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[Addai]

Finished. Holy crap, what a game!!! I sided with the anarchs and made it out alive. Er, undead.

By the end stealth and thaumaturgy was a pretty powerful combination. I would have done better to put more points into melee earlier, which would have helped with those early boss battles and also with money which was a struggle right to the end.

[termokanden]

It's definitely worth it seeing the other endings as well. They're all pretty good.

[Addai]

I did reload and do the 'Los Angeles will be mine' ending. I figured the other one would be about the same.

Can't help but be a little mad at Jack that he didn't tell you straight what was going on. I guess that's not his way, like he says, he prefers to let people make up their own mind. I'm assuming Beckett got wind of what was going on and that's what his warning was about.

edit- Oh wait, you probably mean siding with the Kuie-Jin or with LaCroix?  Are the endings very different?

Modifié par Addai67, 12 août 2012 - 06:07 .

[HoonDing]

In LaCroix ending you get blown up together with the idiot, in Kuei-Jin ending you are shackled to a coffin and dropped in the ocean, IIRC.

[Addai]

LOL, charming. I'm glad I wasted the **** then. Hers was the easiest boss fight I had. The Sheriff, otoh... I finished with not a drop of blood and only 1 or 2 blood packs left, and low on ammo too. I'm not sure I could have beaten him at all except there was one lonely SWAT guy who didn't get killed on my way up and he was out on the roof taking potshots at the bad guys

[Brockololly]

The "No Allegiance" ending is awesome.

I also love how the cab driver is most likely Cain.

[Addai]

I like the anarchs too much to just brush them off like that. It was them, well Jack, who orchestrated LaCroix's downfall after all. The little nod from Jack if you let the sarcophagus go is also priceless.

The cab driver being Caine is also an awesome bit. Love that! I started to wonder about that guy at some point in the game. Love the poetic metaphor that the blood of Caine literally drives you.

[termokanden]

Brockololly wrote...

The "No Allegiance" ending is awesome.

I also love how the cab driver is most likely Cain.

That is my favorite ending too.

The Camarilla ending  is great too (that is, the one where you're not a poor fool who sides with LaCroix, douchebag prince of a fancy tower and not much else). The Kuei-Jin ending simply rewards the player appropriately for stupidity.

About the Caine thing, I sort of like it, but then again it's hard to understand why Caine would even care. Even the antediluvians did not appear in the game, and although they are incomprehensibly powerful, Caine is a much worse and would be less likely even to care about a bunch of sub-ants crawling around. Cool metaphor maybe, but he shouldn't really be in the game.

One of my favorite parts is how the seer on the Santa Monica beach basically tells you the whole plot. Try going back there and listening now that you've completed the game. I think she also hints that Jack cannot be trusted ("some with swords, some with smiles", perhaps to be understood as Smiling Jack). Oh and she tells you NOT to open it. Can't say you weren't warned!

Modifié par termokanden, 12 août 2012 - 11:36 .

[Addai]

I don't know anything about the pen and paper lore so can't comment on that. I took it to be that he's a father figure. The point, I gather, is to make sure that not any one faction of Kindred become too powerful over the others.

Jack is obviously an agent of chaos- not someone you trust, exactly. I mean, he did set you up to be killed in innumerable gruesome ways, and only told you what you needed to hear and no more. Doesn't mean he isn't awesome.

It's probably my personal bias but I feel most satisfied in keeping Los Angeles a Free State and repudiating both the Kuie-Jin's and the Camarilla's territorial ambitions.

My one big disappointment in my ending is that I wasn't able to convince Chunk to leave so I had to kill him. No one left in LA to call my girl "snack cake." 

Modifié par Addai67, 13 août 2012 - 02:14 .

[termokanden]

I suppose you could argue that Caine appears because these ARE the final nights. It's not the biggest lore oops I've ever seen, just a tad strange that he'd take an interest in such a small conflict.

But yes, it really is a shame about Chunk. We have a local place that sells burgers just like the ones he talks about. I shall have to eat one soon to honor his memory.

[TobiTobsen]

termokanden wrote...

I suppose you could argue that Caine appears because these ARE the final nights. It's not the biggest lore oops I've ever seen, just a tad strange that he'd take an interest in such a small conflict.

But yes, it really is a shame about Chunk. We have a local place that sells burgers just like the ones he talks about. I shall have to eat one soon to honor his memory.

As far as I'm aware VTMB is set shortly before the Gehenna of the old Vampire setting. Cain is probably just killing time till the end is near

[termokanden]

One would think Caine would have more fun cracking a few skulls than driving a cab. But what do I know, I am only mortal.

Also, old VTM > new VTM. Just saying.

[HoonDing]

According to WoD lore the Ravnos Antediluvian awoke shortly before the Final Nights (presumably not long after the end of Bloodlines), and it took several neutron bombs and a huge solar lens to take him down.

And considering that was "only" a 3rd generation vampire, Cain's power level would probably be on the level of Chuck Norris.

[Addai]

And to think that pantywaist LaCroix might have ended up sucking up that kind of power.

[Barquiel]

termokanden wrote...

The Camarilla ending  is great too (that is, the one where you're not a poor fool who sides with LaCroix, douchebag prince of a fancy tower and not much else).

That's my favorite ending simply because I like Strauss so much...and it's the Raiders of the Lost Ark ending

[Serillen]

From what I remember the cabbie is probably not the actual Caine, but one of the Malkavians whos insanity makes them believe they are Caine.

[Addai]

Barquiel wrote...

termokanden wrote...

The Camarilla ending  is great too (that is, the one where you're not a poor fool who sides with LaCroix, douchebag prince of a fancy tower and not much else).

That's my favorite ending simply because I like Strauss so much...and it's the Raiders of the Lost Ark ending

See, I watched that on YouTube and I thought it was boring.  I would have been pretty disappointed if I'd gotten that compared to the other which had me cackling with glee. 

[Cyberarmy]

Serillen wrote...

From what I remember the cabbie is probably not the actual Caine, but one of the Malkavians whos insanity makes them believe they are Caine.

There are many speculations and since writers never threw us something about this we still continue to speculate even in this day :/

Best part is your last conversation with Cain as a Malkavian. I really believed cabbie was Cain that moment but after hours of speculating conspiracy theory on VTMB forums i dont know what to belielve now. But your post has the most accepted idea.
Cabbie is either a powerfull and crazy Malkavian or some hitman send after our noob prince.

[TobiTobsen]

Cyberarmy wrote...

Serillen wrote...

From what I remember the cabbie is probably not the actual Caine, but one of the Malkavians whos insanity makes them believe they are Caine.

There are many speculations and since writers never threw us something about this we still continue to speculate even in this day :/

Best part is your last conversation with Cain as a Malkavian. I really believed cabbie was Cain that moment but after hours of speculating conspiracy theory on VTMB forums i dont know what to belielve now. But your post has the most accepted idea.
Cabbie is either a powerfull and crazy Malkavian or some hitman send after our noob prince.

The freakout a Malkavian has when speaking with the cabby is rather hilarious, that's true. Second best scene, right after the argument with the stop sign

[.shea.]

The cabbie isn't Caine (his fate is revealed in the Gehenna novel). Whether he's some insane malk (is there any other kind?) methuselah or even a lasombra (he seems to be using a discipline exclusive to them in the end cinematic) is up for debate.

[Addai]

Oh, there's a novel? Is it any good?

[termokanden]

There's more than one about VTM, but I don't know of any about Bloodlines specifically.

In case you didn't know, Gehenna ("the final nights") actually happens and a new era starts (the shiny new and IMO less cool Requiem).

I never really read about Gehenna. Maybe I should. I have both the old and the new VTM RPG books though.

Modifié par termokanden, 14 août 2012 - 09:41 .

[.shea.]

Well, both Jack and Beckett appear in the Gehenna novel (and the events of the game are briefly referenced in the novel iirc, it's been a few years since I read it), Beckett being the main character. And like termokanden said, there are plenty of VTM novels, some sort of list can be found here: whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Vampire:_The_Masquerade_books (lists all VT:M books, not just the novels).

[KnightofPhoenix]

So I started my first run of this game
Angela, Ventrue, Dominatrix.

So far it's looking good! The graphics are not so bad and the character design and facial animations are actually quite good. I'm liking Smiling Jake so far. Also like how computers are handled. A lot of abilities so I am a bit overwhelmed but I'll get used to it.
Only thing is, combat in this game seems meh to me, both range and melee. So I am hoping that combat can be avoided most of the time, as I'll be focusing on stealth, persuasion, seduction and domination (and as a dominatrix, I can't raise skills that effectively). If it's too combat focused, I might get screwed. So what build do you advise to those who wish to avoid combat if it's possible?

Also any general advice about anything would be very appreciated.

Oh and the music is awesome!

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 29 août 2012 - 02:46 .

[Dominus]

Yeah, the computer bit was a clever bit. Troika hasn't really been known for the most balanced, polished combat. Most of it isn't too heavy in combat(Outside of Sewers, and closer to Endgame). I'd gone for a Blood Mage-esque Tremere with heavy Thaumaturgy, so not sure for a stealth direction. I'll check online for some of the ventrue skill sets.

Edit: Obfuscate seems to be the main skill set for invisibility - I'd personally reccomend melee over ranged, though ranged has its uses in certain spots.

Modifié par DominusVita, 29 août 2012 - 03:04 .