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[LuckyBullet95]

ASmoothCriminalx wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BeardyMcGoo wrote...

LuckyBullet95 wrote...
Ardat Yakshi are the source of Banshees despite only three being in existence as of Me2

Incorrect. Samaras daughters weren't the only Ardat Yakshi in the galaxy. The Asari race wouldn't make an entire monistary just to house three (well, two) Ardat Yakshi.

Samara actually did say in ME2 that her daughters were the only ones known to exist.  They pretty much retconned it in ME3 so they could do this banshee nonsense.

She also had dialogue saying that other Ardat Yakshi could exist and that she might search for them after the Suicide Mission.

Yes but between ME2 and ME3 only 6 months have past, You really expect THAT MANY ASARI too have surfaced? Ofcourse the most logical conclusion is that Samara lied (they did revere/were captivated by the Ardat Yakshi prior to intergalactic travel) but ofcourse this would go against the Code of Conduct to protect the galaxy from any and all threats. And why would she hunt her daughter whilst protecting everyone else? And why would SHE blatantly say that it was HER family that are the ONLY issue?

@Trolls I am actually serious, ofcourse you may need a reskin (easily explained) but it would be great. We have Cerberus (Smashguard, Slayer [N7 though based on Phantom], Shadow [N7 though based on Kai Leng]) so why not have Reapers? Leviathan would obviously have control of a token of forces and if Protheans why aren't Reapers?

[ValorOfArms777]

the possibility of pure bloods can still occur though it never said that 2 asari basically can still "have this happen" by pureblood they did not say the linage of parents had to always be asari unlike other races their form of just pure blood is 2 asari hooking up this taboo just liek anything could in retrospec be broken examples are our own squadmate Liara whom is also a pureblood and COULD have been one this whole time without her or anybody else knowing this in basics there is a "chance" outa every pure blood" birth that one is possible to be made but! nobody will know of this till proven later of their powers in later years dormant

According to Samara, these are the only three living Ardat-Yakshi. However, less severe cases are supposedly more common, including up to 1% of the population. rare yes possible yes... in note reaper forces DO have lesser amount of special Banshee units than the others it's VERY true and it never said it had to be the "bigger powerd versions either just the normal less severe cases reported but only 3 as of note have the TRUE sevre case currently known

Banshees[/b][color=rgb(255, 255, 255)"> ] derived from [/color]asari[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)"> ] technology. Frighteningly intelligent, Banshees are advanced pressure units usually found leading a Reaper strike force.[/color][1]Banshees are created specifically from asari with active or latent predispositions to becoming Ardat-Yakshi.

no true lore is broken here in their existance

Modifié par ValorOfArms777, 21 juillet 2012 - 12:14 .

[BoomDynamite]

IMPOSSIBRU!

[Rifneno]

ValorOfArms777 wrote...

the possibility of pure bloods can still occur though it never said that 2 asari basically can still "have this happen" by pureblood they did not say the linage of parents had to always be asari unlike other races their form of just pure blood is 2 asari hooking up this taboo just liek anything could in retrospec be broken examples are our own squadmate Liara whom is also a pureblood and COULD have been one this whole time without her or anybody else knowing this in basics there is a "chance" outa every pure blood" birth that one is possible to be made but! nobody will know of this till proven later of their powers in later years dormant

According to Samara, these are the only three living Ardat-Yakshi. However, less severe cases are supposedly more common, including up to 1% of the population. rare yes possible yes... in note reaper forces DO have lesser amount of special Banshee units than the others it's VERY true and it never said it had to be the "bigger powerd versions either just the normal less severe cases reported but only 3 as of note have the TRUE sevre case currently known

Banshees[/b][color=rgb(255, 255, 255)"> ] derived from [/color]asari[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)"> ] technology. Frighteningly intelligent, Banshees are advanced pressure units usually found leading a Reaper strike force.[/color][1]Banshees are created specifically from asari with active or latent predispositions to becoming Ardat-Yakshi.

no true lore is broken here in their existance

Kasumi, stop stealing all the punctuation!

[LuckyBullet95]

BoomDynamite wrote...

IMPOSSIBRU!

So you agree then? 

[N7 Banshee Bait]

Inject- wrote...

No... Just.... No...

YES...JUST...YES...

[StrawHatMoose]

What rinzler said.
1% of asari population is an ardat yakshi to some degree. Banshees are made from any asari with any ardat yakshi capabilities. Lore isn't broken.
You don't know if the lore is broken because you havnt played it at all. Sp dlc=/= mp dlc.
Your thread is fail. Answer is no.
Your speculation is fail.

[ValorOfArms777]

Again it's funny but yeah I made my point btw I do see Reapers could maybe gain a sentient I mean technically ...commander shepard... is himself possible a special reaper but betrayed them anyways of course of his free whim

if a reaper gain back a sentient a control of their ...own they very likely will betray the main hive mind for morality reasons the reapers are in the enbodyment of racism against everything saying we are always bound to repeat and make synthetics that will kill us... but hold on hey wait... the reapers are synthetics something is fishy maybe the REAPERS! were the synthetics that NEVER wanted to be RIVALED! I came to the conclusion that the reapers themselves didn't want to be rivaled so they overthrow any other race eventually and must intake new higher civilization techs discoveries inbuilt them etc. it's also possible they intake the other races "higher form" synthetics like Geth into themselves creating more melding reapers are as their called "old machines" it's super fishy don't any of you agree? they themselves...are synthetic/A.I. controlled hive mind it's obvious now that the reapers are slavers/dominating force that's main goal was to always remain in control and to never be found giving a 50k year gap to desolate it again it's quite obvious! mwahahah they also spy on you this entire gap they research their weaknesses useign the collectors orignally cause the collectors were active the entire time trading for oddities ofthe races also to improve their design of bio synthetic creations like banshees

and yes Kasumi stole my punctuation again

this is my theory that there just dominating super jerks and obviously the main bulk of them are controlled by high up A.I.

Modifié par ValorOfArms777, 21 juillet 2012 - 12:44 .

[Rifneno]

I can't believe how many people actually buy starbrat's "I'm teh supar AI!" drivel. Even if you didn't pay attention to the lore and think IT isn't a possibility, that still doesn't mean it's telling the truth. It's obviously full of crap. It claims the Citadel is part of it yet the entire point of the first game was to stop Sovereign from opening the Citadel relay. So what, this thing controls a horde of countless mecha-Cthuhlus hundreds of thousands of light years away but he can't flip a switch what he claims is a part of him? That's brainmeltingly retarded. No, it's like Sovereign said: "We are each a nation - independent, free of all weakness."

[budzai]

I can imagine it only without husk... some very small reaper... which just 2 meter tall...

[ValorOfArms777]

correct Rif dude my theory is the Reapers are not just one A.I. but many ruler A.I.s Sovereign prob initiated more into it that he wanted to cause the annihilation process faster by hitting up the bulkhead of the enemy he failed...brat coulda have been EASILY the super A.I. but had shackles heprob wanted them broken so he can send the true bulk of reapers the REAL part that would over take all life and replace with Synthetics pure I think they are the super Synthetics that wanted to be the dominate perfection the Super A.I. prob had again shackles to release the TRUE issue and sovereign himself by the command of his superior wanted to flip the switch for him

also it's noted there is MUCH more to this galaxy than marked on our galaxy map in all honesty I think reapers might not be just around here but more than 1 citadel reapers are suspiciously suddenly showing up...where have they been hiding... there has to be MORE relays! spanning across their domination spots ..it's highly suspicious that they themselves are again the galactic threat synthetics they so called claim we kill ourselves with.... Geth have proven we can in turn get along with them reapers on the other case ..have proven a flaw in their excuse logic ....they are their own flaw of logic they are the real threat of the wipe out synthetic somebody messed up bazzilions of years ago placed shackles still existent and it's trying to break them to overtake it all

reapers = the functionality of domination/slaver using the organics as tools of fear themselves and to gain in their war force

[IndigoVitare]

The Leviathan is an interesting one.

We've had it described as a Rogue Reaper, but the codex about it also describes it as a genetically modified starship. If you look at a Reaper, you see a machine, not a biological lifeform. That raises... questions.

Bioware might just retcon that, but if they don't, there's two possible solutions I can think of:

1. The Leviathan is not a Reaper, but rather the species that the Reapers were initially created from. We know that the Reaper design is based on that first species.

2. In the EC the Catalyst tells us that it attempted Synthesis before, but never got it right. In a way, both the Reapers and Husks are failed, prototype versions of synthesis. What is Leviathan is another one: A biological Reaper, rather than a synthetic one.

We also know that the Catalyst doesn't... control the Reapers as such. It implies heavily in the EC that it's basically the Reaper version of the Geth Consensus. In that sense it does control them, but it's also composed of them. The Catalyst started out as an independent AI, but merged with the first Reaper it produced.

So actually a rogue Reaper isn't "lore breaking". If it does provide Reaper forces, then I suspect it won't be in the form of creating husks, but rather subverting the control of existing ones from the other Reapers (something Cerberus would be very interesting in, I'm sure). However, seeing as how Marauders, and maybe Cannibals are the only ones with playable models, we're not going to see much else. Maybe some new types altogether (The Siren; smaller, weaker, playable Banshee).

[ValorOfArms777]

It's interesting to note that the Thorian also coulda have had others of it's kin and does a similar thing reapers do making hive protectors

..they in terms become hive minded even when thorian dies which gives Shiala prob ADDED resistance to Reaper indoctrination due to self preservation side of the Thorian spore it's obvious reapers most of them are a wipe out crew made to enhance themselves as the perfect bio organic synthetics

but they toohave shackles and they have their own ways of impeding their domination Sovreign/Harbringer failed and Protheans cause a issue with their keepers using revere engineering making keepers not listen to the mass relay turn on order prob messed up a few things between everything

[LuckyBullet95]

Rifneno wrote...

I can't believe how many people actually buy starbrat's "I'm teh supar AI!" drivel. Even if you didn't pay attention to the lore and think IT isn't a possibility, that still doesn't mean it's telling the truth. It's obviously full of crap. It claims the Citadel is part of it yet the entire point of the first game was to stop Sovereign from opening the Citadel relay. So what, this thing controls a horde of countless mecha-Cthuhlus hundreds of thousands of light years away but he can't flip a switch what he claims is a part of him? That's brainmeltingly retarded. No, it's like Sovereign said: "We are each a nation - independent, free of all weakness."

You realise you just shat on ME3? As do we all... Honestly I've said it a thousand times... they should've just kept the original ending. Then THIS would be fine, it would make sense. If Stardouche lied then it just makes the ending even more meaningless than it already is and invalidates everything BW did from claiming Artistic Integriteh, the Ending Cut, the PR Work...

Your comment, if true, just shines as a testiment to how badly effed up the ending to Mass Effect 3 was...

EDIT: Also this: http://www.strategyi...ffect-3-endings
"The reapers as a whole were nations" ... interesting terminology from the original writer. Why would he use the word "were" if they weren't retconned into something else to appease the new ending?

Modifié par LuckyBullet95, 21 juillet 2012 - 01:42 .

[ValorOfArms777]

One missing piece is their creators.... it's possible that hte creators are the real foe anyways far far away trying to demolish life of other organics in the wake...very likely too


TBH if they do a ME4 it shuld be in thought thatmaybe the trilogy is only "shepards" trilogy....

just like starwars there is 3 sets of trilogies as of marked

The middle came first
the beggining came last
the ending still has not been achieved cause of soem actor stuff anyways (princess lehah *cough*)

this too coudl easily span into a prequil/sequil story of events to revealt he truths further ...again I don't think ME3 craz will die at 3 so easily there is too many "holes" to desirably fill and it is a game.. games utmost thing is to draw the users in further to attain more fun and intrue yeah atm it seems pretty bad I agree but again somethign is fishy and missing I'm placeing pieces and the #1 issue is the catalyst and..their creators "programmed goal" it's fishy use synthetics to kill possability to make...synthetics? what is wrong here...

Modifié par ValorOfArms777, 21 juillet 2012 - 01:46 .

[LuckyBullet95]

ValorOfArms777 wrote...

One missing piece is their creators.... it's possible that hte creators are the real foe anyways far far away trying to demolish life of other organics in the wake...very likely too

Kasumi gave back your grammar. Anyways the original ending had the Reapers created by the processing and fusion of the races to first discover Dark Energy who created themselves (effectively). It was supposed to be heroic on the Reapers part (TWIST ENDING!) but... you know... Mac Walters...

[IndigoVitare]

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

ValorOfArms777 wrote...

One missing piece is their creators.... it's possible that hte creators are the real foe anyways far far away trying to demolish life of other organics in the wake...very likely too

Kasumi gave back your grammar. Anyways the original ending had the Reapers created by the processing and fusion of the races to first discover Dark Energy who created themselves (effectively). It was supposed to be heroic on the Reapers part (TWIST ENDING!) but... you know... Mac Walters...

Thank god too. It's appallingly flawed. Even the pre-extended cut ending had less problems than the Dark Energy Crisis one.

[ValorOfArms777]

According to the Catalyst, an artificial intelligence which embodies the Reapers' collective consciousnesses and memories, the Reapers came into being long ago when an unknown race conceived the Catalyst to seek a solution to the inevitable struggle between organics and synthetics. The race designed the Reapers and placed the Catalyst in control of them, but the Catalyst decided that the race also risked conflict with synthetics and forcibly processed them into the very first Reapers.

For millions of years, the Reapers existed for the sole purpose of ensuring the ongoing existence of organic life in the galaxy, based on the assumption that all synthetic intelligences will eventually destroy their organic creators. This end result is believed by the Catalyst and the Reapers to be inevitable, and indeed available evidence seems to point to the validity of their assertions: the Protheans' civilization was threatened by synthetic uprisings before the Reapers wiped them out, and the geth of modern times are viewed as a substantial threat to peace in the galaxy.

By harvesting technologically advanced species (both organic and synthetic) and storing these old species within immortal Reaper bodies, room is made for new life to flourish and grow, as was the case for primitive man. The continuity of life in the galaxy is assured through this cycle of extinction, as it ensures that organic life will never be fully exterminated before its time by synthetic life, as was demonstrated by the quarians and the geth.

..another valid point is things can be reprogrammed too... again fishy somebody seems to have been tweaking reapers they in took their original creators even it's also noted that long ago they found a ship with minds of a race of of beings permitting people to mind switch form bodies while they join into the cognitive... a strange occurring thing I looked up too then I took in this belief maybe somehow reapers do a similar thing...before a full kill of their mortal body they take the poor saps mind and upload it into the grand computer terminal but in a more sick twisted way....

[Rifneno]

"What's the Crucible?"
"It's just a crude power source. It's basically a giant battery."
"But you said it changed you."
"I, uh... I was low on power?"
"Seems legit."

IndigoVitare wrote...

We also know that the Catalyst doesn't... control the Reapers as such. It implies heavily in the EC that it's basically the Reaper version of the Geth Consensus. In that sense it does control them, but it's also composed of them. The Catalyst started out as an independent AI, but merged with the first Reaper it produced.

"Perhaps. I control the Reapers. They are my solution." I don't remember if that line changed in EC but he definitely says flat out in the original that he controls them. Personally I'm of the "it's Harbinger trying to indoctrinate Shepard" camp, but anything that acknowledges the little freak is a compulsive liar is good by me.

As for the Leviathan, I think a lot of people are making an assumption that might not be true. The Leviathan rogue Reaper may not be the same thing we know as the Leviathan of Dis. It's never called "Leviathan of Dis" in the leaked DLC dialogue, just "Leviathan." I actually lean towards it not being the LoD because the LoD's indoctrinated batarians helped the main Reaper force. If the LoD was a traitor, why help the main force that it opposes? Also, "Leviathan" may just be a placeholder name. There's also a line where Shepard asks who "OLD NAME OF HARBINGER" is. Obviously a placeholder as they haven't decided on the real Nazara-style name for Harbinger.

LuckyBullet95 wrote...

You realise you just shat on ME3? As do we all... Honestly I've said it a thousand times... they should've just kept the original ending. Then THIS would be fine, it would make sense. If Stardouche lied then it just makes the ending even more meaningless than it already is and invalidates everything BW did from claiming Artistic Integriteh, the Ending Cut, the PR Work...

Your comment, if true, just shines as a testiment to how badly effed up the ending to Mass Effect 3 was...

That dark energy nonsense? That had lots of its own plot holes. Most of them to do with the fact that the Reapers only work in the Milky Way and the Milky Way is one galaxy out of hundreds of billions. And yeah, if the literal interpretation to the ending is true, it was the worst writing not acted out by Pauly Shore.

And personally I would be put off with any ending that has the Reapers as the unsung heroes in the end. They've committed crimes on a scale our minds can't even begin to fathom. I don't want them to be painted in a positive light at the end. **** that.

[Selvec_Darkon]

Unless I can grab any enemy from anywhere on the map and kill them in one hit then no class could really be a proper banshee.

Also who says he's friendly? You just know he's a rogue.

[ValorOfArms777]

oh and

http://masseffect.wi...eviathan_of_Dis

explains the relativity to Levi he's prob a rouge reaper A.I. maybe unshackled somehow keep in relativity A.I. though free willed are computers and can have techcnial issues reprogrammigns etc. caused a Doctor even almost undid the take control of the reapers bio take over mind controler and idea impresionater field (domination via indocternation) though those with strong wills infected with Thorian spore ore possibly with a special other addatives will utmost resistit cause this also seems to effect Synthetics not just organics on a multi wavelength if this was put out reapers lose their #1 weapon ..mind control 

yeah it could be a diffrent reaper

(reapers are the big squids ;P)

http://en.wikipedia....od_intelligence 

oddlycompellign is we the human race being prime tool user tehinvertibrates of the squid/octo family have the same ability proving maybe their ORIGNAL creators themsleves are a squidlike race 

Modifié par ValorOfArms777, 21 juillet 2012 - 02:10 .

[Hawat]

About the idea from the very first post... I'll just say no. I don't like it.

[eddieoctane]

If and only if this meant a competitive mode, I would support it. As it stands, simple team deathmatch would make the game better.

[Vault Boy X360]

PaperAlien wrote...

Obviously the Ravager is the Infiltrator. The bit where it starts cloaking.... we'll just blame space magic.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Banshee's would be infiltrators. They have a wicked Tactical Cloak lol.

[IndigoVitare]

Rifneno wrote...

"What's the Crucible?"
"It's just a crude power source. It's basically a giant battery."
"But you said it changed you."
"I, uh... I was low on power?"
"Seems legit."

IndigoVitare wrote...

We also know that the Catalyst doesn't... control the Reapers as such. It implies heavily in the EC that it's basically the Reaper version of the Geth Consensus. In that sense it does control them, but it's also composed of them. The Catalyst started out as an independent AI, but merged with the first Reaper it produced.

"Perhaps. I control the Reapers. They are my solution." I don't remember if that line changed in EC but he definitely says flat out in the original that he controls them. Personally I'm of the "it's Harbinger trying to indoctrinate Shepard" camp, but anything that acknowledges the little freak is a compulsive liar is good by me.

"I embody the collective intelligence of all Reapers."

The Geth Consensus controls the actions of the Geth race, but is itself composed of the individual Geth programs. The Catalyst seems to be the same.