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[Xilizhra]

Really, I'd be concerned with making sure the plot is good first before working on this, as much of it could turn out rather badly if poorly handled.

[Blacklash93]

Reluctant to use curses? I believe I heard $***, pi$$, ass, hell, b*tch, and damn several times throughout the campaign. Is that not sufficient enough?

And nudity, sex, violence, and language or any mix of them does not automatically make something mature. Nudity and sex scenes in particular don't really add anything for me and Bioware has better things to do. Why waste time on a nude model for characters when you could make a new enemy creature or cool new armor? Why waste time on sex scenes when you could be developing more important cinematics in other places? DA2-style scenes are more than good enough to get romance and intimacy across.

If Bioware wants to be mature they can deal with dark issues. If violence, language, and sex comes into it then so be it. None of us need titilating TNA like TW2, however and Bioware would do well to focus on other things.

Horrible thing happens to his mother -> forgets about it in short order.

The game just doesn't dwell on it because that could get annoying. Hawke doesn't touch anything in her room for the rest of them game and can take great offense when Meredith digs her up as ammo against mages. Also the post-Legacy scene in Act 3, which was pretty sad. He also speaks fondly of her in the coin mini-quest in MotA. I'd say Hawke moved on, but still carries his or her mother's memory close. Those are just the mentions off the top of my head.

There's the Qunari invasion almost right after All That Remains so there's no time to reflect on it. Then Hawke has 3 years to move on plus a battle for control between insane mages and corrupt Templars is going on then.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 22 juillet 2012 - 12:51 .

[wowpwnslol]

harkness72 wrote...

 DA is supposed to be an 18+ game right? So show it in the future! There's no reason BioWare can't be more realistic and mature in things such as sex scenes (yes, I am talking nudity, if games like the Witcher can do it there's no reason BioWare can't), language (they seem reluctant to include any curses beyond "bastard") and general story (this was done reasonably well in Origins, the presence of things like rape, abuse, visible and obvious pestilence, povery and suffering, DAII seemed to include less of these aspects) all create (IMHO) a much more mature and gritty game that suits DA. 

If you are really concerning yourself with these things, you're probably not old enough to drive.  12 year olds wanting sex in an RPG game what a surprise. There's loads of free porn on the internet you can access - unless your parents blocked it...

[King Cousland]

wowpwnslol wrote...

harkness72 wrote...

 DA is supposed to be an 18+ game right? So show it in the future! There's no reason BioWare can't be more realistic and mature in things such as sex scenes (yes, I am talking nudity, if games like the Witcher can do it there's no reason BioWare can't), language (they seem reluctant to include any curses beyond "bastard") and general story (this was done reasonably well in Origins, the presence of things like rape, abuse, visible and obvious pestilence, povery and suffering, DAII seemed to include less of these aspects) all create (IMHO) a much more mature and gritty game that suits DA. 

If you are really concerning yourself with these things, you're probably not old enough to drive.  12 year olds wanting sex in an RPG game what a surprise. There's loads of free porn on the internet you can access - unless your parents blocked it...

Once again, I direct you to my comments on previous pages. I was primarily using nudity as an example, it isn't a priority for me. 

[wowpwnslol]

harkness72 wrote...


Once again, I direct you to my comments on previous pages. I was primarily using nudity as an example, it isn't a priority for me. 

Thing is, all nudity in these so called R18 games is cringe worthy at best. Looks ridiculous.

I'd much rather they "earned" their R18 rating by introducing disturbing themes like prelude to broodmother battle in DA:O. Now that type of thing isn't for kids, considering the implications of the whole scenario.

Nudity? Keep it out of the games. It's corny as hell and adds nothing to the RPG experience. I'd rather they made a proper romance, rather than compensate for their lack of writing talent with nude scenes.

[King Cousland]

wowpwnslol wrote...

harkness72 wrote...


Once again, I direct you to my comments on previous pages. I was primarily using nudity as an example, it isn't a priority for me. 

Thing is, all nudity in these so called R18 games is cringe worthy at best. Looks ridiculous.

I'd much rather they "earned" their R18 rating by introducing disturbing themes like prelude to broodmother battle in DA:O. Now that type of thing isn't for kids, considering the implications of the whole scenario.

Nudity? Keep it out of the games. It's corny as hell and adds nothing to the RPG experience. I'd rather they made a proper romance, rather than compensate for their lack of writing talent with nude scenes.

I certainly agree with this. The build up to that ecounter, particularly Hespith's rhyme, was one of the creepiest and darkest parts of the game for me. In fact, that's a perfect example of what I'd more like to see more of taking the general tone and atmosphere of the game into account.  

[Wolf]

harkness72 wrote...

wowpwnslol wrote...

harkness72 wrote...


Once again, I direct you to my comments on previous pages. I was primarily using nudity as an example, it isn't a priority for me. 

Thing is, all nudity in these so called R18 games is cringe worthy at best. Looks ridiculous.

I'd much rather they "earned" their R18 rating by introducing disturbing themes like prelude to broodmother battle in DA:O. Now that type of thing isn't for kids, considering the implications of the whole scenario.

Nudity? Keep it out of the games. It's corny as hell and adds nothing to the RPG experience. I'd rather they made a proper romance, rather than compensate for their lack of writing talent with nude scenes.

I certainly agree with this. The build up to that ecounter, particularly Hespith's rhyme, was one of the creepiest and darkest parts of the game for me. In fact, that's a perfect example of what I'd more like to see more of taking the general tone and atmosphere of the game into account.  

I would be fine with nudity as long as it is appropriate. Take the romance scenes, for instance. It's fairly obvious the characters have sex. You don't have sex while in your underwear the last time I checked.

Now if it's done cheaply I am completely against it. 

Regarding atmosphere I have to agree that I wish for more scenarios like the one with Hespith. I was walking because of how nervous I got. And every fight with the darkspawn that happened only made me get even more tense and when Hespith whispered out: "...Broodmother..." My heart was beating like a damn pump. And the actual broodmother fight had me disgusted and aprehensive about even reacting.

It's a terrific section and a mark of a truly great game, something the next game should definitely contain.

[Wulfram]

I felt the humour too often worked from an out of game perspective rather than an in character one. Pop culture references and similar
Stuff like Isabela's "I like big boats", or Hawke's "I never work with children or animals", or even referencing DA:O memes.

Not saying they're inherently unfunny, but I do think they can detract from the atmosphere more than humour which works in universe.

[dunstan1993]

[quote]harkness72 wrote...

 DA is supposed to be an 18+ game right? So show it in the future! There's no reason BioWare can't be more realistic and mature in things such as sex scenes (yes, I am talking nudity, if games like the Witcher can do it there's no reason BioWare can't),
[/quote]

Nudity is something I really couldn't care less about, why does it even matter if your LI is naked for 20 seconds...? To me romance scenes should be more about two characters falling in love, not about rampant sex.

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language (they seem reluctant to include any curses beyond "bastard")
[/quote]

How would including a wider vocabulary of swear words on a more regular basis make the game more mature, exactly? If anything it could end up feeling forced and unnecessary, possibly even cringe bearing.

[quote]
and general story (this was done reasonably well in Origins, the presence of things like rape, abuse, visible and obvious pestilence, povery and suffering, DAII seemed to include less of these aspects) all create (IMHO) a much more mature and gritty game that suits DA. [/quote]
[/quote]

I can agree with that somewhat, although I think you've overexaggerated a bit about the presence of said things in Origins.

Edit: I don't suppose anyone can tell me how to split this up so that I don't have to put what I've wrote in BOLD. 

Modifié par dunstan1993, 22 juillet 2012 - 09:27 .

[Dave of Canada]

Wulfram wrote...

I felt the humour too often worked from an out of game perspective rather than an in character one. Pop culture references and similar
Stuff like Isabela's "I like big boats", or Hawke's "I never work with children or animals", or even referencing DA:O memes.

Not saying they're inherently unfunny, but I do think they can detract from the atmosphere more than humour which works in universe.

Agreed. Felt more like the writers just felt like throwing that in for a joke, rather than having it actually make any sense.

[TEWR]

dunstan1993 wrote..

[/b]Edit: I don't suppose anyone can tell me how to split this up so that I don't have to put what I've wrote in BOLD. <_<

When you want to separate individual parts of a person's post, make sure the beginning is written with this at the front -- [ quote] -- and this at the very end of what you're trying to separate -- [ /quote].

But be sure that those two things have no spaces anywhere in them.

[Cultist]

Witcher got all sex scenes and swearing as a substitute to the world, harsh medieval world, where main protagonist deals not with noble lords and gentle knights, but dregs of society and poor strata, and even knights are closer to reality, instead of romantic knightly novels - they are greedy, brutal and opportunistic. I would be more apalled by some poor drug-addicted scum that speaks like classic english teacher from Oxford, than by some vulgarities and offensive language.
In the Witcher books, monsters like manticores, dragons or imps pale in comparison with so-called "civilized" monsters, like corrupted people, scheming politicans, embittered elves and other common people that do horrible things.
The worst we see in DA2 is protectionalism of father towards his maniac son. There's plenty of themes that could add mature themes for players to deal with apart from nudity and sex.
Racism, discrimination, class struggle, corruption, common poeople forced to do horrible things to save their families and loved ones, betrayal etc etc etc.
All of them underrepresented so far.

Modifié par Cultist, 22 juillet 2012 - 08:03 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

Swearing is just such a common part of life that I feel it should be shown in games. Especially given the scenarios these people have to face. I heard much more cussing in DA2, so I'm happy that's where theyre taking it.

[Chiramu]

OP maturity doesn't mean you want to watch sex scenes in video games >.>...

Although it would be nice if the characters and our main character was written to be more mature than is in the already made games. I particularly hate dealing with characters that are written to be nothing short of children (i.e. Merrill).
It also would be nice if we could resolve problems like adults too, like if someone does something incredibly stupid it would be nice if we could go TALK to them about it. Not yell at them and be forced to move along with the story.
Adults TALK their problems through, so it would be nice if our game experience could be more mature and be written expecting majority of players to be adults.

Modifié par Chiramu, 22 juillet 2012 - 09:16 .

[BKTZLNT]

Chiramu wrote...
Adults TALK their problems through, so it would be nice if our game experience could be more mature and be written expecting majority of players to be adults.

That's all fine and dandy if you want to end up playing a Dr. Phil-sim. 

Me, I like to mash on A when someone decides I dress like a Free Marcher.  But that's just me.

[Fredward]

wowpwnslol wrote...
I'd much rather they "earned" their R18 rating by introducing disturbing themes like prelude to broodmother battle in DA:O. Now that type of thing isn't for kids, considering the implications of the whole scenario.

I'd actually really like that. The whole Hespith thing gave me chills. DARK THEMES FTW!

[Uccio]

wowpwnslol wrote...

harkness72 wrote...


Once again, I direct you to my comments on previous pages. I was primarily using nudity as an example, it isn't a priority for me. 

Thing is, all nudity in these so called R18 games is cringe worthy at best. Looks ridiculous.

I'd much rather they "earned" their R18 rating by introducing disturbing themes like prelude to broodmother battle in DA:O. Now that type of thing isn't for kids, considering the implications of the whole scenario.

Nudity? Keep it out of the games. It's corny as hell and adds nothing to the RPG experience. I'd rather they made a proper romance, rather than compensate for their lack of writing talent with nude scenes.

I do hope you think the same thing about the violence in games too. I mean fade to black and all that, right?! Because if sex is not a mature thing so neither is violence. DA romances do need a gigantic improvement, in that I agree.

Modifié par Ukki, 22 juillet 2012 - 11:06 .

[Chiramu]

BKTZLNT wrote...

Chiramu wrote...
Adults TALK their problems through, so it would be nice if our game experience could be more mature and be written expecting majority of players to be adults.

That's all fine and dandy if you want to end up playing a Dr. Phil-sim. 

Me, I like to mash on A when someone decides I dress like a Free Marcher.  But that's just me.

Well I personally like to be able to talk to my companions when they decide to do something incredibly stupid, aka Anders and Merrill! Not be shoved down a story where I want to be two scenes back talking to the companions about their poor life choices and why I have to help them down it!

[Wolf]

Blacklash93 wrote...
*snip*

It would still be better had we had an opportunity to go to her room and actually prepare a service and have some time with your sibling (should he/she still be alive) and actually make it more of a meaty experience.

What's there is okay, but it should have gotten a lot more attention.

[PsychoBlonde]

wowpwnslol wrote...

I'd much rather they "earned" their R18 rating by introducing disturbing themes like prelude to broodmother battle in DA:O. Now that type of thing isn't for kids, considering the implications of the whole scenario.

Indeed, yet you could probably play that entire sequence freely in FRONT of young children because they wouldn't pick UP on the implications.  I do wish they'd bring moments like that back though--more "Heart of Darkness" turns that leave you wondering, what the heck do I do NOW?

[EpicBoot2daFace]

DA2 was not even close to dark fantasy. DA:O was a lot closer.

[InfinitePaths]

Cultist wrote...

Witcher got all sex scenes and swearing as a substitute to the world, harsh medieval world, where main protagonist deals not with noble lords and gentle knights, but dregs of society and poor strata, and even knights are closer to reality, instead of romantic knightly novels - they are greedy, brutal and opportunistic. I would be more apalled by some poor drug-addicted scum that speaks like classic english teacher from Oxford, than by some vulgarities and offensive language.
In the Witcher books, monsters like manticores, dragons or imps pale in comparison with so-called "civilized" monsters, like corrupted people, scheming politicans, embittered elves and other common people that do horrible things.
The worst we see in DA2 is protectionalism of father towards his maniac son. There's plenty of themes that could add mature themes for players to deal with apart from nudity and sex.
Racism, discrimination, class struggle, corruption, common poeople forced to do horrible things to save their families and loved ones, betrayal etc etc etc.
All of them underrepresented so far.

I agree 100%

[dunstan1993]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

dunstan1993 wrote..

[/b]Edit: I don't suppose anyone can tell me how to split this up so that I don't have to put what I've wrote in BOLD. <_<

When you want to separate individual parts of a person's post, make sure the beginning is written with this at the front -- [ quote] -- and this at the very end of what you're trying to separate -- [ /quote].

But be sure that those two things have no spaces anywhere in them.

Sorted now, thanks for the help.

[Wolf]

Cultist wrote...

Witcher got all sex scenes and swearing as a substitute to the world, harsh medieval world, where main protagonist deals not with noble lords and gentle knights, but dregs of society and poor strata, and even knights are closer to reality, instead of romantic knightly novels - they are greedy, brutal and opportunistic. I would be more apalled by some poor drug-addicted scum that speaks like classic english teacher from Oxford, than by some vulgarities and offensive language.
In the Witcher books, monsters like manticores, dragons or imps pale in comparison with so-called "civilized" monsters, like corrupted people, scheming politicans, embittered elves and other common people that do horrible things.
The worst we see in DA2 is protectionalism of father towards his maniac son. There's plenty of themes that could add mature themes for players to deal with apart from nudity and sex.
Racism, discrimination, class struggle, corruption, common poeople forced to do horrible things to save their families and loved ones, betrayal etc etc etc.
All of them underrepresented so far.

Racism and class struggle were both alluded to in the first game. The City Elf Origin and even some situations you find yourself in like the robbed elf family in Lothering accurately represent these themes.

Betrayal is also represented in DA II through a certain quest with a certain follower.
Unless you are not reffering to the series as a whole, in which case you should ignore this.

I do agree, however, that we should be exposed to things that would validate a mature rating, such as corruption and horrible things done to saved loved ones and such. It would add a lot more complexity to the game and its world, making these more interesting in the process through player choice. I simply wish nudity to one of those mature themes where it is appropriate, such as when (and if) you are in a brothel or you have a romantic encounter with another character.

Modifié par Gaiden96, 22 juillet 2012 - 10:34 .

[InfinitePaths]

Gaiden96 wrote...

Cultist wrote...

Witcher got all sex scenes and swearing as a substitute to the world, harsh medieval world, where main protagonist deals not with noble lords and gentle knights, but dregs of society and poor strata, and even knights are closer to reality, instead of romantic knightly novels - they are greedy, brutal and opportunistic. I would be more apalled by some poor drug-addicted scum that speaks like classic english teacher from Oxford, than by some vulgarities and offensive language.
In the Witcher books, monsters like manticores, dragons or imps pale in comparison with so-called "civilized" monsters, like corrupted people, scheming politicans, embittered elves and other common people that do horrible things.
The worst we see in DA2 is protectionalism of father towards his maniac son. There's plenty of themes that could add mature themes for players to deal with apart from nudity and sex.
Racism, discrimination, class struggle, corruption, common poeople forced to do horrible things to save their families and loved ones, betrayal etc etc etc.
All of them underrepresented so far.

Racism and class struggle were both alluded to in the first game. The City Elf Origin and even some situations you find yourself in like the robbed elf family in Lothering accurately represent these themes.

Betrayal is also represented in DA II through a certain quest with a certain follower.
Unless you are not reffering to the series as a whole, in which case you should ignore this.

I do agree, however, that we should be exposed to things that would validate a mature rating, such as corruption and horrible things done to saved loved ones and such. It would add a lot more complexity to the game and its world, making these more interesting in the process through player choice. I simply wish nudity to one of those mature themes where it is appropriate, such as when (and if) you are in a brothel or you have a romantic encounter with another character.

Spoiler
Isabella didn't betray you,obivusly you don't understand her enough to know why did she leave
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