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[Cultist]

Emzamination wrote...
The problem is never with the product itself, it's with the fans and consumers not willing to embrace change.

That's just awesome
Tiberium Twilight was not bad, it's just the fans and consumers not willing to embrace change
Heroes of Might and Magic 6 was not bad, it's just the fans and consumers not willing to embrace change
Syndicate was not bad, it's just the fans and consumers not willing to embrace change
Master of Orion 3 was not bad, it's just the fans and consumers not willing to embrace change
Civilization 5 was not bad, it's just the fans and consumers not willing to embrace change
Duke Nukem Forever was not bad, it's just the fans and consumers not willing to embrace change
Seriously, do you really think that Witcher's popularity was thanks to several minutes of nude scenes? That's like Skyrim and Dragon age: Origins was popular because there were dragons.

[Eternal Phoenix]

_xkg_ wrote...

I don't mind seeing a woman naked in a game or anything else really (beautiful women are a work of art) but I don't want to see a man naked. Nope. Don't want to see that at all. Keep it out of the game. I turned The Witcher 2 off when Geralt walked on and bent over and we saw his smelly bumhole. Keep bumholes out of my game Cdkproject. I also turned The Witcher 2 off again when Geralt took his clothing off at the end and started flinging his willy about for no reason.

Other than Geralt's strange habits of striping down naked and running about with that monster dangling about between his legs (o_O), I think he's a pretty cool guy.

Maybe I'm bias because I'm a man myself though. So I don't want to see another man nude. The man's body is disgusting.

Geralt showed his bumhole off in The Witcher 2? 

XD

 

I don't remember that part. LOL

And if it exists I don't think I want to see it....

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 05 août 2012 - 02:59 .

[hussey 92]

Emzamination wrote...

The game sold because of all the graphic nudity and adult content included in an attempt to pander to the *cough* masses.If you have to drown your game in x-rated content just to get sells, that game and company aren't worth andraste's ass to begin with.Bioware is not a sleazy company, it has always conducted itself with pride and dignity and does not need to degrade its game with that trash just to get sells and publicity, never has.

Is this person serious or just trolling?

[wsandista]

Emzamination wrote...

The choices in DaO and Da2 were not meant to have immediate consequences, the consquences of our choices made first from the warden to hawke will have finally come to fruition in Da3 as stated here

DAO had consequences, DA2 did not. Every decision in DA2 leads you down the same path.

TIme, energy, money and other resources go into making Dlc so it should never be a issue to pay, in fact everyone should be happy to.I'd feel like a moocher if I didn't have to pay actually.

It is an issue to pay if the DLC is crap. What was great about TW2 DLC is if you didn't like it, you didn't have that "I spent $10 for this?" feeling.

If Da2's fade to black romance scenes make it a dating sim, TW2 is Eroge

But it isn't. Just because Die hard has a romance subplot does not mean it is a romance.

Nothing ever stacks up to the original whether it be games, movies or novels.Take the 'karate kid' and 'clash of the titans' remakes for example, both only did moderately ok because people weren't willing to embrace something new and let the old 80's version of the movies sleep in their graves.

Umm, Skyrim, Morrowind, BG2, NWN2, ME2, Batman:AC, TW2, and many others did performed as well or better as their predecessors.

The problem is never with the product itself, it's with the fans and consumers not willing to embrace change.

This has to be the strangest statement I have ever heard. If consumers do not like a product they have bought, then they have every right to complain about it. If a product fails to please consumers, then it has failed.

The opinion towards Da2 was pretty even, some loved it and some hated it, same with its predecessor.The opinion about Me3 however was on much more massive scale that as stated by bioware staff at comic con "won't soon be forgotten"Me3's problem didn't lye with the game itself tho, just the ending.

The % of people who disliked DA2 is much higher than the % who disliked DAO. ME3 might have had a larger impact, but the DA2 rage is lasting much longer.

How can you appeal to your fan base's demands when they can't even agree amongst themselves what those demands are?

Decide which particular group of preferences you want to appeal to and make the game close to their wants. They have actually already done that, seeing as DA3 will basically be DA2 2.

[ladyofpayne]

I want to see in DA 3 cruel not in blood mess style but in hard desisions.

[King Cousland]

hussey 92 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

The game sold because of all the graphic nudity and adult content included in an attempt to pander to the *cough* masses.If you have to drown your game in x-rated content just to get sells, that game and company aren't worth andraste's ass to begin with.Bioware is not a sleazy company, it has always conducted itself with pride and dignity and does not need to degrade its game with that trash just to get sells and publicity, never has.

Is this person serious or just trolling?

She's trolling. I contacted her several times through private messages and the "conversation" we had regarding her comments on this thread was blatantly trollish, on her part at least. 

[LobselVith8]

ladyofpayne wrote...

I want to see in DA 3 cruel not in blood mess style but in hard desisions.

Do you mean more ambiguous and thought-provoking decisions, like sparing or destroying the Anvil, deciding Loghain's fate, and whether or not to side with the Architect?

[Emzamination]

jillabender wrote...

*snip*

You're right jillabender, I'm sorry, I phrased my statement wrong.That was meant to be directed at the people who wanted Da2 and subsequent entires in series to be modeled exactly like the original or some other old bioware game, it's why I referenced the movies as an example.Again sorry, my statement wasn't meant for you, at least your willing to give change a chance.

Cultist wrote...

That's just awesome
Tiberium Twilight was not bad, it's just the fans and consumers not willing to embrace change
Heroes of Might and Magic 6 was not bad, it's just the fans and consumers not willing to embrace change
Syndicate was not bad, it's just the fans and consumers not willing to embrace change
Master of Orion 3 was not bad, it's just the fans and consumers not willing to embrace change
Civilization 5 was not bad, it's just the fans and consumers not willing to embrace change
Duke Nukem Forever was not bad, it's just the fans and consumers not willing to embrace change
Seriously,
do you really think that Witcher's popularity was thanks to several
minutes of nude scenes? That's like Skyrim and Dragon age: Origins was
popular because there were dragons.

Did the fans of those games claim the developers need to go back to the original static design and keep it there? If so then yes "It's just the fans and consmers not willing to embrace change"

I must admit, I find it mildly amusing that you think a woman stripping down to nothing and dragons are remotely on the same level when it comes to pulling a crowd.

[Emzamination]

wsandista wrote...

DAO had consequences, DA2 did not. Every decision in DA2 leads you down the same path.

What consequences? Are you talking small scale consequence like who is sitting on the dwarven throne? Because I'm talking Large scale like how your choice canidate will affect the future of the dwarven race forever.How the o.g.b will alter history and so on and so forth

It is an issue to pay if the DLC is crap. What was great about TW2 DLC is if you didn't like it, you didn't have that "I spent $10 for this?" feeling.

How is it the game company's problem the consumer was too lazy to research '<Insert dlc here> reviews' on google? If you reasearch its content and find it not to your liking then don't buy it, simple.If you're a sheep who would buy the dlc just because everyone else is doing it or just to have the status quo then sorry but you deserve to lose that 10$, no pity for you. I never did get the mentality 'I judge this game/book/whatever as trash so it's best to just give it to me free because I'm the only one who might use it out of boredom in my spare time', transparent much? If something is crap, why would you want it free or not?

But it isn't. Just because Die hard has a romance subplot does not mean it is a romance.

You'll have to clarify, I've never seen die hard and from where I'm standing a romance subplot usually involves you know, romance

Umm, Skyrim, Morrowind, BG2, NWN2, ME2, Batman:AC, TW2, and many others did performed as well or better as their predecessors.

The problem is never with the product itself, it's with the fans and consumers not willing to embrace change.

This has to be the strangest statement I have ever heard. If consumers do not like a product they have bought, then they have every right to complain about it. If a product fails to please consumers, then it has failed.

Skyrim is bugged to hell and back but Point taken tho I'm surprised you'd mention morrowind in there seeing as it's predecessor daggerfall was 16bit while it was 32

The consumer is obligated to research the product before purchasing and if said consumer if not happy with the product, they do not have the right to complain, they do however have the right to use their reciept and take the item back for a refund effectively bringing the matter to nice fair close.

The % of people who disliked DA2 is much higher than the % who disliked DAO. ME3 might have had a larger impact, but the DA2 rage is lasting much longer.

What graphics are you basing your estimates off of?

Decide which particular group of preferences you want to appeal to and make the game close to their wants. They have actually already done that, seeing as DA3 will basically be DA2 2.

How does that remedy anything? In the end one group is still going to be angry their ideas weren't implemented and one group will be satisfied therefor brining us right back to the current situation.From the tone of your post, I'd say the devs didn't pick your group

[Emzamination]

hussey 92 wrote...
Is this person serious or just trolling?

You know hussey, if you wish to know my particular feelings on my post, you could just ask me.Don't know why you'd ask a third party opinion on that with our diverse minds,feelings and thought patterns. But no I never troll, waste of my time writing long post.

King Cousland wrote...

She's trolling. I contacted her several times through private messages and the "conversation" we had regarding her comments on this thread was blatantly trollish, on her part at least. 

I didn't troll you cous, I just didn't take you seriously since you came at me all Psuedo intellectual, no hard feelings

[LobselVith8]

Emzamination wrote...

wsandista wrote...

DAO had consequences, DA2 did not. Every decision in DA2 leads you down the same path.

What consequences? Are you talking small scale consequence like who is sitting on the dwarven throne? Because I'm talking Large scale like how your choice canidate will affect the future of the dwarven race forever.How the o.g.b will alter history and so on and so forth

Which are choices available in Origins. Hawke barely has those type of choices because the plot often railroads the protagonist down certain paths, no matter who Hawke is aligned with. The games made me feel like The Warden irrevocably changed several societies, while Hawke made Thedas a worse place because of his passive attitude. I wanted Hawke to be a proactive character, and instead he stood idly by while Petrice voiced her plan to kill innocent people, if Cullen takes away Bethany, and for three years while Kirkwall falls to a dictatorship.

I don't see what's so great about that. I don't see what there is to admire about a game that ignores us when we refuse to do a particular quest. I don't see why anyone would even care about the plot when the principal characters (outside your compa ions) are caricatures.

[Xilizhra]

I don't see what's so great about that. I don't see what there is to admire about a game that ignores us when we refuse to do a particular quest. I don't see why anyone would even care about the plot when the principal characters (outside your compa ions) are caricatures.

Speaking for myself... well, I don't refuse quests, being a completionist. And I don't consider that many characters to be caricatures, per se. I've had to do some mental gymnastics with the narrative in regards to Act 3, but I can stand it, though it would be ideal not to have to. But ultimately, you don't have to consider Hawke to be wholly passive.

[LobselVith8]

Emzamination wrote...

I must admit, I find it mildly amusing that you think a woman stripping down to nothing and dragons are remotely on the same level when it comes to pulling a crowd.

It could be the difference between a well-made game with three-dimensional, flawed, fleshed out characters and intriguing political factions warring with one another, against a rushed game where templars were flatly defined sadists and mages were insane and stupid. Quality tends to pull in a crowd; not poor storytelling.

[BatmanPWNS]

I don't want no boob flashing but I also don't want no bra/clothes sex.

[Emzamination]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

wsandista wrote...

DAO had consequences, DA2 did not. Every decision in DA2 leads you down the same path.

What consequences? Are you talking small scale consequence like who is sitting on the dwarven throne? Because I'm talking Large scale like how your choice canidate will affect the future of the dwarven race forever.How the o.g.b will alter history and so on and so forth

Which are choices available in Origins. Hawke barely has those type of choices because the plot often railroads the protagonist down certain paths, no matter who Hawke is aligned with. The games made me feel like The Warden irrevocably changed several societies, while Hawke made Thedas a worse place because of his passive attitude. I wanted Hawke to be a proactive character, and instead he stood idly by while Petrice voiced her plan to kill innocent people, if Cullen takes away Bethany, and for three years while Kirkwall falls to a dictatorship.

I don't see what's so great about that. I don't see what there is to admire about a game that ignores us when we refuse to do a particular quest. I don't see why anyone would even care about the plot when the principal characters (outside your compa ions) are caricatures.

Lobsel, I get where you're coming from but you're talking about 'choices', wsandista's argument is about  'consequences'

[Emzamination]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

I must admit, I find it mildly amusing that you think a woman stripping down to nothing and dragons are remotely on the same level when it comes to pulling a crowd.

It could be the difference between a well-made game with three-dimensional, flawed, fleshed out characters and intriguing political factions warring with one another, against a rushed game where templars were flatly defined sadists and mages were insane and stupid. Quality tends to pull in a crowd; not poor storytelling.

What are we talking about here? I'm mmm pretty lost now

[LobselVith8]

Emzamination wrote...

Lobsel, I get where you're coming from but you're talking about 'choices', wsandista's argument is about  'consequences'

But the consequences came from choices made in Origins. Dragon Age II often gave us choices that lead to the same outcome, so there were no genuine consequences.

Emzamination wrote...

What are we talking about here? I'm mmm pretty lost now 

The Witcher 2 and Dragon Age 2.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 07 août 2012 - 01:42 .

[Ianamus]

Nudity in video games just creeps me out. Computer Graphics just aren't good enough yet to make it look anything other than... awkward. At least not without a ridiculous and wasteful amount of time spent on it.

Mass Effect 1 was done well, but all of the characters involved in those scenes had the same basic body type, and it was the same scene for all romances. I'd honestly rather just have the type of scenes DA2 had, though done much better please. Some of the animations really didn't look right, particularly with poor Merrill.

[Emzamination]

LobselVith8 wrote...


But the consequences came from choices made in Origins. Dragon Age II often gave us choices that lead to the same outcome, so there were no genuine consequences.

No, what I was arguing is we haven't seen any consequences from origins truly come to fruition.Laidlaw says every decision will hit the fan in da3

The Witcher 2 and Dragon Age 2.

I disagree, it's the story that makes the game, not the graphics, always has been and always will be.Take the game 'lost odysey' for instance, beautiful graphics but yawn worthy story which is why reviewers state it didn't do to well.Then you have planescape, crap graphics but stunningly intricate story and it's been crowned the best game of all time by quite a few huge media sources such as 'pc gamer magazine'.

Modifié par Emzamination, 07 août 2012 - 02:39 .

[LobselVith8]

Emzamination wrote...

No, what I was arguing is we haven't seen any consequences from origins truly come to fruition.Laidlaw says every decision will hit the fan in da3

Except the point was that there are visible consequences to some actions in Origins, while Dragon Age II seems to have hardly any consequences because choice often doesn't seem to matter. The failure of the game can't be adjusted with an additional game in the series.

Emzamination wrote...

I disagree, it's the story that makes the game, not the graphics, always has been and always will be.Take the game 'lost odysey' for instance, beautiful graphics but yawn worthy story which is why reviewers state it didn't do to well.Then you have planescape, crap graphics but stunningly intricate story and it's been crowned the best game of all time by quite a few huge media sources such as 'pc gamer magazine'.

The story in Dragon Age II was terrible; that was my point.

[Emzamination]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Except the point was that there are visible consequences to some actions in Origins, while Dragon Age II seems to have hardly any consequences because choice often doesn't seem to matter. The failure of the game can't be adjusted with an additional game in the series.

We saw small scale consequences like bhelen or harrowmont sitting on the throne for example.All we know is that one of them is on the throne, nothing more.We have yet to see the true ramifications of the seeds our warden sowed such as how it will change the face of the dwarven culture as a whole or return it to the stone.The same can be said about any other decision made in origins.

Hawke makes a few decisions that could carry some weight such as that half elf lad, the fate of the arishok,legacy, what side of the great war he/she will champion and mmm I'm sure there are a few more, I haven't played da2 for some time.

The story in Dragon Age II was terrible; that was my point.

<_<

[jillabender]

Emzamination wrote…

You're right jillabender, I'm sorry, I phrased my statement wrong.That was meant to be directed at the people who wanted Da2 and subsequent entires in series to be modeled exactly like the original or some other old bioware game, it's why I referenced the movies as an example.Again sorry, my statement wasn't meant for you, at least your willing to give change a chance.

*hug* Don't worry about it.


About the topic of mature content in the Dragon Age series:


I think that Dragon Age: Origins felt mature even though it didn't have especially graphic violence, because it wasn't afraid to take its story and its world seriously. It took chances and took its fans seriously by portraying classism, poverty and racism in a way that felt true to life – for example, in the Dwarf Commoner and City Elf origins.

The Warden got to meet and interact with a variety of everyday people, peasants and shopkeepers and soldiers, who, again, felt true to life; and it gave real weight to the game to realize that many of those ordinary people would meet horrible fates as the Blight spread. Even stumbling across hanging corpses added to the feeling that seeing death was just part of everyday life for my character, as it has been for many people in the past, and still is for people in many parts of the world.


In Dragon Age 2, by contrast, it was sometimes hard to feel that there was much at stake. Because many of the mages and templars were portrayed in a very over-the-top way, it sometimes became hard to take the conflict between the factions seriously. I didn't get the feeling that Kirkwall was a city full of normal people living everyday lives and just trying to get by – it sometimes felt more like Kirkwall was a bizarre den of insanity inhabited mostly by nameless and faceless slavers, bandits and blood mages.

I appreciate what I think the writers were trying to do – telling the story from the perspective of Varric, who's prone to exaggeration – but it didn't quite work for me, because it kept me from feeling as invested in the story as I would have liked.


On to the topic of sex in the Dragon Age series:


I thought that the sex scenes in the unmodded version of DA:O were sweet and tasteful, even if it was a bit awkward to see the characters getting it on while sporting underwear.


I'm also fine with the DA2 approach of showing only the lead-up to the sex and then fading to black. I was disappointed, though, that I never got to see Anders or Fenris shirtless  . Considering that Isabela went around in public without pants, I don't think that's too much to ask .


So, I guess I'm saying that I don't need graphic sex in a Dragon Age game (or any computer game), but a bit of shirtlessness never goes amiss .

Modifié par jillabender, 07 août 2012 - 05:24 .

[LobselVith8]

Emzamination wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Except the point was that there are visible consequences to some actions in Origins, while Dragon Age II seems to have hardly any consequences because choice often doesn't seem to matter. The failure of the game can't be adjusted with an additional game in the series.

We saw small scale consequences like bhelen or harrowmont sitting on the throne for example.All we know is that one of them is on the throne, nothing more.We have yet to see the true ramifications of the seeds our warden sowed such as how it will change the face of the dwarven culture as a whole or return it to the stone.The same can be said about any other decision made in origins.

Hawke makes a few decisions that could carry some weight such as that half elf lad, the fate of the arishok,legacy, what side of the great war he/she will champion and mmm I'm sure there are a few more, I haven't played da2 for some time.

In other words, I would need another Dragon Age game to feel like anything mattered in Dragon Age II.

Emzamination wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

The story in Dragon Age II was terrible; that was my point.

<_<

I made that same face when Decimus thought Merrill, Fenris, and Isabela were templars...

[The Hierophant]

^ This bothered me too, especially when my party consisted of Hawke(mage). Anders, Merril, and Varric. 3 mages and a dwarf, clearly we were templars...lol.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 07 août 2012 - 04:09 .

[Cultist]

Emzamination wrote...
Did the fans of those games claim the developers need to go back to the original static design and keep it there? If so then yes "It's just the fans and consmers not willing to embrace change"

No, the fans claimed those game sucked. When you blame your consumers for not buying your product, then you deserve every mockery and insult they will throw at you. That's just excuses, made up to cover their inability to make a good  product.

I must admit, I find it mildly amusing that you think a woman stripping down to nothing and dragons are remotely on the same level when it comes to pulling a crowd.

It is no more absurd that thinking that game can sell better because of several naked girls.