*]And there's where you're wrong,  the hanar cure is right at the bottom of my list of plausible ways to make Thane survive.  Right at the top would have been him seeking the lung transplant that he was a viable candidate for now that he had found love and reconnected with his son.  He didn't need to be cured, his life should have been prolonged because he had been inspired to fight to live on.  At the very least he should have acknowledged that he was now waiting for a transplant... although it would have made more sense for him to wait on Kahje and take Kolyat with him... I'm sure bailey wouldn't have cared as he seemed to have forgotton who Kolyat was.  [*]This is not whining, this is promotion of a valid POV in the hope of making the devs listen, and failing that, not letting them forget what they did.

[*]It was too late for the lung transplant. Thane declined it wen he was assure with him dieing. He didn't plan then to want to live. Once he wanted to agien it was too late. And no he was not waiting for a transplant at the hospital. Really, if they tell you he's going to die, whyare you upset he dies?

[wildannie]

dreman9999 wrote...

wildannie wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

wildannie wrote...

[*]
[*]Wow! It is amazing how deftly you can answer detailed well thought out arguments with utter drivel, you really have a great talent... I don't think you have ever disappointed me with anything sensible yet... keep up the good work![*]
[*]@emeraldfern great points, it is a shame that some can't be bothered to engage with them.

[*]The problem is that you main complint to why Thane should not of did is that the hanar were working on a cure. That doesn't mean the cure woulf be finish and even Thane said it still hassome years to even finish and he would be died by then. Having a curein the works does not mean Thane should be cured. Bring it up over and over again is whining. Really get over it.

[*]And there's where you're wrong,  the hanar cure is right at the bottom of my list of plausible ways to make Thane survive.  Right at the top would have been him seeking the lung transplant that he was a viable candidate for now that he had found love and reconnected with his son.  He didn't need to be cured, his life should have been prolonged because he had been inspired to fight to live on.  At the very least he should have acknowledged that he was now waiting for a transplant... although it would have made more sense for him to wait on Kahje and take Kolyat with him... I'm sure bailey wouldn't have cared as he seemed to have forgotton who Kolyat was.  [*]This is not whining, this is promotion of a valid POV in the hope of making the devs listen, and failing that, not letting them forget what they did.

[*]It was too late for the lung transplant. Thane declined it wen he was assure with him dieing. He didn't plan then to want to live. Once he wanted to agien it was too late. And no he was not waiting for a transplant at the hospital. Really, if they tell you he's going to die, whyare you upset he dies?

[*]You can interpret it that way if you please but that is just your own headcannon... and therefore worthless/meaningless to anyone else other than yourself... Why are you upset that I'm upset.  I'm complaining as a customer/consumer.  Don't you think it's pretty lame that you care about my interpretation of a video game character?  You may think that I am lame to care, and you may be right, but if you're going to argue your case you should at least be able to back it up with evidence that you didn't make up in your own head... don't you think?