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HeriocGreyWarden wrote...
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Isabella didn't betray you,obivusly you don't understand her enough to know why did she leave
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Modifié par Gaiden96, 22 juillet 2012 - 11:42 .
Gaiden96 wrote...
HeriocGreyWarden wrote...
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Isabella didn't betray you,obivusly you don't understand her enough to know why did she leave
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She went around your back and risked the lives of everyone in Kirkwall to save her skin. It doesn't matter if she was a friend, rival or neither. It's still a betrayal not matter how you put it.
It's just a matter of whether you think she deserves forgiveness or not.
Modifié par Urazz, 22 juillet 2012 - 11:49 .
Ukki wrote...
I do hope you think the same thing about the violence in games too. I mean fade to black and all that, right?! Because if sex is not a mature thing so neither is violence. DA romances do need a gigantic improvement, in that I agree.
DA:O sex scenes are fine but remember the last thing BW wants to do is make a porn gameharkness72 wrote...
DA is supposed to be an 18+ game right? So show it in the future! There's no reason BioWare can't be more realistic and mature in things such as sex scenes (yes, I am talking nudity, if games like the Witcher can do it there's no reason BioWare can't), language (they seem reluctant to include any curses beyond "bastard") and general story (this was done reasonably well in Origins, the presence of things like rape, abuse, visible and obvious pestilence, povery and suffering, DAII seemed to include less of these aspects) all create (IMHO) a much more mature and gritty game that suits DA.
Cultist wrote...
Dragon Age already degenerated to jRPG slasher for kids.
Modifié par bEVEsthda, 23 juillet 2012 - 08:50 .
BobSmith101 wrote...
What was missing from the city elf origin was the option to leave the guy looking at his own intentines while he bled out.
Modifié par HeriocGreyWarden, 23 juillet 2012 - 10:53 .
I think everything is fine to a certain point. I do not personally want to see lots of nudity - some might be appropriate at a point or two but I don't think a romantic night between two lovers is one. Just like I don't need to see the bumping of uglies, I do not think anything is gained by showing harsh violence. What you and I consider harsh violence and "too much nudity" will of course vary, but I do believe the two things can indeed be compared. No genitalia, no internal body parts - etc.Ukki wrote...
I do hope you think the same thing about the violence in games too. I mean fade to black and all that, right?! Because if sex is not a mature thing so neither is violence.
KiddDaBeauty wrote...
I think everything is fine to a certain point. I do not personally want to see lots of nudity - some might be appropriate at a point or two but I don't think a romantic night between two lovers is one. Just like I don't need to see the bumping of uglies, I do not think anything is gained by showing harsh violence. What you and I consider harsh violence and "too much nudity" will of course vary, but I do believe the two things can indeed be compared. No genitalia, no internal body parts - etc.Ukki wrote...
I do hope you think the same thing about the violence in games too. I mean fade to black and all that, right?! Because if sex is not a mature thing so neither is violence.
Modifié par BobSmith101, 23 juillet 2012 - 01:11 .
Agree. The point isn't necessarily that sex is bad and violence is good - it's that this is a video game, and the point of video games is generally combat.wowpwnslol wrote...
Ukki wrote...
I do hope you think the same thing about the violence in games too. I mean fade to black and all that, right?! Because if sex is not a mature thing so neither is violence. DA romances do need a gigantic improvement, in that I agree.
Violence in RPG that is focused on conflict and combat is naturally expected. Hack and slash has been the core of RPG games since forever. The amount of gore they are able to show, determines the game's rating. However, romance can be played out purely with interesting dialogues - do people really want pixelated nudity in a video game? Even DA2 scenes were so cringe worthy, while Witcher 2 was the worst offender of all.
Modifié par brushyourteeth, 23 juillet 2012 - 03:10 .
brushyourteeth wrote...
Agree. The point isn't necessarily that sex is bad and violence is good - it's that this is a video game, and the point of video games is generally combat.wowpwnslol wrote...
Ukki wrote...
I do hope you think the same thing about the violence in games too. I mean fade to black and all that, right?! Because if sex is not a mature thing so neither is violence. DA romances do need a gigantic improvement, in that I agree.
Violence in RPG that is focused on conflict and combat is naturally expected. Hack and slash has been the core of RPG games since forever. The amount of gore they are able to show, determines the game's rating. However, romance can be played out purely with interesting dialogues - do people really want pixelated nudity in a video game? Even DA2 scenes were so cringe worthy, while Witcher 2 was the worst offender of all.
We have a media for sex already - it's called pornography, or even R-rated film. I don't call up porn producers and complain loudly that their movies need more violence, and then call them prudes for rejecting the notion for their project. "What, sex is ok but violence isn't? You puritanical hypocrites!" "But ma'am, that's just not what we do. We're not interested in choreographed violence - we film sex."
My opinion is that it's really okay for the two to be seperate, and that putting time and resources toward one will naturally diminish the other. Give us more/better sex and we will naturally have less/poorer quality combat and story, and I'm just not willing to sacrifice even the smallest nuance for something that can be satisfied by a simple fade to black. For me, and quite a few other DA fans who I'd label pretty "mature" people, it's enough to know that sex happened, and the relationship has changed. I'd like Bioware's focus to remain on making a game that is playable, rather than watchable. If I get a hankering for nudity there are billions of other legitimate ways for me to see it - let the team return the DA franchise to what made it great instead of asking it to be something it's not.
My point is simply that games like DA are designed mostly for combat, yes? We have a situation and we throw violence at it, and that's fun. That's been video games practically since their conception. It's fine and great for a game to touch on other things too - we like emotional writing, we like political nuance, we like that characters fall in love and have sex. But sex isn't the point of a game, violence is. It's why we had the backlash when it was suggested that games would be better if you could skip to the story - gamers know that the meat of a game is violence. I'm simply saying that shifting the focus away from that so far as to spend precious time and resources on something like passively watching a graphically rendered sex scene is, in this girl's opinion, a complete waste. I'd rather be playing. I'm also saying that being uninterested in a graphically rendered sex scene doesn't make me a prude or a hypocrite for being okay with violence but not sex. In this circumstance (a game) one is the focus and the other is served much better by another media that wouldn't take zots away from my game.BobSmith101 wrote...
Your example does not really work. If DA was not dealing with sex, then no one would be complaining about it. The complaint is how Bioware does 18 rated violence (well it's more like 15) and PG-13 sex. Where as the Witcher 2 is not afraid to depict its story whether it be sex or violence.
brushyourteeth wrote...
My point is simply that games like DA are designed mostly for combat, yes? We have a situation and we throw violence at it, and that's fun. That's been video games practically since their conception. It's fine and great for a game to touch on other things too - we like emotional writing, we like political nuance, we like that characters fall in love and have sex. But sex isn't the point of a game, violence is. It's why we had the backlash when it was suggested that games would be better if you could skip to the story - gamers know that the meat of a game is violence. I'm simply saying that shifting the focus away from that so far as to spend precious time and resources on something like passively watching a graphically rendered sex scene is, in this girl's opinion, a complete waste. I'd rather be playing. I'm also saying that being uninterested in a graphically rendered sex scene doesn't make me a prude or a hypocrite for being okay with violence but not sex. In this circumstance (a game) one is the focus and the other is served much better by another media that wouldn't take zots away from my game.BobSmith101 wrote...
Your example does not really work. If DA was not dealing with sex, then no one would be complaining about it. The complaint is how Bioware does 18 rated violence (well it's more like 15) and PG-13 sex. Where as the Witcher 2 is not afraid to depict its story whether it be sex or violence.
We're crazy if we can't admit that video games were made for violence, all the while insisting that adding sex would make a game somehow less crude. I like my violence. I even like sex - just not at the expense of getting a great video game. There's brownies and then there's pie. I like both, but if putting a pie crust on a brownie diminishes the amount of brownie I get to eat, my answer will be no thank you. I can have pie another time.
Modifié par BobSmith101, 23 juillet 2012 - 05:07 .
I get what you're saying, but yeah - I mean I'm no programmer or anything, but I can't help but think from the way the devs talk that the answer is yes - it would add a significant amount of cost. They can't just "take off" Morrigan's costume because it's modeled right on her. They'd have to redesign a naked Morrigan. If I understand correctly, they don't just start with a naked model (nips and all) and then paste the clothing to it. Plus then you have the added time of motion, lighting, etc. for each separate LI and they are not all the same height. Add to that that if they're going to do a graphic sex scene at all they'd better do it right, because scrutiny is extra high on that kind of thing - it would take a lot of time (maybe not money, but you know what they say about time) to perfect. I'd much rather have additional quests or dialogue than something so trivial that again, you can get in much higher quality and abundance somewhere else. I want great combat, emotional dialogue, and deeper exploration. Though I can totally understand the appeal, Morrigan's nipples are just not even anywhere on my list of wants.BobSmith101 wrote...
But we already have graphically rendered non-sex scenes so it's not like you save anything having a PG-13 scene over an 18 scene.
Would taking the underwear off the models in DA add that much cost ? In Morrigans case does she keep underwear in her tent for whenever she has sex
Modifié par brushyourteeth, 23 juillet 2012 - 05:37 .
PsychoBlonde wrote...
Addendum: You know, it occurs to me that one of the things seriously holding games back in this regard is that no matter how hyper-violent, bloody, and obscenity-filled the game is, marketing still tries to pitch it to youngsters. I mean, seriously "your mom hates this game"? It's a bloody, violent slugfest! Should you REALLY be pitching a game like that to someone who would actually HAVE that kind of puerile motivation?!
If you make a product of a type that it'll probably only appeal to people who might be negatively affected by that product, you have only yourself to blame for the screaming that results.
EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
Yeah, but part of the appeal is the humor. If they took that out, I probably wouldn't play it.harkness72 wrote...
DA is supposed to be an 18+ game right? So show it in the future! There's no reason BioWare can't be more realistic and mature in things such as sex scenes (yes, I am talking nudity, if games like the Witcher can do it there's no reason BioWare can't), language (they seem reluctant to include any curses beyond "bastard") and general story (this was done reasonably well in Origins, the presence of things like rape, abuse, visible and obvious pestilence, povery and suffering, DAII seemed to include less of these aspects) all create (IMHO) a much more mature and gritty game that suits DA.
Sith Grey Warden wrote...
It was almost comical what they did to the sex scenes in DA2. I would much have preferred something like DAO but with better camera angles so you don't see that they're wearing their smallclothes. Or that they're not wearing their smallclothes.
like ME1 & 3?Sith Grey Warden wrote...
It was almost comical what they did to the sex scenes in DA2. I would much have preferred something like DAO but with better camera angles so you don't see that they're wearing their smallclothes. Or that they're not wearing their smallclothes.
rolson00 wrote...
like ME1 & 3?Sith Grey Warden wrote...
It was almost comical what they did to the sex scenes in DA2. I would much have preferred something like DAO but with better camera angles so you don't see that they're wearing their smallclothes. Or that they're not wearing their smallclothes.
Modifié par harkness72, 23 juillet 2012 - 09:53 .
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