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[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.No. As I said before you don't want to admit anythting because you want to complain.

You keep trying to tell me MY reasons for saying or not saying something. Lawl.

2. IF SHE IS ALL ABOUT CERBERUS...Why dos she leaves? Why is she so conserned with her sister? Why does she have issues with her father?

I never said she was all about Cerberus? Only that she isn't built around Oriana?

1. You haven't given a good reason.
2. You said the center of her character is cerberus...Which it's not. 

[Taboo]

dreman9999 wrote...
The moment you understand why she apolizies for wanting to put a control chip in Shepards Head witll be the moment you'll understand it not validation Miranda wants.

I saw one of the last barriers between the two of them coming down. It's about two people looking for comfort in a time of stress. First through validation through reassurance, and then physical intimacy.

THAT is art ladies and gentlemen. My theater teacher called it "the moment". It's that one moment when for just a second, art imitates life.

It's incredibly moving. Regardless of what happens when the scene fades to black. 

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. You haven't given a good reason.

You mean other than "no information is ever given, therefore literally anything that either party says is headcanon"?

2. You said the center of her character is cerberus...Which it's not. 

No I didn't. I said "Cerberus is the foundation that they based Miranda's character around when they created her" and "Oriana is not Miranda's center". Apart from those two, I haven't said anything.

[dreman9999]

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The moment you understand why she apolizies for wanting to put a control chip in Shepards Head witll be the moment you'll understand it not validation Miranda wants.

I saw one of the last barriers between the two of them coming down. It's about two people looking for comfort in a time of stress. First through validation through reassurance, and then physical intimacy.

THAT is art ladies and gentlemen. My theater teacher called it "the moment". It's that one moment when for just a second, art imitates life.

It's incredibly moving. Regardless of what happens when the scene fades to black. 

That one way to see it...Except that she goes into detail to why she is appoliziting, say that for her, someone who was control by her father to want to control some one like that is wrong.
Yes, It's a moment and in a moment the motivations, ideals and feeling of a character is explined. A moment is not nothing.
Her character is not center in validation, it's want of freedom. Sure validation can help, but she is a person who can do anything she wants, she can get it anywhere. All she wants is freedom form her father. She did not take her sister from her father for validation.

Modifié par dreman9999, 22 juillet 2012 - 01:49 .

[MegaSovereign]

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The moment you understand why she apolizies for wanting to put a control chip in Shepards Head witll be the moment you'll understand it not validation Miranda wants.

I saw one of the last barriers between the two of them coming down. It's about two people looking for comfort in a time of stress. First through validation through reassurance, and then physical intimacy.

THAT is art ladies and gentlemen. My theater teacher called it "the moment". It's that one moment when for just a second, art imitates life.

It's incredibly moving. Regardless of what happens when the scene fades to black. 

Meh, the Tali romance had better development (even though I think Miranda is a better character in general).

:S  Evac scene was so great.

Shepard: "I need you get out of here alive, Tali. Get back to Rannoch, build yourself a home."
Tali: "I have a home"


Just my opinion though.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 22 juillet 2012 - 01:47 .

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. You haven't given a good reason.

You mean other than "no information is ever given, therefore literally anything that either party says is headcanon"?

2. You said the center of her character is cerberus...Which it's not. 

No I didn't. I said "Cerberus is the foundation that they based Miranda's character around when they created her" and "Oriana is not Miranda's center". Apart from those two, I haven't said anything.

1. You taking that road because you don't want to discuse whether it happen or not because the chance of it happening are extremely high.
2.Then tell me what the center of Miranda's character is...And it's not cerberus.

Modifié par dreman9999, 22 juillet 2012 - 01:52 .

[Taboo]

You do realize that freedom from her father comes from both validation as a person and his death?

She apologizes to Shepard when she puts him through the window.

But what does she do? She looks for validation.

And Shepard just hugs her.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 22 juillet 2012 - 01:55 .

[dreman9999]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You do realize that freedom from her father comes from both validation as a person and his death?

She apologizes to Shepard when she puts him through the window.

But what does she do? She looks for validation.

And Shepard just hugs her.

Even in her Father's death , Miranda is never free. The fact that everything that makes Miranda great is because of her father makes her trapped forever.
As I said before she did not take her sister to find validation.

Modifié par dreman9999, 22 juillet 2012 - 02:01 .

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. You taking that road because you don't want to discuse whether it happen or not because the chance of it happening are extremely high.

Stop trying to play shrink on the internet. I told you the reason, and whether you like it or not, it's a legitimate reason. There is no f**king information, therefore anything you, I, or anyone else says about it is headcanon, hence me being silent about it.

2.Then tell me what the center of Miranda's character is...And it's not cerberus.

Miranda is finely balanced on 2 main facets (3 if romanced). Her professional side (association with Cerberus, in this case), and her more "human" side (her love for Oriana). She doesn't have 1 force that motivates her.

[Taboo]

dreman9999 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You do realize that freedom from her father comes from both validation as a person and his death?

She apologizes to Shepard when she puts him through the window.

But what does she do? She looks for validation.

And Shepard just hugs her.

Even in her Fathers death , Miranda is never free. The fact that everything that makes Miranda great is because of her father makes her trapped forever.
As I said before she did not take her sister to find validation.

What is this I don't even...

People look for validation because it's a base component of being alive.

She has her sister, and in my case, Shepard.

I would think that once he finds her after the Destroy ending, they're going to be very happy together.

Because that's what gives life meaning.

As Iggy Pop once sang:

Did your mother ever tell you
That the joyful are the free?

[dreman9999]

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You do realize that freedom from her father comes from both validation as a person and his death?

She apologizes to Shepard when she puts him through the window.

But what does she do? She looks for validation.

And Shepard just hugs her.

Even in her Fathers death , Miranda is never free. The fact that everything that makes Miranda great is because of her father makes her trapped forever.
As I said before she did not take her sister to find validation.

What is this I don't even...

People look for validation because it's a base component of being alive.

She has her sister, and in my case, Shepard.

I would think that once he finds her after the Destroy ending, they're going to be very happy together.

Because that's what gives life meaning.

As Iggy Pop once sang:

Did your mother ever tell you
That the joyful are the free?

You just walked around everything I just typed. You didn't even take in consideration that she didn't take her sister from her father to validate herself. And did you miss the fact that her issue with her genes is that she's great because of them and it was her father, who she hates, who is the reason for them?
I'm going tosay this again...
Even in her Fathers death , Miranda is never free. The fact that everything that makes Miranda great is because of her father makes her trapped forever.
As I said before she did not take her sister to find validation.

Take some time to understand what I'm saying and not just say waht you want.

Modifié par dreman9999, 22 juillet 2012 - 02:16 .

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. You taking that road because you don't want to discuse whether it happen or not because the chance of it happening are extremely high.

Stop trying to play shrink on the internet. I told you the reason, and whether you like it or not, it's a legitimate reason. There is no f**king information, therefore anything you, I, or anyone else says about it is headcanon, hence me being silent about it.

2.Then tell me what the center of Miranda's character is...And it's not cerberus.

Miranda is finely balanced on 2 main facets (3 if romanced). Her professional side (association with Cerberus, in this case), and her more "human" side (her love for Oriana). She doesn't have 1 force that motivates her.

1. It's more that your back traking then giving a reason. That's my point.
2.Note that Miranda abandon cerberus over moral reasons. Cerberus is not here profetioal side. It's a means to an end.

Modifié par dreman9999, 22 juillet 2012 - 02:15 .

[Taboo]

dreman9999 wrote...

You just walked around everything I just typed. You didn't even take in consideration that she didn't take her sister from her father to validate her self. And did you miss thefact that her issue with here gene is that she's great because of it  and it was her father, who she hates, is the reason for them.
I'm going tosay this again...
Even in her Fathers death , Miranda is never free. The fact that everything that makes Miranda great is because of her father makes her trapped forever.
As I said before she did not take her sister to find validation.

Take some time to understand what I'm saying and not just say waht you want.

I have been responding to you.

Do you have any idea how the human brain works?

Do you have any idea how much things can get better?

I do, because I went through similar things with both my parents and other people.

Not only does it get better but it can be used as a positive force once you get a handle on things.

[dreman9999]

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You just walked around everything I just typed. You didn't even take in consideration that she didn't take her sister from her father to validate her self. And did you miss thefact that her issue with here gene is that she's great because of it  and it was her father, who she hates, is the reason for them.
I'm going tosay this again...
Even in her Fathers death , Miranda is never free. The fact that everything that makes Miranda great is because of her father makes her trapped forever.
As I said before she did not take her sister to find validation.

Take some time to understand what I'm saying and not just say waht you want.

I have been responding to you.

Do you have any idea how the human brain works?

Do you have any idea how much things can get better?

I do, because I went through similar things with both my parents and other people.

Not only does it get better but it can be used as a positive force once you get a handle on things.

But your not getting the fact Miranda can get validation any where she wants. Miranda litteraly can do any thing she wants.
As I said before she did not take here sister form her father for validation.

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. It's more that your back traking then giving a reason. That's my point.

"Backtracking" doesn't mean what you think it means.

2.Note that Miranda abandon cerberus over moral reasons. Cerberus is not here profetioal side. It's a means to an end.

Wow, you must make it a habit to miss the point so often.

[Taboo]

dreman9999 wrote...

But your not getting the fact Miranda can get validation any where she wants. Miranda litteraly can do any thing she wants.
As I said before she did not take here sister form her father for validation.

No, no she can't.

She hasn't had any until her relationship with Shepard. Romatic or otherwise.

That has set her on the path to freedom.

[dreman9999]

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

But your not getting the fact Miranda can get validation any where she wants. Miranda litteraly can do any thing she wants.
As I said before she did not take here sister form her father for validation.

No, no she can't.

She hasn't had any until her relationship with Shepard. Romatic or otherwise.

That has set her on the path to freedom.

I'm sorry. This is a woman that can do anythting she wants.. Why can she get validation from just anywhere?
And no It's not because she has to romance Shepard.

Modifié par dreman9999, 22 juillet 2012 - 02:27 .

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. It's more that your back traking then giving a reason. That's my point.

"Backtracking" doesn't mean what you think it means.

2.Note that Miranda abandon cerberus over moral reasons. Cerberus is not here profetioal side. It's a means to an end.

Wow, you must make it a habit to miss the point so often.

1.Saying you not taking a side on what happens contridicts your previous complaint that Miranda is not shown as a woman of action.  That's back traking.
2.Expline Miranda's professional side and you'll get my point.

Modifié par dreman9999, 22 juillet 2012 - 02:39 .

[Taboo]

dreman9999 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

But your not getting the fact Miranda can get validation any where she wants. Miranda litteraly can do any thing she wants.
As I said before she did not take here sister form her father for validation.

No, no she can't.

She hasn't had any until her relationship with Shepard. Romatic or otherwise.

That has set her on the path to freedom.

I'm sorry. This is a woman that can do anythting she wants.. Why can she get validation from just anywhere?
And no It's not because she has to romance Shepard.

You're missing the pooooooint.

No one has ever told her in her thirty six years of being alive that she has anything of worth outside of her talents.

Had she continued in Cerberus, which would have been likely had Shepard not been there, she would have likely never found it.

She was in the right place at the right time.

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

1.Saying you not taking a side on what happens contridicts your previous complaint that Miranda is not shown as a woman of action.  That's back traking.

Sure... Except nothing happens to contradict my point. Never mind that I wasn't enforcing a point anyway.

2.Expline Miranda's profetional side and you'll get mey point.

Explain her professional side? Did you miss it yourself? The very first goddamn thing you see her doing is heading the Lazarus project, even somewhat outperforming Wilson and showing him his data was off. Then she is Shepard's XO during the SR2's maiden voyage, sending regular reports to the Illusive Man. You still need more?

[txgoldrush]

mopotter wrote...

Didn't mind him dying, I think they did a good job with that. Disliked the hospital make out scene and he needed more content. Ture, Jacob was worse. But then most of the ME2 romances (Jack, Miranda, Thane and ummm Jacob) got shafted.

Jack, I do agree, the romance is underwhelming, however her mission was funny as a romance.

Miranda has a fully fleshed out relationship almost on par with shipmates, even a touching scene if she dies in romance...its well done.

Jacob was a twist....Bioware did the right thing here, not everything works out...too bad.

And sorry, but fans completely miss the point on why if in romance, Thane was afraid to die. The reason is losing Shepard like he did his wife. I guess no one refuses the romance scene in ME2, but thats why he was nervous. Shepard can point this out in ME2.

[dreman9999]

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

But your not getting the fact Miranda can get validation any where she wants. Miranda litteraly can do any thing she wants.
As I said before she did not take here sister form her father for validation.

No, no she can't.

She hasn't had any until her relationship with Shepard. Romatic or otherwise.

That has set her on the path to freedom.

I'm sorry. This is a woman that can do anythting she wants.. Why can she get validation from just anywhere?
And no It's not because she has to romance Shepard.

You're missing the pooooooint.

No one has ever told her in her thirty six years of being alive that she has anything of worth outside of her talents.

Had she continued in Cerberus, which would have been likely had Shepard not been there, she would have likely never found it.

She was in the right place at the right time.

Did you even look into her past? Ofcouse theirs has been people whotold her that. One of the people who did you have the option of letting her shot him. 
No that is not it.

[Taboo]

dreman9999 wrote...

Did you even look into her past? Ofcouse theirs has been people whotold her that. One of the people who did you have the option of letting her shot him. 
No that is not it.

Niket? 

Really? Are you serious? Do honestly believe that?

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.Saying you not taking a side on what happens contridicts your previous complaint that Miranda is not shown as a woman of action.  That's back traking.

Sure... Except nothing happens to contradict my point. Never mind that I wasn't enforcing a point anyway.

2.Expline Miranda's profetional side and you'll get mey point.

Explain her professional side? Did you miss it yourself? The very first goddamn thing you see her doing is heading the Lazarus project, even somewhat outperforming Wilson and showing him his data was off. Then she is Shepard's XO during the SR2's maiden voyage, sending regular reports to the Illusive Man. You still need more?

1. There is something to contradict you point. But you back traked to a nutral stance not to explore it.
2.Earilier I said that she is a person who is focused on the mission at hand...So you agree with this now?
Do you see how it's not a contradiction to her overanylizing her self but being cut with the missions on hand?
Added, she had this skill before cerberus and she has this skill with out them but why does she have this skill?
It's because of her father...Her 
professional  side links to her hate of her father....That's not a center part of her character, it's a tait.

[dreman9999]

Taboo-XX wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Did you even look into her past? Ofcouse theirs has been people whotold her that. One of the people who did you have the option of letting her shot him. 
No that is not it.

Niket? 

Really? Are you serious? Do honestly believe that?

Niket, one of the only people Miranda trusted and a person she feels is her...was..her true friend...

I think the better question would be why would any one not believe that.

Modifié par dreman9999, 22 juillet 2012 - 02:59 .