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[Cultist]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...
I'm not so sure. Doesn't CDPR get a lot of the profits made off gog on top of their own game sales? In comparison, BioWare only gets one slice out of many of the Origin pie on top of their own game sales. I know I've spent more money on gog than Origin so far, so essentially I've given CDPR more money than all of EA through ancillary revenue streams - and BioWare only gets to eat a small amount of what little I've given.

Appealing to lack of money as an excuse for Dragon Age 2 inferiority is something new. Isn't BioWare joined wth EA for more insevtment and revenues? they told us that now BioWare have a lot of additional money coming to their projects.

[wsandista]

Cultist wrote...

Appealing to lack of money as an excuse for Dragon Age 2 inferiority is something new. Isn't BioWare joined wth EA for more insevtment and revenues? they told us that now BioWare have a lot of additional money coming to their projects.

How anyone can say that the Witcher 2(which was what a good DA2 would look like) did better because CDPR had more recources is beyond me(they made TW2 for about 6 million IIRC). TW2 performed better because it was the superior product, it is as simple as that.

[Emzamination]

wsandista wrote...

Cultist wrote...

Appealing to lack of money as an excuse for Dragon Age 2 inferiority is something new. Isn't BioWare joined wth EA for more insevtment and revenues? they told us that now BioWare have a lot of additional money coming to their projects.

How anyone can say that the Witcher 2(which was what a good DA2 would look like) did better because CDPR had more recources is beyond me(they made TW2 for about 6 million IIRC). TW2 performed better because it was the superior product, it is as simple as that.

That is your personal opinion, why you would phrase it in absolute is beyond me.I personally found TW2 to be very inept and distasteful.

[King Cousland]

Emzamination wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Cultist wrote...

Appealing to lack of money as an excuse for Dragon Age 2 inferiority is something new. Isn't BioWare joined wth EA for more insevtment and revenues? they told us that now BioWare have a lot of additional money coming to their projects.

How anyone can say that the Witcher 2(which was what a good DA2 would look like) did better because CDPR had more recources is beyond me(they made TW2 for about 6 million IIRC). TW2 performed better because it was the superior product, it is as simple as that.

That is your personal opinion, why you would phrase it in absolute is beyond me.I personally found TW2 to be very inept and distasteful.

He phrased it as an absolute because that is what the evidence indicates. Whatever one's opinions on Dragon Age vs. The Witcher, there is a reason that a relatively small and unknown gaming company managed to outsell a corporate giant of the gaming world. 

Modifié par King Cousland, 05 août 2012 - 01:19 .

[Emzamination]

King Cousland wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Cultist wrote...

Appealing to lack of money as an excuse for Dragon Age 2 inferiority is something new. Isn't BioWare joined wth EA for more insevtment and revenues? they told us that now BioWare have a lot of additional money coming to their projects.

How anyone can say that the Witcher 2(which was what a good DA2 would look like) did better because CDPR had more recources is beyond me(they made TW2 for about 6 million IIRC). TW2 performed better because it was the superior product, it is as simple as that.

That is your personal opinion, why you would phrase it in absolute is beyond me.I personally found TW2 to be very inept and distasteful.

He phrased it as an absolute because that is what the evidence indicates. Whatever one's opinions on Dragon Age vs. The Witcher, there is a reason that a relatively small and unknown gaming company managed to outsell a corporate giant of the gaming world. 

The game sold because of all the graphic nudity and adult content included in an attempt to pander to the *cough* masses.If you have to drown your game in x-rated content just to get sells, that game and company aren't worth andraste's ass to begin with.Bioware is not a sleazy company, it has always conducted itself with pride and dignity and does not need to degrade its game with that trash just to get sells and publicity, never has.

[King Cousland]

Emzamination wrote...


The game sold because of all the graphic nudity and adult content included in an attempt to pander to the *cough* masses.If you have to drown your game in x-rated content just to get sells, that game and company aren't worth andraste's ass to begin with.Bioware is not a sleazy company, it has always conducted itself with pride and dignity and does not need to degrade its game with that trash just to get sells and publicity, never has.

Do you have any evidence to support your claims? I enjoyed the Witcher 2 because of it's intricate story, chracters, word and the impact of choices I saw, nudity was just a part of the world and certainly didn't affect my purchasing decision. As I have seen on these forums, many who enjoy BioWare's games also play the Witcher, yet I haven't read a single post where somebody has affirmed that they play the latter series for nudity. 

With respect, I think you're taking an awful lot for granted and are needlessly attacking a company which makes it's products with exactly the same passion and skill that BioWare possesses, they just do it in a slightly different style. Ah, but we're getting off topic I suppose aren't we? 

Modifié par King Cousland, 05 août 2012 - 01:53 .

[LobselVith8]

Emzamination wrote...

The game sold because of all the graphic nudity and adult content included in an attempt to pander to the *cough* masses.If you have to drown your game in x-rated content just to get sells, that game and company aren't worth andraste's ass to begin with.Bioware is not a sleazy company, it has always conducted itself with pride and dignity and does not need to degrade its game with that trash just to get sells and publicity, never has.

I'm fairly certain the three-dimensional characters, significance of choice, intriguing political factions, and branching paths played a role in its succeess.

[Emzamination]

King Cousland wrote...

Do you have any evidence to support your claims? I enjoyed the Witcher 2 because of it's intricate story, chracters, word and the impact of choices I saw, nudity was just a part of the world and certainly didn't affect my purchasing decision. As I have seen on these forums, many who enjoy BioWare's games also play the Witcher, yet I haven't read a single post where somebody has affirmed that they play the latter series for nudity. 

With respect, I think you're taking an awful lot for granted and are needlessly attacking a company which makes it's products with exactly the same passion and skill that BioWare possesses, they just do it in a slightly different style. Ah, but we're getting off topic I suppose aren't we? 

Indeed - http://social.biowar.../index/12883080

Funny, nudity meant nothing to you yet here you are in a thread asking for more, funny that huh? Follow that link then search maturity and Tw2 in forum search among dragon age 2.I suggest you visit the forums more

I'm not attacking them, I'm just stating the facts that are widely supported by their own fan base.If you like we can expand this search to google, see how many fan boys go crazy over the sex scenes.See how many youtube comments say "This is how Dragon age should be" tell yourself the nudity had nothing to do with sells if you want, whatever helps you sleep at night.

LobselVith8 wrote...


I'm fairly certain the
three-dimensional characters, significance of choice, intriguing
political factions, and branching paths played a role in its
succeess.

Deus ex had all of those things and more yet even it was outsold, it was the nudity, youtube,google and the raving fan are against you in this lobsel.

Modifié par Emzamination, 05 août 2012 - 02:14 .

[LobselVith8]

Emzamination wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I'm fairly certain the three-dimensional characters, significance of choice, intriguing
political factions, and branching paths played a role in its success.

Deus ex had all of those things and more yet even it was outsold, it was the nudity, youtube,google and the raving fan are against you in this lobsel.

I doubt that. Obama was given Witcher 2 as a gift by the Polish Prime Minister because it's a great game, and has received acclaim worldwide. Saying it's only due to the nudity is disingenuous.

[Emzamination]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I'm fairly certain the three-dimensional characters, significance of choice, intriguing
political factions, and branching paths played a role in its success.

Deus ex had all of those things and more yet even it was outsold, it was the nudity, youtube,google and the raving fan are against you in this lobsel.

I doubt that. Obama was given Witcher 2 as a gift by the Polish Prime Minister because it's a great game, and has received acclaim worldwide. Saying it's only due to the nudity is disingenuous.

The polish prime minister gave the American president a high selling game from a polish game company, you think about that for a while and call me disingenuous again

[The Hierophant]

Emzamination wrote...

King Cousland wrote...

Do you have any evidence to support your claims? I enjoyed the Witcher 2 because of it's intricate story, chracters, word and the impact of choices I saw, nudity was just a part of the world and certainly didn't affect my purchasing decision. As I have seen on these forums, many who enjoy BioWare's games also play the Witcher, yet I haven't read a single post where somebody has affirmed that they play the latter series for nudity. 

With respect, I think you're taking an awful lot for granted and are needlessly attacking a company which makes it's products with exactly the same passion and skill that BioWare possesses, they just do it in a slightly different style. Ah, but we're getting off topic I suppose aren't we? 

Indeed - http://social.biowar.../index/12883080

Funny, nudity meant nothing to you yet here you are in a thread asking for more, funny that huh? Follow that link then search maturity and Tw2 in forum search among dragon age 2.I suggest you visit the forums more

I'm not attacking them, I'm just stating the facts that are widely supported by their own fan base.If you like we can expand this search to google, see how many fan boys go crazy over the sex scenes.See how many youtube comments say "This is how Dragon age should be" tell yourself the nudity had nothing to do with sells if you want, whatever helps you sleep at night.

LobselVith8 wrote...


I'm fairly certain the
three-dimensional characters, significance of choice, intriguing
political factions, and branching paths played a role in its
succeess.

Deus ex had all of those things and more yet even it was outsold, it was the nudity, youtube,google and the raving fan are against you in this lobsel.

Nope, you're completely ignoring the popularity of Andrzej's novels, the television series, the success of TW, intricate story, characters(Dandelion, Iorveth, Roche, Letho.), Visuals & gameplay, and Geralt being a better main than Hawke could ever wish to be.

Using Youtube comments as an indicator for TW2's popularity is lame. Doing the same for DA and ME would make the fandom look like a bunch of shoujo/dating sim tards.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 05 août 2012 - 02:50 .

[Emzamination]

The Hierophant wrote...


Nope, you're completely ignoring the popularity of Andrzej's novels, the television series, the success of TW, intricate story, characters(Dandelion, Iorveth, Roche, Letho.), Visuals & gameplay, and Geralt being a better main than Hawke could ever wish to be.

Using Youtube comments as an indicator for TW2's popularity is a lame. Doing the same for DA and ME would make the fandom look like shoujo/dating sim tards.

The novels were popular in poland, the television series only ran one season and the movie was polish.Geralt was portrayed as some wannabe fanatasy giggalo.What makes geralt a better main than hawke exactly?

Individual expressed opinion is fair game no matter the location

[The Hierophant]

[quote]Emzamination wrote...

[quote]The Hierophant wrote...


Nope, you're completely ignoring the popularity of Andrzej's novels, the television series, the success of TW, intricate story, characters(Dandelion, Iorveth, Roche, Letho.), Visuals & gameplay, and Geralt being a better main than Hawke could ever wish to be.

Using Youtube comments as an indicator for TW2's popularity is a lame. Doing the same for DA and ME would make the fandom look like shoujo/dating sim tards.[/quote]

The novels were popular in poland, the television series only ran one season and the movie was polish.Geralt was portrayed as some wannabe fanatasy giggalo.What makes geralt a better main than hawke exactly?[/quote]
Hawke was an over glorified deliveryboy/bystander who's ineffectiveness was easily overshadowed by Anders, Isabela, Meredith. Basicly he was Vaan 2.0.(FF12)


[quote]Individual expressed opinion is fair game no matter the location [/quote]Hmm...

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Modifié par The Hierophant, 05 août 2012 - 03:07 .

[LobselVith8]

Emzamination wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I doubt that. Obama was given Witcher 2 as a gift by the Polish Prime Minister because it's a great game, and has received acclaim worldwide. Saying it's only due to the nudity is disingenuous.

The polish prime minister gave the American president a high selling game from a polish game company, you think about that for a while and call me disingenuous again

I think it's an indicator that The Witcher 2 was an achievement to be proud of. The story has developed characters, unlike Dragon Age II, which had one-dimensional templars on one side, and insane and stupid mages on the other. Is that an example of what Bioware should be proud of? Or is it the passive protagonist who watched a man get killed right in front of him while he did nothing, and his habit of doing nothing for years at a time? I don't see what's entertaining about that.

[Emzamination]

[quote]The Hierophant wrote...


Hawke was an over glorified deliveryboy/bystander who's ineffectiveness was easily overshadowed by Anders, Isabela, Meredith. Basicly he was Vaan 2.0.(FF12)


[quote]Individual expressed opinion is fair game no matter the location [/quote]Hmm...

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Tsk I don't know if I would say he was ever glorified...the delivery was merely a conduit to other events.Anders I can agree overshadowed anything a pro mage hawke tried to establish but isabela and meredith? seriously? <_< Hawke actually had the power to shape certain aspects of the world and affect it on a global level, vaan meerly played the audience as events unfolded out of his control

[wsandista]

Emzamination wrote...

The game sold because of all the graphic nudity and adult content included in an attempt to pander to the *cough* masses.

Funny, I thought TW2 sold because it was executed well, gave the player plenty of choice, told an intriguing story, clearly improved over TW, was DRM free, all DLC was free, broke from high fantasy, etc. Whenever I pop into a Witcher forum, nudity and adult content are rarely discussed. Most gamers usually go to other sources for that sort of thing.

If you have to drown your game in x-rated content just to get sells, that game and company aren't worth andraste's ass to begin with.

Have you played TW2? I'm asking because it was not drowned in x-rated content at all. There is maybe 10 or 15 minutes of nudity in a 40 hour game.

Do you think that the original Halloween is also packed full of x-rated content?

Bioware is not a sleazy company, it has always conducted itself with pride and dignity and does not need to degrade its game with that trash just to get sells and publicity, never has.

Have you seen how Bioware's last three releases have done?

DA2: Pissed off a good chunk of the DAO fanbase, many of who did not buy DA2, sold around half of what DAO sold, despite having more sales in the first week of release, price is currently lower than DAO
ME3: Pissed off a good chunk of ME fanbase, sales plunged after first week, price is down about 33% on all platforms after 5 months on the market
SWTOR: Down about 700,000 from the servers in less than 9 months, going F2P next month, price going down to 14.99

Obviously they aren't doing something right, might as well appeal to the masses. It isn't like they can do much worse.

[Emzamination]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I think it's an indicator that The Witcher 2 was an achievement to be proud of. The story has developed characters, unlike Dragon Age II, which had one-dimensional templars on one side, and insane and stupid mages on the other. Is that an example of what Bioware should be proud of? Or is it the passive protagonist who watched a man get killed right in front of him while he did nothing, and his habit of doing nothing for years at a time? I don't see what's entertaining about that.

No, It was simply the polish prime minister promoting polands current pride and joy, he doesn't care about the game itself but its semi global popularity is something a political figure would be interested in milking.I doubt the man even head the name Cdpr before his advisors briefed him on it. It was politics lobsel, nothing more.

[wsandista]

LobselVith8 wrote...


I think it's an indicator that The Witcher 2 was an achievement to be proud of. The story has developed characters, unlike Dragon Age II, which had one-dimensional templars on one side, and insane and stupid mages on the other. Is that an example of what Bioware should be proud of? Or is it the passive protagonist who watched a man get killed right in front of him while he did nothing, and his habit of doing nothing for years at a time? I don't see what's entertaining about that.

I couldn't agree with this more.

[The Hierophant]

Emzamination wrote...

Tsk I don't know if I would say he was ever glorified...the delivery was merely a conduit to other events.Anders I can agree overshadowed anything a pro mage hawke tried to establish but isabela and meredith? seriously? <_< Hawke actually had the power to shape certain aspects of the world and affect it on a global level, vaan meerly played the audience as events unfolded out of his control

Isabela was the main reason for the Qunari being in Kirkwall to begin with. Meredith's policies, harsh treatment of mages, further descent into madness, far outweigh Hawke's ham fisted importance due to the fact that she was the Knight Commander, and de facto leader of Kirkwall. Outside of Legacy(Malcolm's blood), you could replace Hawke with  a random fodder character, and the events of the game would progress with little difference.

Heck, Varric convinced Cassandra that Hawke was in the wrong place at the wrong time for 10 years in a row.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 05 août 2012 - 03:43 .

[Emzamination]

wsandista wrote...


Funny, I thought TW2 sold because it was executed well, gave the player plenty of choice, told an intriguing story, clearly improved over TW, was DRM free, all DLC was free, broke from high fantasy, etc. Whenever I pop into a Witcher forum, nudity and adult content are rarely discussed. Most gamers usually go to other sources for that sort of thing.

Wrong, there were a total of 13 choices excluding dlc (17) that had any signifigance on the story, does not define plenty of choice in my book.Ugh if free DLC is what makes sells, bioware doesn't need them.Lies, I noticed you said 'a' witcher forum, pretty vague, what witcher forum is this?

If you have to drown your game in x-rated content just to get sells, that game and company aren't worth andraste's ass to begin with.

Have you played TW2? I'm asking because it was not drowned in x-rated content at all. There is maybe 10 or 15 minutes of nudity in a 40 hour game.

Do you think that the original Halloween is also packed full of x-rated content?

I'm speaking in regards to the content itself, not its time table.

Have you seen how Bioware's last three releases have done?

DA2: Pissed off a good chunk of the DAO fanbase, many of who did not buy DA2, sold around half of what DAO sold, despite having more sales in the first week of release, price is currently lower than DAO
ME3: Pissed off a good chunk of ME fanbase, sales plunged after first week, price is down about 33% on all platforms after 5 months on the market
SWTOR: Down about 700,000 from the servers in less than 9 months, going F2P next month, price going down to 14.99

Obviously they aren't doing something right, might as well appeal to the masses. It isn't like they can do much worse.

Sale numbers do not make a game great, there are many games that didn't have good sales but became cult classics such as the original Fall outs, ice wind dale and planescape

I'll give you me3 but it's sales had nothing to do with the game's problems.

Swtor should never have been a mmo to begin with, I've never been shy with that point.

The masses don't know what they want and contradict themselves constantly as we withnessed at pax

[Emzamination]

The Hierophant wrote...

Isabela was the main reason for the Qunari being in Kirkwall to begin with. Meredith's policies, harsh treatment of mages, further descent into madness, far outweigh Hawke's ham fisted importance due to the fact that she was the Knight Commander, and de facto leader of Kirkwall. Outside of Legacy(Malcolm's blood), you could replace Hawke with  a random fodder character, and the events of the game would progress with little difference.

Heck, Varric convinced Cassandra that Hawke was in the wrong place at the wrong time for 10 years in a row.

The qunari and isbella is a semi seperate plot from what hawke was trying to achieve.Hawke was trying to deal with the the invasion and the relic just happened to give the qunari some peace but it wasn't the direct reason for events tho it was an indirect catalyst. Meredith served her role as an antagonist to bring  everything to a boiling point, she didn't make hawke decisions not matter in fact she did quite the opposite.The same can be said for the warden and any of his companions save for morrigan, I don't believe the protagonist history themselves will ever be as important as the roles they play in this series.Look at the novels, alistair replaces the warden completely and the world is still progressing in the same direction.

[wsandista]

Emzamination wrote...

Wrong, there were a total of 13 choices excluding dlc (17) that had any signifigance on the story, does not define plenty of choice in my book.Ugh if free DLC is what makes sells, bioware doesn't need them.Lies,

Those choices actually had an impact though. Choices in DA2 did not have the same impact as the choices as TW2. For example, both games have you side with one group or the other. In TW2 the choice leads to a completely different act 2, In DA2 you fight the same bosses in the same order.

Never said Free DLC was the reason, but it did factor into it. It is nice not to pay 7 dollars for maybe an hour of content and get that hour for free.

I noticed you said 'a' witcher forum, pretty vague, what witcher forum is this?

This one.

I'm speaking in regards to the content itself, not its time table.

In that case DA2 is a dating sim because it had romance scenes.

Sale numbers do not make a game great, there are many games that didn't have good sales but became cult classics such as the original Fall outs, ice wind dale and planescape

Never said they did, but when you have a game released by the same team, under the same franchise name, and sell half the copies as the orginal, something is wrong.

I'll give you me3 but it's sales had nothing to do with the game's problems.

Did you miss the "pissed off" part? That was the first thing I wrote about both ME3 and DA2. ME3 and DA2 did things quite a bit of people hated, and were appropriately taken to task for it.

Swtor should never have been a mmo to begin with, I've never been shy with that point.

Absolutely. Bioware just doesn't know how to make an MMO. SWTOR tried to be both an MMO and a KOTOR with a dialogue wheel and isn't really that good at either.

The masses don't know what they want and contradict themselves constantly as we withnessed at pax

They still have to be appealed to, they will make up quite a large portion of those who actually but the product after all.

Modifié par wsandista, 05 août 2012 - 04:21 .

[Emzamination]

wsandista wrote...

Those choices actually had an impact though. Choices in DA2 did not have the same impact as the choices as TW2. For example, both games have you side with one group or the other. In TW2 the choice leads to a completely different act 2, In DA2 you fight the same bosses in the same order.

The choices in DaO and Da2 were not meant to have immediate consequences, the consquences of our choices made first from the warden to hawke will have finally come to fruition in Da3 as stated here

Never said Free DLC was the reason, but it did factor into it. It is nice not to pay 7 dollars for maybe an hour of content and get that hour for free.

TIme, energy, money and other resources go into making Dlc so it should never be a issue to pay, in fact everyone should be happy to.I'd feel like a moocher if I didn't have to pay actually.

In that case DA2 is a dating sim because it had romance scenes.

If Da2's fade to black romance scenes make it a dating sim, TW2 is Eroge

Never said they did, but when you have a game released by the same team, under the same franchise name, and sell half the copies as the orginal, something is wrong.

Nothing ever stacks up to the original whether it be games, movies or novels.Take the 'karate kid' and 'clash of the titans' remakes for example, both only did moderately ok because people weren't willing to embrace something new and let the old 80's version of the movies sleep in their graves.The problem is never with the product itself, it's with the fans and consumers not willing to embrace change.

Did you miss the "pissed off" part? That was the first thing I wrote about both ME3 and DA2. ME3 and DA2 did things quite a bit of people hated, and were appropriately taken to task for it.

The opinion towards Da2 was pretty even, some loved it and some hated it, same with its predecessor.The opinion about Me3 however was on much more massive scale that as stated by bioware staff at comic con "won't soon be forgotten"Me3's problem didn't lye with the game itself tho, just the ending.

Swtor should never have been a mmo to begin with, I've never been shy with that point.

Absolutely. Bioware just doesn't know how to make an MMO. SWTOR tried to be both an MMO and a KOTOR with a dialogue wheel and isn't really that good at either.

My issue is not with the way they made the mmo, it's that they made it an mmo at all.In doing so they cut out the entirety of their original fanbase (console players) in favor of revanue, it was a betrayal in my eyes.I thought Betheseda was about to make the same mistake with the elder scrolls but their mmo will take place before even the first game in their series so I'm good with that, it won't infringe on future entries.

The masses don't know what they want and contradict themselves constantly as we withnessed at pax

They still have to be appealed to, they will make up quite a large portion of those who actually but the product after all.

How can you appeal to your fan base's demands when they can't even agree amongst themselves what those demands are?

Modifié par Emzamination, 05 août 2012 - 04:43 .

[The Hierophant]

Emzamination wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Isabela was the main reason for the Qunari being in Kirkwall to begin with. Meredith's policies, harsh treatment of mages, further descent into madness, far outweigh Hawke's ham fisted importance due to the fact that she was the Knight Commander, and de facto leader of Kirkwall. Outside of Legacy(Malcolm's blood), you could replace Hawke with  a random fodder character, and the events of the game would progress with little difference.

Heck, Varric convinced Cassandra that Hawke was in the wrong place at the wrong time for 10 years in a row.

The qunari and isbella is a semi seperate plot from what hawke was trying to achieve.Hawke was trying to deal with the the invasion and the relic just happened to give the qunari some peace but it wasn't the direct reason for events tho it was an indirect catalyst. Meredith served her role as an antagonist to bring  everything to a boiling point, she didn't make hawke decisions not matter in fact she did quite the opposite.The same can be said for the warden and any of his companions save for morrigan, I don't believe the protagonist history themselves will ever be as important as the roles they play in this series.Look at the novels, alistair replaces the warden completely and the world is still progressing in the same direction.

The Qunari and Isabela fiasco was forshadowed in act 1, and was the main plot point of act 2. If it wasn't for Isabela who stole their relic, the Qunari would not have been in Kirkwall at all, and Hawke would not have been dubbed the Hero of Kirkwall. The Arishok lost his temper due to a culmination of Kirkwall being the anus of Thedas, and sister Petrice's schemes. Scheme's that Hawke could have easily stopped, had he/she mentioned it to Elthina before the crap hits the fan, or flat out killed Petrice. No matter what, Hawke did or said, they had to kill Meredith/Orsino, making the decision of choosing between mages and templars look cosmetic unless Bethany is a circle mage.

The main issue with the warden is that they are not a pre-defined character like Alistair and to a lesser extent Hawke. That would make it more difficult for the writers to portray the Warden in novels due to them either being a dwarf, elf or human. I don't know what the canonicty of Asunder, and Silent Grove is when compared to the games, so i can't really comment on them.

[jillabender]

Emzamination wrote…

The problem is never with the product itself, it's with the fans and consumers not willing to embrace change.

With complete respect, I don't think it's fair to paint all those who were disappointed with some aspects of DA2 with the same brush by saying that they're "not willing to embrace change."

I had fun playing DA2, but I have mixed feelings about it, because I felt that some of the changes it made to the DA:O style weren't handled as well as they could have been.

I liked the more exciting combat animations, and the fact that rogues and warriors had a greater variety of abilities to choose from, but I didn't like the fact that many battles had waves of enemies constantly dropping from the sky, eliminating any sense of strategy or tactical planning.

I wasn't opposed to the idea of a voiced protagonist, but I didn't like the fact that the tone and paraphrase system didn't always make it easy for me to portray a consistent version of Hawke.

I didn't mind the idea of a more non-linear story, but I didn't like that Hawke felt peripheral to the mage/templar conflict that was the driving force of the story.

I liked the idea of making elves look more distinctive in principle, and I liked the way they looked in the concept art for DA2, but in the actual game, many of the elves had such exaggerated proportions that they looked cartoonish to me compared with the dwarves, humans and kossith.

I liked that the designs for clothing and armour were more varied and colourful than in DA:O, but the re-used environments took away from the atmosphere of the game world for me.

I liked the premise of the mage/templar conflict, but I didn't like the fact that many of the mages and templars were portrayed in an over-the-top way that sometimes made it hard for me to take the conflict seriously.

I agree that some of the fans who disliked certain things about DA2 have sometimes been ruder than they needed to be, and I'm appalled that a few fans have resorted to personal attacks and insults against Bioware employees. I respect the Bioware team, and I have confidence that they'll improve on many of the areas that I and others took issue with in DA2.

I also acknowledge that, at the end of the day, DA2 is just a game. And if I end up being disappointed with DA3, it won't be the end of the world, nor will I feel personally betrayed by the developers.

But, with respect, I can't help but feel irritated by the suggestion that the experiences of fans who disliked certain aspects of DA2 aren't valid, and that they're all just being needlessly stubborn and difficult.

There were things about DA2 that I disliked, but I don't bring them up just to be difficult – I bring them up because I love the Dragon Age series, and because I respect Bioware and believe that they can do better.

(I don't intend any offense or insult toward you, Emzamination – this is just something I've been carrying around for a while and needed to get off my chest.)

Modifié par jillabender, 05 août 2012 - 06:07 .