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[Extacykillz]

Anyone ever wonder where morrigan goes.. it might tell in a different ending.. but this brings me to an awkward idea involving the baby and a hypothical spread of posion

[Adell Axel]

she might go back to the Wilds to raise her child. well thats my theory. maybe she needs her child to help her fight flemeth if flemeth ever resurrect and gain her strenght back.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Wonders never cease....

Who knows what evil lies in the hearts of apostates...

David Gaider knows!

Actually I had a thought about Morrigan last night (and before anyone says anything, not THAT kind of thought).

Granted she needs the wardens to stay alive, but if I remember rightly, she disapproves of Zevran joining the group and before also anyone goes on about how she disapproves about a lot of things, it got me thinking to the whole Wynne, Leliana and Alastair thinking and how 'goody two shoes' they were.

If Morrigan was as black/evil as some people seem to think, surely she wouldn't give a monkeys about Zevran joining the ranks?

But regarding the whole ritual thing, I still stand by the principal that unless this ritual really relied on the other participant being fairly active other than the obvious part that we know of, then if she was really bad, she could have just used magic to disorientate or put the person into a deep sleep whilst she had her wicked way with them and the wardens would be none the wiser until they both survived the final battle. So whilst some of my characters won't trust her, I personally don't regard her as the really bad person everyone seems to think she is.

If I am proven wrong in a sequel, I will openly admit it on these boards or whatever boards we are using at the time.

Edit: Oh and on the whole Flemeth/Morrigan thing, I still think they planned it all as Morrigan, including the alleged killing of Flemeth. I do think Morrigan lied to the player on the whole bodyswap part, again as above, if proven wrong later on I will openly admit it.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 18 décembre 2009 - 10:38 .

[Adell Axel]

hmm Ulrich. u might be right about ur morrigan n flemeth thing. never thought about that. but,could be true.

[heretica]

Ulrich you look like Sandal!!! Enchantment too much !! hahah



I don't think she goes back to the Korkari Wilds. They said she was last seen in Frostback Mountains, so maybe she's just trying to travel out of Ferelden? but that would be strange, because the only thing to the west is Orlais. :s

[Adell Axel]

hmmm. to Orlais THAN! yeah,they should make an expansion on the maps. they should add Orlais and the nothern part of the Fereldan On the map. NOW. that would be way way way. cool. and i'll never stop playing DA:O. go BIOWARE! haha.

[BroBear Berbil]

All the epilogues suggest Orlais in any scenario. If I had to guess, I would think she goes to the Arbor Wilds if she's raising the child.

[trh5001]

OnionXI wrote...

All the epilogues suggest Orlais in any scenario. If I had to guess, I would think she goes to the Arbor Wilds if she's raising the child.

The only endings I've gotten have been morrigan going to the west through the frostback mountains.

[Lastrights]

On three of five times finnished pretty much the same ending She heads off over the Frostback Mountains the other two times does the same but is rumored to that someone fitting her description has endeared themselves into the Emperess' court. But as for her and the showing with child not sure where she ends up.

[MrBigA]

I also believe that "killing" Flemeth and performing the Ritual was part of a plan to "preserve" Flemeth. The "Old God" will be Flemeth reincarnated.

[JJM152]

MrBigA wrote...

I also believe that "killing" Flemeth and performing the Ritual was part of a plan to "preserve" Flemeth. The "Old God" will be Flemeth reincarnated.

It's an interesting concept, but ultimately I don't think that it makes much sense. Logically you have to acknowledge that BioWare is probably planning a Dragon Age sequel with some of the same characters. If Morrigan is one of those characters (and let's be honest, she probably is), then the fact that you can either kill or not kill Flemeth and either make the baby or not, doesn't bode well for there being a cannon ending where your hypothesis is correct.

I'm not saying it's impossible, just that it's such a huge stretch that I doubt Gaider or any of the other writers at BioWare could make it without feeling sheepish.

[Rostas7]

Actually,I think Morrigan wants to raise that child so that she could posses his body to gain the abilities of the Old God to fight Flemeth and for a maybe more evil and sinister plan.I actually think Morrigan has her own kind of deal with the world,things in her past that perturbe her,and that alone comes from Flemeth or her previous mother .The real one.Who knows,maybe Morrigan wants to subdue the world for her own selfish reasons.I like her for being all seductive and the sort,and sometimes a little naive,but something about her just keeps me suspicious as if she's constantly lying or at least telling half the truth.

[BroBear Berbil]

trh5001 wrote...

OnionXI wrote...

All the epilogues suggest Orlais in any scenario. If I had to guess, I would think she goes to the Arbor Wilds if she's raising the child.

The only endings I've gotten have been morrigan going to the west through the frostback mountains.

What's west on the other side of the Frostback Mountains? Orlais.

The endings where she doesn't have the child and you don't romance her have her ending up in the Empress' court, so in all endings she goes to Orlais.

[trh5001]

OnionXI wrote...

trh5001 wrote...

OnionXI wrote...

All the epilogues suggest Orlais in any scenario. If I had to guess, I would think she goes to the Arbor Wilds if she's raising the child.

The only endings I've gotten have been morrigan going to the west through the frostback mountains.

What's west on the other side of the Frostback Mountains? Orlais.

The endings where she doesn't have the child and you don't romance her have her ending up in the Empress' court, so in all endings she goes to Orlais.

If it doesn't say explicitly that she went to Orlais how do we know she ended up there.  For all we know when it says she went west over the frostbacks maybe she stayed there as a hermit like she was in the wilds?  Maybe she went past Orlais?  I'm not going to make assumptions about an ending they left unclear just because it makes sense she ended up in Orlais doesn't necessarily make it so.  I mean after all she did claim to not like society maybe she just wanted to be away from you and away from Flemeth hence the Frostback mountains.  Or maybe she knows about some kind of old temples and ruins in the region and she could acquire things there I mean Haven was hidden their who knows what else could be.

[fantasypisces]

She pretty much heads to Orlais. If you don't do the ritual it says a dark haired mage wriggled her way into the Queen of Orlais' court.

[Skellimancer]

fantasypisces wrote...

She pretty much heads to Orlais. If you don't do the ritual it says a dark haired mage wriggled her way into the Queen of Orlais' court.

I don't see how, unless the grimoire had lessons in ettiquette.

[Altharas]

The thing that got me was that Morrigan says she was sent by her Mother to concieve a child with the essence of the Old God.



Mid way through, when Morrigan gains the grimoire, i believe it's true when she says that her mother possesses her Daughters to live on, but i think what she realises, is that Flemeth won't come after her. but her child instead, and thus sends you to kill Flemeth so she's out of the picture long enough for her to hide, raise the child and then possess it herself.



In my opinion, the apple never falls far from the tree and i think we might possibly see the evil side of morrigan in titles to come.

[Jestert]

What would a ruthless mother do with a child god?

I see a kind of Morgan Le Fey and Mordred plot or theme happening.

Modifié par Jestert, 19 décembre 2009 - 11:35 .

[OH-UP-THIS!]

I get the distinct impression, Flemeth has already occupied Morrigans' body.......simply because of the "Robes of Possession", awarded to the victor in the "Flemeth VS Hero" miniquest. regardless of whether Flemeth was exterminated or not.

[Keithhy]

I'd like to remind everyone that Morrigan claims that her mother, Flemeth, actually taught her the ritual to capture the spirit of the old god within her unborn child's body.

In my opinion, Morrigan was never in any immediate danger of possession from Flemeth, and simply used the tale as an excuse to get rid of her mother long enough that she could do whatever she wanted with the child. While Flemeth may very well have been planning to possess her later, I believe Morrigan only brought it up as a means to remove her own mother temporarily.

[BroBear Berbil]

trh5001 wrote...
If it doesn't say explicitly that she went to Orlais how do we know she ended up there.  For all we know when it says she went west over the frostbacks maybe she stayed there as a hermit like she was in the wilds?  Maybe she went past Orlais?  I'm not going to make assumptions about an ending they left unclear just because it makes sense she ended up in Orlais doesn't necessarily make it so.  I mean after all she did claim to not like society maybe she just wanted to be away from you and away from Flemeth hence the Frostback mountains.  Or maybe she knows about some kind of old temples and ruins in the region and she could acquire things there I mean Haven was hidden their who knows what else could be.

If you go west of the frostback mountains you're in Orlais. If you're suggesting she, being pregnant, would want to travel a few thousand additional miles to not be Orlais I think that's a hard case to make. Saying she goes to Orlais does not automatically equate to saying she's run off to the city and joins society. It's only suggested that she does this if she is not pregnant. Orlais is much larger than Ferelden and has plenty of wilderness to pop out a baby and go on about witching.

As I said in my first post in the this thread: if I had to guess where she would go to raise a child, I would guess the Arbor Wilds.

I get the distinct impression, Flemeth has already occupied Morrigans'
body.......simply because of the "Robes of Possession", awarded to the
victor in the "Flemeth VS Hero" miniquest. regardless of whether
Flemeth was exterminated or not.

The item description says what the robe was intended to do. It was meant as a gift to Morrigan to sap her will and ease her into being possessed by Flemeth. It also says since Flemeth is dead (and Morrigan wasn't there) it's not a threat anymore. I don't know what it says if you let Flemeth live or if you can even get the robe if she lives as I never turn down the opportunity to slay a dragon.

Modifié par OnionXI, 20 décembre 2009 - 09:22 .

[Hahren]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Wonders never cease....

Who knows what evil lies in the hearts of apostates...

David Gaider knows!

Actually I had a thought about Morrigan last night (and before anyone says anything, not THAT kind of thought).

Granted she needs the wardens to stay alive, but if I remember rightly, she disapproves of Zevran joining the group and before also anyone goes on about how she disapproves about a lot of things, it got me thinking to the whole Wynne, Leliana and Alastair thinking and how 'goody two shoes' they were.

If Morrigan was as black/evil as some people seem to think, surely she wouldn't give a monkeys about Zevran joining the ranks?

But regarding the whole ritual thing, I still stand by the principal that unless this ritual really relied on the other participant being fairly active other than the obvious part that we know of, then if she was really bad, she could have just used magic to disorientate or put the person into a deep sleep whilst she had her wicked way with them and the wardens would be none the wiser until they both survived the final battle. So whilst some of my characters won't trust her, I personally don't regard her as the really bad person everyone seems to think she is.

If I am proven wrong in a sequel, I will openly admit it on these boards or whatever boards we are using at the time.

Edit: Oh and on the whole Flemeth/Morrigan thing, I still think they planned it all as Morrigan, including the alleged killing of Flemeth. I do think Morrigan lied to the player on the whole bodyswap part, again as above, if proven wrong later on I will openly admit it.

I like your line of thinking... SHADOW!

I think Morrigan disapproves of Zevran joining for two reasons... 1) She needs the Warden's for the ritual. Zevran is an assassin sent to kill the Wardens. He is a threat to her plan. 2) She potentially has warm fuzzy feelings for the main character if the Warden is male.

She admits that she knew about how an Archdemon is killed, and that this ritual would purify the Old God all along. This is why Flemeth sends her with you. So you can imagine there was a conversation like this...

Flemeth "There are Warden's in Ostagar, and I have seen an Archdemon coming".
Morrigan "So what?"
Flemeth "If you befriend them there is a way we can gain power out this."
Morrigan "O rly?"
Flemeth "You'll need to become pregnant, and use this ritual to purify the Archdemon to have an Old God baby!"
Morrigan "To qoute the virgin Mary... Come again?" (Morrigan disapproves -10)

Basically Flemeth tells Morrigan about a plan to have an Old God on their side. Morrigan, knowing her mother, suspects more. She asks you to find the grimoire so she can maybe gain some insights to the real plan. So she finds out about the possession ritual, and comes up with a new plan. Morrigan decides to kill Flemeth instead of being possessed by her, but opts to keep with the ritual plan so that Morrigan can become the Old God. She is interested in power and survival above all else (or so she tells herself).

*If* she were evil she would force you into the ritual, but if you do not accept she just leaves anyway. I really don't think she has an evil plan once she becomes an Old God. She just wants to become more powerful for the sake of gaining power. I don't think Morrigan lies about the bodyswap, but she isn't forthright about her intentions with the baby. It will be interesting to see what happens with the character though!