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[dreman9999]

RShara wrote...

1.They have clear reason what happen. Thane declined the lung transplant and the cure was far from finished.
2.He was not at peace with dieing because he has something to live for. Shepard.... Non-romanced, he does not have this conflict. Add, at that point he new it was too late for a cure or transplant.
3.........You have a very warped way of looking at it. He did go up in a bang. Nothing you can say can undo that. BW just add mulitple ways to solve the problem of saving the salarian counciler. 
4......The only thing that's the same with Thane death with the prayer is the prayer it self. Added, the same thing can besaid with any romance character. It's basicly the same dialogue but with extra lines.
5.Ok, that I at least can agree with but he is a sick character. He could still give Shepard a mission to do but thats it.
6.......A scene where he pray for you before dieing is impersonal? I don't even have to make a comment about this to pint out what wrong with it.
7....Ok, that I can agree with.
8.When you first met thane he tell you he has  a few month to live.(He never spacifies when heill die.) He tells you he will die some time after the suicide mission.
Then in ME3 he woulf die in 3 months 9 mouths ago.   Their 6 months shepard is in jail, so the leave 6 month said for...except those 6 months were ME2. The time line makes sense. He was told he had 3 months to live before metting Shepard.
Also, you time line is wrong.

Really it just sound like your whinning that Thane die. Even if BW gave you unconferemed gliter of hope, you should of seen him dieing coming.

[dreman9999]

wildannie wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

wildannie wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

wildannie wrote...



Wow! It is amazing how deftly you can answer detailed well thought out arguments with utter drivel, you really have a great talent... I don't think you have ever disappointed me with anything sensible yet... keep up the good work!


@emeraldfern great points, it is a shame that some can't be bothered to engage with them.

The problem is that you main complint to why Thane should not of did is that the hanar were working on a cure. That doesn't mean the cure woulf be finish and even Thane said it still hassome years to even finish and he would be died by then. Having a curein the works does not mean Thane should be cured. Bring it up over and over again is whining. Really get over it.

And there's where you're wrong,  the hanar cure is right at the bottom of my list of plausible ways to make Thane survive.  Right at the top would have been him seeking the lung transplant that he was a viable candidate for now that he had found love and reconnected with his son.  He didn't need to be cured, his life should have been prolonged because he had been inspired to fight to live on.  At the very least he should have acknowledged that he was now waiting for a transplant... although it would have made more sense for him to wait on Kahje and take Kolyat with him... I'm sure bailey wouldn't have cared as he seemed to have forgotton who Kolyat was.  
This is not whining, this is promotion of a valid POV in the hope of making the devs listen, and failing that, not letting them forget what they did.

It was too late for the lung transplant. Thane declined it wen he was assure with him dieing. He didn't plan then to want to live. Once he wanted to agien it was too late. And no he was not waiting for a transplant at the hospital. Really, if they tell you he's going to die, whyare you upset he dies?

You can interpret it that way if you please but that is just your own headcannon... and therefore worthless/meaningless to anyone else other than yourself... Why are you upset that I'm upset.  I'm complaining as a customer/consumer.  Don't you think it's pretty lame that you care about my interpretation of a video game character?  You may think that I am lame to care, and you may be right, but if you're going to argue your case you should at least be able to back it up with evidence that you didn't make up in your own head... don't you think?

Head cannon? That how conitionslike this really are like. Surguries like this have in issue of complication, timing, and patient condition.
You just want a magic cure.

[RShara]

dreman, I have no idea whether you're arguing for or against.

[RShara]

The point with the lung transplant is....why didn't Shepard question Thane about it as soon as he/she found out? Esp for a romanced Shepard, do you really think that she'd see, "Eligible for a lung transplant" and just shrug it off?

Then he'd have had the 6 months between Arrival and ME3 to heal and recover.

Choose your own Adventure time!

1. You're dying of lung cancer.
Your girl/boyfriend comes up and says, "Good news! You're eligible for a lung transplant that will extend your life by xxxx amount of time!"
What you you say?
A. No Thanks
B. HELL YEAH
C. Trans..plant...? What is this magic you speak of?

2.
You're standing in a dark alley. Your boyfriend is in a huge fight  with a guy wielding a sword. Your boyfriend has a gun. You also have a gun. You are a trained soldier. You also have nifty distance abilities. What do you do?
A. Get the **** outta there!
B. Stand around and pick your nose.
C. Get in there and shoot his ass till it stops moving.

3. Your lover is on his/her deathbed. He/She treats you like a friend as he/she dies. You:
A. Sing a happy song.
B. Stare stonily and then forget it ever happened.
C. Hit on the next movable object you see.
D. Both B and C.

Modifié par RShara, 21 juillet 2012 - 09:17 .

[mopotter]

Didn't mind him dying, I think they did a good job with that. Disliked the hospital make out scene and he needed more content. Ture, Jacob was worse. But then most of the ME2 romances (Jack, Miranda, Thane and ummm Jacob) got shafted.

[dreman9999]

RShara wrote...

dreman, I have no idea whether you're arguing for or against.

Good, then your understand that I do feel that they did short sell Thane in ME3 but not as much as you implying. You seem to get hung up with Thane dieing or why he didn't take the lung transplaint when he had the chance. But you seem to forget the first time you met him, he planned to die on that mission. That ddn't change for most of ME2. Thane wanted t die. That's the reason he did not take the surgury. But there is a thing about people your not understanding. People change their minds. That is waht happen with Thane atthe end of ME2 when you romance him.....He changed his mind but it was too late. Don't use the fact that he changedhis mind to wanting to live be the one reason he should live. Thane dieing is not the problem. It the lack of content involving Thane in ME3. I'm saying stop focusing on the thing that's not the problem and focus o the real problem.

[dreman9999]

mopotter wrote...

Didn't mind him dying, I think they did a good job with that. Disliked the hospital make out scene and he needed more content. Ture, Jacob was worse. But then most of the ME2 romances (Jack, Miranda, Thane and ummm Jacob) got shafted.

How did Miranda get the shaft? I can understand why people feel that with Jack,Thane and Jacob.(The one barly anyone romaced). But why do people feel that way with Miranda?

[RShara]

dreman, the reason I'm hung up on Thane's attitude toward dying isn't because I think that's a reason why he should have lived (although it is a link in the chain toward why he COULD have....)

It's the fact that he completely reverses his stance on dying between 2 and 3. It's out of character and for those of us that are obsessed with him (yes, I admit it freely!) it's another nail in the coffin of his character assassination.

IF Bioware had showed why he had gone back to not-caring, then it wouldn't have been so annoying. A dialogue explaining his reversal, for instance. An opportunity for Shepard to understand, and possibly argue/persuade him otherwise, etc etc.

[dreman9999]

RShara wrote...

dreman, the reason I'm hung up on Thane's attitude toward dying isn't because I think that's a reason why he should have lived (although it is a link in the chain toward why he COULD have....)

It's the fact that he completely reverses his stance on dying between 2 and 3. It's out of character and for those of us that are obsessed with him (yes, I admit it freely!) it's another nail in the coffin of his character assassination.

IF Bioware had showed why he had gone back to not-caring, then it wouldn't have been so annoying. A dialogue explaining his reversal, for instance. An opportunity for Shepard to understand, and possibly argue/persuade him otherwise, etc etc.

Just because He changes his mind doesn't mean he suddenly has to live. The fact that he wants to now makes it more tragic. And it's not out of character, it makes his character more human. Added, this is more of an Issue of ME2, not ME3. Really, a character changing their mind does not make them go out of Character.
It's not that he when back to not caring, he just as no way to undo his death and facing it the best he can.

Modifié par dreman9999, 21 juillet 2012 - 09:48 .

[RShara]

Again, I'm not saying that not wanting to die means that he gets to live. I'm saying I don't like it because I don't think it's in character for him.

A character changing their mind wouldn't be out of character if it's explained. But it's not explained, it just happens, and that makes it out of character.

He literally says he has no cares at all. That's a far cry different than the Thane we last saw in ME2.

[firel]

"Just changed his mind" You're making it sound like he just changed what his favorite color was, when that entire point is at the core of a romanced Thane's character development in ME2, and it's obvious that "he changed his mind" translates into "Bioware forgot he was an LI, and were too lazy to do much when they remembered because they don't give a crap about female players."

[dreman9999]

RShara wrote...

Again, I'm not saying that not wanting to die means that he gets to live. I'm saying I don't like it because I don't think it's in character for him.

A character changing their mind wouldn't be out of character if it's explained. But it's not explained, it just happens, and that makes it out of character.

He literally says he has no cares at all. That's a far cry different than the Thane we last saw in ME2.

And again, A character changing their mind on it does not put them out of character. It didn't. And he clearly explines what changed his mind. You put a gif of in on the last page.

[RShara]

Um what? My gif is that he was NOT at peace with dying, and was afraid.

Then in ME3, he's just fine with dying.

This is a big thing, you don't just change your mind overnight. It's not like deciding what clothes to wear or what to have for dinner. It's literally a life changing experience, and changing your mind about it would not be easy, simple, or quick.

There is no foreshadowing, there is no hinting, there is absolutely nothing. He just hits you in the face with it. That is character reversal.

[dreman9999]

firel wrote...

"Just changed his mind" You're making it sound like he just changed what his favorite color was, when that entire point is at the core of a romanced Thane's character development in ME2, and it's obvious that "he changed his mind" translates into "Bioware forgot he was an LI, and were too lazy to do much when they remembered because they don't give a crap about female players."

...On my god. You don't realize you and 
RShara  are arguing about to differnt things. The changing of mind is the fact that Thane wants to live if Shepard romances him... None of that changing of mind is in ME3.

[krasnoarmeets]

andy69156915 wrote...

Emeraldfern wrote..[*]Thane is crippled from Kepral's Syndrome and says "My favorite doctor gave me three months to live. Nine months ago" - Huh, what happened to the timeline?

You seem confused. It was stated back when it came out that Arrival was 6 months after the suicide mission, and ME3 is 6 months after Arrival. That's matching with the "8 to 12 months" line in ME2.

Now what in the world was Shepard doing in that gap between the SM and Arrival? I have no idea. It's long bothered me, that gap in time just doesn't make sense. But it's canon... Apparently.

Err, you can complete Arrival prior to completing the suicide mission and the difference at the end is shown in the Harby hologram you get to talk to, if prior he'll be in collector honcho form, otherwise a giant cuttlefish, so no that being said it doesn't fit in and you can't just wave that timeline away. There should be no canon other than the choices we make through Shepard and actually if you start a game straight from ME3 then Shepard didn't even play a part in the Arrival fiasco. So, no, if the timeline is supposed to be more than 6 months after the suicide mission then what the hell happened in between? This brings me to another irritating point in ME3 speaking of this retarded 6 month interlude. If you didn't play any part in Arrival, Anderson says in response to the 'Is that why they locked me up, took away my ship?' something along the lines of 'with the **** you pulled it's a wonder they didn't lock you up and throw away the key.' Exactly what **** was that? Saving millions of colonists from the collector threat? I was like, wut? 

Jacob romance - shafted. One of my femsheps, my vanguard, Nena, started with Kaidan in ME1, hooked up with Jacob after Kaidan turned his back on her in ME2... then come ME3, she was told by him to her face that he met Bryn 9 months ago. WTF? Dirty little bastard was diddling around with her before Shep was incarcerated? This guy was all about loyalty in ME2... can I please have an opportunity for a renegade response here that involves shooting them both in the face?

Jack romance - my male vanguard, Samir romanced her. She was such a tricky one in ME2. Sure she was easy to sleep with, but not to romance, yet in ME3 there was barely any interaction. At the end of the game just prior to the Hammer operation when you can contact all the squaddies, Jack's comm could have been better to put it mildly. The lack of difference in the romance/non-romance interaction is insulting. As is the rest of the Jack interaction in ME3.

Thane romance - totally shafted. Death ignored by squadmates, dialogue, interaction and animations ignored by Bioware. He may as well have been a cardboard cutout in ME3. No chance of a cure at all? Wut? After all that crap in LotSB?

Modifié par krasnoarmeets, 21 juillet 2012 - 10:15 .

[dreman9999]

RShara wrote...

Um what? My gif is that he was NOT at peace with dying, and was afraid.

Then in ME3, he's just fine with dying.

This is a big thing, you don't just change your mind overnight. It's not like deciding what clothes to wear or what to have for dinner. It's literally a life changing experience, and changing your mind about it would not be easy, simple, or quick.

There is no foreshadowing, there is no hinting, there is absolutely nothing. He just hits you in the face with it. That is character reversal.

And he explines why his is afride and it all point to Shepard. It's explined. Added, none of what your arguing about has anything to do with ME3.
And yes, you can change your mind about dieing and it was not a small thing for him, I was a big revilation.
In ME3, it not that he is just fine with it. Just that he is living the best of what he has left. He in a state of understanding he can't do anything about it.

Modifié par dreman9999, 21 juillet 2012 - 10:01 .

[mopotter]

dreman9999 wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Didn't mind him dying, I think they did a good job with that. Disliked the hospital make out scene and he needed more content. Ture, Jacob was worse. But then most of the ME2 romances (Jack, Miranda, Thane and ummm Jacob) got shafted.

How did Miranda get the shaft? I can understand why people feel that with Jack,Thane and Jacob.(The one barly anyone romaced). But why do people feel that way with Miranda?

I didn't romace her, but I got the idea they wanted her as part of their team, more conversations.  But then I think a lot of people wanted to pick their own team.

[dreman9999]

mopotter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Didn't mind him dying, I think they did a good job with that. Disliked the hospital make out scene and he needed more content. Ture, Jacob was worse. But then most of the ME2 romances (Jack, Miranda, Thane and ummm Jacob) got shafted.

How did Miranda get the shaft? I can understand why people feel that with Jack,Thane and Jacob.(The one barly anyone romaced). But why do people feel that way with Miranda?

I didn't romace her, but I got the idea they wanted her as part of their team, more conversations.  But then I think a lot of people wanted to pick their own team.

Then it's a case that she was not part of the team not short shafted. Really, every Miranda fan should look at what Jack fans got and see what short shafted is.

Modifié par dreman9999, 21 juillet 2012 - 10:32 .

[RShara]

um okay I'm totally confused now.

dreman: We are saying that Thane going from NOT being at peace with dying in ME2, to being utterly okay with it in ME3.

There is no explanation or dialogue of this so it makes no sense and is out of character. He literally says that he has no cares and is at rest.

With no explanation, this is the definition of being out of character.

In ME2, going from being at peace to being afraid of dying is NOT out of character, because it is explained. You SEE his gradual awakening and warming. Thus it is shown and explained and makes sense.

[dreman9999]

RShara wrote...

um okay I'm totally confused now.

dreman: We are saying that Thane going from NOT being at peace with dying in ME2, to being utterly okay with it in ME3.

There is no explanation or dialogue of this so it makes no sense and is out of character. He literally says that he has no cares and is at rest.

With no explanation, this is the definition of being out of character.

In ME2, going from being at peace to being afraid of dying is NOT out of character, because it is explained. You SEE his gradual awakening and warming. Thus it is shown and explained and makes sense.

No, that is not what I'm saying. He doing as muchas he can with what little time he has left. And he make it clear. He say he done as much has he can in his life. There nothing more he can do. That's the explination. He hasn't justchange his mind about being at peace with it or not, ut just that what ever the feeling it is is irrelivent and he's just along with the ride.

Modifié par dreman9999, 21 juillet 2012 - 10:20 .

[krasnoarmeets]

dreman9999 wrote...

mopotter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Didn't mind him dying, I think they did a good job with that. Disliked the hospital make out scene and he needed more content. Ture, Jacob was worse. But then most of the ME2 romances (Jack, Miranda, Thane and ummm Jacob) got shafted.

How did Miranda get the shaft? I can understand why people feel that with Jack,Thane and Jacob.(The one barly anyone romaced). But why do people feel that way with Miranda?

I didn't romace her, but I got the idea they wanted her as part of their team, more conversations.  But then I think a lot of people wanted to pick their own team.

Then it's a case that she was not part of the team not short shafted. Really, every Miranda fan shoull look at what Jack fans got and see what short shafted is.

Oh hell yes. With Miranda you get multiple meetings and interactions. With the interactions there is a HUGE difference between the romanced/non-romanced dialogues. She touches you interacts with you in a way that a lover would. By comparison, Jack and Thane's romances are a total joke. I can accept the fact that Thane may die, but you don't even get a chance to do anything to try to save him. or even spend any time with him FFS.
Why? Laziness. Not giving a crap about fans.

dreman9999 wrote...

RShara wrote...

um okay I'm totally confused now.

dreman: We are saying that Thane going from NOT being at peace with dying in ME2, to being utterly okay with it in ME3.

There
is no explanation or dialogue of this so it makes no sense and is out
of character. He literally says that he has no cares and is at rest.

With no explanation, this is the definition of being out of character.

In
ME2, going from being at peace to being afraid of dying is NOT out of
character, because it is explained. You SEE his gradual awakening and
warming. Thus it is shown and explained and makes sense.

No,
that is not what I'm saying. He doing as muchas he can with what little
time he has left. And he make it clear. He say he done as much has he
can in his life. There nothing more he can do. That's the explination.
He hasn't justchange his mind about being at peace with it or not, ut
just that what ever the feeling it is is irrelivent and he's just along
with the ride.

What about spending some time with the new love of his life? Instead of I'm dying, laters...

Modifié par krasnoarmeets, 21 juillet 2012 - 10:27 .

[dreman9999]

krasnoarmeets wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

mopotter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Didn't mind him dying, I think they did a good job with that. Disliked the hospital make out scene and he needed more content. Ture, Jacob was worse. But then most of the ME2 romances (Jack, Miranda, Thane and ummm Jacob) got shafted.

How did Miranda get the shaft? I can understand why people feel that with Jack,Thane and Jacob.(The one barly anyone romaced). But why do people feel that way with Miranda?

I didn't romace her, but I got the idea they wanted her as part of their team, more conversations.  But then I think a lot of people wanted to pick their own team.

Then it's a case that she was not part of the team not short shafted. Really, every Miranda fan shoull look at what Jack fans got and see what short shafted is.

Oh hell yes. With Miranda you get multiple meetings and interactions. With the interactions there is a HUGE difference between the romanced/non-romanced dialogues. She touches you interacts with you in a way that a lover would. By comparison, Jack and Thane's romances are a total joke. I can accept the fact that Thane may die, but you don't even get a chance to do anything to try to save him. or even spend any time with him FFS.
Why? Laziness. Not giving a crap about fans.

dreman9999 wrote...

RShara wrote...

um okay I'm totally confused now.

dreman: We are saying that Thane going from NOT being at peace with dying in ME2, to being utterly okay with it in ME3.

There
is no explanation or dialogue of this so it makes no sense and is out
of character. He literally says that he has no cares and is at rest.

With no explanation, this is the definition of being out of character.

In
ME2, going from being at peace to being afraid of dying is NOT out of
character, because it is explained. You SEE his gradual awakening and
warming. Thus it is shown and explained and makes sense.

No,
that is not what I'm saying. He doing as muchas he can with what little
time he has left. And he make it clear. He say he done as much has he
can in his life. There nothing more he can do. That's the explination.
He hasn't justchange his mind about being at peace with it or not, ut
just that what ever the feeling it is is irrelivent and he's just along
with the ride.

What about spending some time with the new love of his life? Instead of I'm dying, laters...
 

And that the problem with Thane romace that is acceptable to complaint about. Everything involving Thanes romance, except Him dieing, is horrible.

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Didn't mind him dying, I think they did a good job with that. Disliked the hospital make out scene and he needed more content. Ture, Jacob was worse. But then most of the ME2 romances (Jack, Miranda, Thane and ummm Jacob) got shafted.

How did Miranda get the shaft? I can understand why people feel that with Jack,Thane and Jacob.(The one barly anyone romaced). But why do people feel that way with Miranda?

-Literally half of her character was abandoned in ME3.

-Her romance continuation is cheap as sh*t.

-Her "badass-ness" that she had in ME2 is almost gone completely in ME3, save for the e-mail on Liara's terminal.

-She has quantity among the shafted characters, but not quality.

-She does and says literally nothing about Cerberus in ME3, despite her former employment with them.

-Sanctuary is just a rehash her loyalty mission from ME2, except she isn't present with Shepard during most of the gameplay.

-She has NO reason to NOT join you, nor does Shepard have NO reason to NOT invite her to the team.

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Didn't mind him dying, I think they did a good job with that. Disliked the hospital make out scene and he needed more content. Ture, Jacob was worse. But then most of the ME2 romances (Jack, Miranda, Thane and ummm Jacob) got shafted.

How did Miranda get the shaft? I can understand why people feel that with Jack,Thane and Jacob.(The one barly anyone romaced). But why do people feel that way with Miranda?

-Literally half of her character was abandoned in ME3.

-Her romance continuation is cheap as sh*t.

-Her "badass-ness" that she had in ME2 is almost gone completely in ME3, save for the e-mail on Liara's terminal.

-She has quantity among the shafted characters, but not quality.

-She does and says literally nothing about Cerberus in ME3, despite her former employment with them.

-Sanctuary is just a rehash her loyalty mission from ME2, except she isn't present with Shepard during most of the gameplay.

-She has NO reason to NOT join you, nor does Shepard have NO reason to NOT invite her to the team.

1. No it was not.
2.Ha, no it wasn't.
3.
No it was not. replay the sactuary mission and let her tell you what happen when she met the cerberus agents.
4.If this was about her not bein gon the ship...Ge tover it.
5........Oh, my god ...The way you warped things. It 'sbad that the one thing she is looking for in on sactury?

[Vlk3]

dreman9999 - To me, the most horrible thing is him dying. If there were options, one of my Sheps could choose to let him die. Just to make her story sadder. But his forced death is just unacceptable for m ycanon Shep. Imagine what would you feel (forgetting the Kepral Syndrome) if your LI, and only your LI, was forced to die. Everyone's else can live, perhaps even have their blue children, build their house etc.

To me, his illness was a burden right from the start. It wasn't necessary to make his character interesting. Therefore, his story arc shouldn't be all about dying.

In truth, not having Thane in squad in ME3 is painful enough, all LI's should be squadmates even just for a few missions.