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[Taboo]

The Angry One wrote...

Nothing good ever comes from debating with dreman.

So I should be drinking...

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. What your saying is that because you didn't see it happen it did not happen. What I'm saying is that because I know how the character and the group she is in conflict in acts, it a great chance it happen. This is cerberus , explain to me why they would not force Miranda to kill one of their agents they sent ou to kill her. If you know cerberus , you would know how relentless they are. There is no way with the way cerberus act would miranda walk away with out killing some one.

That isn't what I'm saying at all. But whatever.

2. No, I'm say she is only 
overanalytical with her own persnal issues. Everything else she is straight  focus on finding the salution.

Double standard then.

4.No that is not the center of her character. Cerberus is just a means to an end. Miranda is not about cerberus. TIM is. The fact that she leave show that cerberus is not the center of her character.

... And it's readily apparent that you have no idea about how characters work, or what they are. I implore you to take a literature class, or a creative writing class.

[dreman9999]

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

If you had been abused as child like I was you'd understand that some people have a very hard time making relationships with others because they don't trust them. That's the core of her issue.

Your behavior is absolutely appalling. I would suggest you talk to the character.

But I'm not taking about the core of her issues. I'm taking about the core of the character.
Mirandas motivation and core of her issues is different from the center of her character.

not sure if srs

Everything she is stems from those issues. Her character is a result of that.

Turns out she's actually a good person, the only prerequsite is that you have to actually talk to her.

She belives strongly that her work makes a difference and her past allows her to excel at it.

But at the end of the day she's a human being, looking for validation like everyone else. As it turns out people are healthier when they have friends or a partner.

Are you aware that she has very little before she meets Shepard?

A character issues is not their center. And your just stating her traits not he center of her character. I see Oriana as her center because of the value Miranda put in her and the fact she uses her  as a surrogate  of a saluton of her issue, her own personal freedom. Miranda is a character who is forever trapped by her father. And as much freedoms she seeks and finds, she can never leave the cage that is being her fathers daughter. Oriana is her wings. Miranda sees she can't truely be free of her father but she is sure to see that her sister will be. That's why Oriana is the center of her character.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Nothing good ever comes from debating with dreman.

So I should be drinking...

Drinking alone is not healthy, I'll join you.

[Shaigunjoe]

Taboo-XX wrote...

not sure if srs

Does no one here read faces anymore?

Miranda shows more emotion on her face than any other character.

Yea, reading faces is something that I don't do much in video games, just not used to it.  Usually the dialogue is so slow that I just turn on subtitles and run through, though I am sure I miss a lot of emotional inflection.

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. What your saying is that because you didn't see it happen it did not happen. What I'm saying is that because I know how the character and the group she is in conflict in acts, it a great chance it happen. This is cerberus , explain to me why they would not force Miranda to kill one of their agents they sent ou to kill her. If you know cerberus , you would know how relentless they are. There is no way with the way cerberus act would miranda walk away with out killing some one.

That isn't what I'm saying at all. But whatever.

2. No, I'm say she is only 
overanalytical with her own persnal issues. Everything else she is straight  focus on finding the salution.

Double standard then.

4.No that is not the center of her character. Cerberus is just a means to an end. Miranda is not about cerberus. TIM is. The fact that she leave show that cerberus is not the center of her character.

... And it's readily apparent that you have no idea about how characters work, or what they are. I implore you to take a literature class, or a creative writing class.

1. That exacly what your say when your say it my head cannon. You know how cerberus works but you can admit Mirada killed any of their agents in ME3 because it would contrididct your complint.
2.No. That's not a double standard. That is how she is.
4.I know how character work and Miranada is not about Cerberus. She never was. Cerberus was just a means to an end. She was only with cerberus because she felt that they were help humanity. Once it was appaernt the cerberus was way too warped in that idelology, she left.

[Taboo]

Those core issues have created the situation she's in.

She's looking for validation. She was not a part of Oriana life before Shepard intervened. It's one part of who she is.

[dreman9999]

Taboo-XX wrote...

^ What the hell are you smoking?

I'm going to need to start drinking to continue this conversation.

So you agree that cerbeus is the center of Miranda's character then?

[Taboo]

dreman9999 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

^ What the hell are you smoking?

I'm going to need to start drinking to continue this conversation.

So you agree that cerbeus is the center of Miranda's character then?

What? Are you high or something?

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. That exacly what your say when your say it my head cannon. You know how cerberus works but you can admit Mirada killed any of their agents in ME3 because it would contrididct your complint.
2.No. That's not a double standard. That is how she is.
4.I know how character work and Miranada is not about Cerberus. She never was. Cerberus was just a means to an end. She was only with cerberus because she felt that they were help humanity. Once it was appaernt the cerberus was way too warped in that idelology, she left.

No, I'm not admitting anything in favor of either side because I don't f**king know, just like YOU.

That's a double standard.

"She's not about Cerberus." Right, that's why she's Cerberus' second-in-command. 

[dreman9999]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Those core issues have created the situation she's in.

She's looking for validation. She was not a part of Oriana life before Shepard intervened. It's one part of who she is.

She was in Orianas Life before but in the shadows. She maybe looking for validation but what she is really looking for is peace of mind and persnal freedom. Her issues is that she is never free of her father. Remeber, her main issue is that she is only great because of the modification her father did to her genes.

[Taboo]

dreman9999 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Those core issues have created the situation she's in.

She's looking for validation. She was not a part of Oriana life before Shepard intervened. It's one part of who she is.

She was in Orianas Life before but in the shadows. She maybe looking for validation but what she is really looking for is peace of mind and persnal freedom. Her issues is that she is never free of her father. Remeber, her main issue is that she is only great because of the modification her father did to her genes.

Are you aware of how much you flip flop?

Do you have any idea what you're doing?

Seriously, are you high right now?

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. That exacly what your say when your say it my head cannon. You know how cerberus works but you can admit Mirada killed any of their agents in ME3 because it would contrididct your complint.
2.No. That's not a double standard. That is how she is.
4.I know how character work and Miranada is not about Cerberus. She never was. Cerberus was just a means to an end. She was only with cerberus because she felt that they were help humanity. Once it was appaernt the cerberus was way too warped in that idelology, she left.

No, I'm not admitting anything in favor of either side because I don't f**king know, just like YOU.

That's a double standard.

"She's not about Cerberus." Right, that's why she's Cerberus' second-in-command. 

1. No, you just don't want to admit something happened and long as you get ti complain.
2.She a seacond in command because she using cerberus as a means to an end. The center of her character is not Cerberus . It never was.

[Taboo]

Cerberus...gave her validation until Shepard came along.

Seriously, put the bong down.

[dreman9999]

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Those core issues have created the situation she's in.

She's looking for validation. She was not a part of Oriana life before Shepard intervened. It's one part of who she is.

She was in Orianas Life before but in the shadows. She maybe looking for validation but what she is really looking for is peace of mind and persnal freedom. Her issues is that she is never free of her father. Remeber, her main issue is that she is only great because of the modification her father did to her genes.

Are you aware of how much you flip flop?

Do you have any idea what you're doing?

Seriously, are you high right now?

How did I flip flop? All I said is that she is a person who is trapped by her own best qualities and gene and some how I'm flip floping?

[dreman9999]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Cerberus...gave her validation until Shepard came along.

Seriously, put the bong down.

But her issue is not validation. Cerberus is just a means to an end.

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. No, you just don't want to admit something happened and long as you get ti complain.

Nobody knows either way. That's why I'm not admitting in favor of either party, that's also why everything you could possibly say about it is headcanon. What is your major malfunction?

2.She a seacond in command because she using cerberus as a means to an end. The center of her character is not Cerberus . It never was.

Stop tempting me to insult your intelligence. Go take a literature or creative writing class, please. For your own sake.

[Taboo]

Yes, she's trapped and looking for validation.

Cerberus gives her that validation. Oriana gives her that validation. Shepard gives her that validation.

[dreman9999]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yes, she's trapped and looking for validation.

Cerberus gives her that validation. Oriana gives her that validation. Shepard gives her that validation.

No. Let me explain some more. Miranda hates her father because of how much he controled her life but the reason why she is great is because of the gene modification he does to her. Every time she does anything knolegible, makes an acheivement or, does any thing gret is because of what evergne mods and teaching her father did.
Miranda did not take her sister away from her father for self validation.
Miranda can have validation any way she wants. If freedom she wants.That why she apoligizes to Shepard about wanting to put a cantrol chip in his/her head.

Modifié par dreman9999, 22 juillet 2012 - 01:31 .

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. No, you just don't want to admit something happened and long as you get ti complain.

Nobody knows either way. That's why I'm not admitting in favor of either party, that's also why everything you could possibly say about it is headcanon. What is your major malfunction?

2.She a seacond in command because she using cerberus as a means to an end. The center of her character is not Cerberus . It never was.

Stop tempting me to insult your intelligence. Go take a literature or creative writing class, please. For your own sake.

1.No. As I said before you don't want to admit anythting because you want to complain.
2. IF SHE IS ALL ABOUT CERBERUS...Why dos she leaves? Why is she so conserned with her sister? Why does she have issues with her father?

[Taboo]

She is looking for validation for herself.

Freedom is one outcome of that.

So is love.

So is friendship.

So is compassion.

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

1.No. As I said before you don't want to admit anythting because you want to complain.

You keep trying to tell me MY reasons for saying or not saying something. Lawl.

2. IF SHE IS ALL ABOUT CERBERUS...Why dos she leaves? Why is she so conserned with her sister? Why does she have issues with her father?

I never said she was all about Cerberus? Only that she isn't built around Oriana?

[GreyLycanTrope]

Miranda's issue is validation, she initially saw herself as a tool to be used, by her father by Cereberus. She wanted to know where she fits. She wants to essentially give her existence some meaning and purpose so she can be seen as a person and figure out what she wants out of life and be considered more than just a useful tool. At least that's the impression I got.

[dreman9999]

Taboo-XX wrote...

She is looking for validation for herself.

Freedom is one outcome of that.

So is love.

So is friendship.

So is compassion.

The moment you understand why she apolizies for wanting to put a control chip in Shepards Head witll be the moment you'll understand it not validation Miranda wants.

[dreman9999]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Miranda's issue is validation, she initially saw herself as a tool to be used, by her father by Cereberus. She wanted to know where she fits. She wants to essentially give her existence some meaning and purpose so she can be seen as a person and figure out what she wants out of life and be considered more than just a useful tool. At least that's the impression I got.

But she chooses to be with Cerberus and then leaves on her on terms. That makes it not an issue of validation alone.

Modifié par dreman9999, 22 juillet 2012 - 01:38 .