You know, I've heard about a leaked script, but I can't seem to find it. Was this where we learn of first learn about the Prothean VI? So, originally we talk to the Prothean VI instead of the Catalyst? Really? Does this mean the Catalyst was created after the script leaked? Was the Catalyst something they had planned? http://www.gamesthirst.com/2012/03/22/mass-effect-3-writer-distance-himself-from-game-ending-blames-casey-hudson/]I've heard that Casey Hudson and Mac Walters wrote it, but the rest of the writing team wasn't shown it.[/url] I really wish I had a timeline for this stuff. I really shudder at the thought that they though of the Catalyst to change the story after the script leaked. There's so many better endings I've read from fans and it's amazing how bad the EC ending is compared to them.ZLurps wrote...
Prothean VI was supposed to tell you, that using Crusible woud lead to galactic dark age (From the Final Hours).
Thematically fitting (with what there is) yes, but satisfying? No way in hell.
I don't have a link for interview, but either Hudson or Walters said somewhere, that ending was rammed together in 2-3 months. Some content were already cut before to meet the deadline, (Omega for example) but that still didn't gave them enough time to flesh the ending. We got probably 3/4 th. of what was originally planned.
That said, with so little information available, I don't see any point to argue if planned galactic dark age was Walter's vision from the beginning, or just something he had to make up because that was implementable with given resources.
BTW: Extremely difficult moral decisions in the ending were AFAIK originally Drew's idea, and I guess were supposed to be tied to dark energy endings. I guess we got something like that with Walter's take on it on ME3.
About Drew and Walters: I think Drew has more influence from old sci-fi novels and such things can create fantastic worlds and plausible technologies. Indoctrination for example is IMO a master piece.
Walters seems to be more like a character writer and likes to bend to rules of universe rather than let those things become obstacles for his characters.
Drew wrote novels, Walters wrote comics, I think both have their strenghts and weaknesses, even though I personally prefer novels.
Something that really confused me in the EC DLC *spoilers*
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There are flow charts in Final Hours App which show what they were planning. Prothean VI telling you about Crusible causing galactic dark age was supposed to happen on Cronos station. TIM's story arch was also supposed to end there.
I think one point where you might starting constructing time line for production could be where EA/BW announced that ME3 would be delayed to 2012. Original release date was (IIRC) supposed to be in December 2011. Announcement for delay came in early May 2011.
From what I read from you link, it might be that Casey and Walters didn't wanted team to know what the situation in the last stages of production was because perhaps they thought that wouldn't exactly improve the morale and they had good marketing thing going on in Twitter. I Recall how BW folks posted there how ME3 MP is great and so on.
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elitehunter34 wrote...
ZLurps wrote...
Prothean VI was supposed to tell you, that using Crusible woud lead to galactic dark age (From the Final Hours).
Thematically fitting (with what there is) yes, but satisfying? No way in hell.
I don't have a link for interview, but either Hudson or Walters said somewhere, that ending was rammed together in 2-3 months. Some content were already cut before to meet the deadline, (Omega for example) but that still didn't gave them enough time to flesh the ending. We got probably 3/4 th. of what was originally planned.
That said, with so little information available, I don't see any point to argue if planned galactic dark age was Walter's vision from the beginning, or just something he had to make up because that was implementable with given resources.
BTW: Extremely difficult moral decisions in the ending were AFAIK originally Drew's idea, and I guess were supposed to be tied to dark energy endings. I guess we got something like that with Walter's take on it on ME3.
About Drew and Walters: I think Drew has more influence from old sci-fi novels and such things can create fantastic worlds and plausible technologies. Indoctrination for example is IMO a master piece.
Walters seems to be more like a character writer and likes to bend to rules of universe rather than let those things become obstacles for his characters.
Drew wrote novels, Walters wrote comics, I think both have their strenghts and weaknesses, even though I personally prefer novels.
You know, I've heard about a leaked script, but I can't seem to find it. Was this where we learn of first learn about the Prothean VI? So, originally we talk to the Prothean VI instead of the Catalyst? Really? Does this mean the Catalyst was created after the script leaked? Was the Catalyst something they had planned? http://www.gamesthirst.com/2012/03/22/mass-effect-3-writer-distance-himself-from-game-ending-blames-casey-hudson/]I've heard that Casey Hudson and Mac Walters wrote it, but the rest of the writing team wasn't shown it.[/url] I really wish I had a timeline for this stuff. I really shudder at the thought that they though of the Catalyst to change the story after the script leaked. There's so many better endings I've read from fans and it's amazing how bad the EC ending is compared to them.
EDIT: Somehow my original reply came posted as blank, WTF?
I haven't read leaked scripts entirely, just outlines.
In Final Hours app, there is a flowchart about storyline and there Prothean VI scene telling about Crusible causing the galactic dark age happens on Cronos station. TIM's story arch was also supposed to end in Cronos.
If you want to construct time line for production, one possible starting point might be when EA/BW announced that ME3 was going to be delayed. ME3 was originally planned to be released late Nov/early Dec 2011. Announcement for delay came in early May 2011 IIRC.
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Well if that article is true normally everything goes through the process of peer review. Why would Casey and Mac decide that their ending doesn't need to go through this process? It's downright shameful.ZLurps wrote...
From what I read from you link, it might be that Casey and Walters didn't wanted team to know what the situation in the last stages of production was because perhaps they thought that wouldn't exactly improve the morale and they had good marketing thing going on in Twitter. I Recall how BW folks posted there how ME3 MP is great and so on.
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elitehunter34 wrote...
Well if that article is true normally everything goes through the process of peer review. Why would Casey and Mac decide that their ending doesn't need to go through this process? It's downright shameful.ZLurps wrote...
From what I read from you link, it might be that Casey and Walters didn't wanted team to know what the situation in the last stages of production was because perhaps they thought that wouldn't exactly improve the morale and they had good marketing thing going on in Twitter. I Recall how BW folks posted there how ME3 MP is great and so on.
In production like this you work with the resources you have. You may request more (like they did), but if it isn't enough, or if you don't get it in the first place you just need to deal with the situation with what you have.
What's the use for peer review, if you are knee deep into something and know, that nothing is going to change it? No matter what's suggested, there's no time and money to implement it. Instead you may demoralize your team that is already doing their run for gold on other stages of game.
Other possibility might be that they were affraid that more leaks would happen. We just can't know, only speculate (Hah!).
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that said by main concerns with it is the fact the the fleet would first need to repair the citadel as it is the citadel that controls the relay network. there are also the considerations of the resources needed to repair the relays and the time it would take to repair them, as both ends of a relay would need to be fixed before if could be used.
the time issue then raises new issues like deaths of old age (humans, turians etc.) and feeding the fleet, a significant problem being different species need different foods
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That doesn't make sense though. A scene is written long before the scenes are animated and voiced. It doesn't make sense why time would be a problem because writing is the first thing that's done.ZLurps wrote...
In production like this you work with the resources you have. You may request more (like they did), but if it isn't enough, or if you don't get it in the first place you just need to deal with the situation with what you have.
What's the use for peer review, if you are knee deep into something and know, that nothing is going to change it? No matter what's suggested, there's no time and money to implement it. Instead you may demoralize your team that is already doing their run for gold on other stages of game.
Other possibility might be that they were affraid that more leaks would happen. We just can't know, only speculate (Hah!).
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Remember that matriarch bartender in ME2 on Illium? She mentions that she was trying to push the Asari to focus efforts on building their own mass relays. Granted, that doesn't mean it happened but they have the capabilities and understanding of the technology to at least repair them.D24O wrote...
I think the Asari were working on this. They probably have QEC with their fleets, and a bunch of the best minds of the galaxy are there as a result of the Crucible project. So I guess they can find a way.
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elitehunter34 wrote...
That doesn't make sense though. A scene is written long before the scenes are animated and voiced. It doesn't make sense why time would be a problem because writing is the first thing that's done.ZLurps wrote...
In production like this you work with the resources you have. You may request more (like they did), but if it isn't enough, or if you don't get it in the first place you just need to deal with the situation with what you have.
What's the use for peer review, if you are knee deep into something and know, that nothing is going to change it? No matter what's suggested, there's no time and money to implement it. Instead you may demoralize your team that is already doing their run for gold on other stages of game.
Other possibility might be that they were affraid that more leaks would happen. We just can't know, only speculate (Hah!).
They can recycle existing stuff, for example graphics in Catalyst chamber is pieced together from ME2 DLC Lair of the Shadow Broker and other sources they had.
What comes for voice, TIM's conversation was supposed to happen in Cronos station, they just moved it to Citadel because they thought it was more dramatic to happen there. (Could as well be that they wanted some sort of "end boss and wanted to expand last stage of game a bit.) They had TIM's and Sheps lines recorded already. If they needed additional voices it might have been just Anderson's voice actor.
It not just games, it's used in other forms as media and most of the time people won't notice anything, some might even see it as it's own kind of art form. Then there are always work arounds. Why there are stuff like 1M1 texture in Catalyst chamber? Because it pulls stuff from Shepards mind.
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andy69156915 said
There's actually a very good reason. Mass relays have quantum shields.
"The relays are made of an unknown but incredibly resilient material, the same material that the Citadel is built from, and are protected by a quantum shield that renders them nearly impervious to damage by locking their structure in place at the subatomic level."
http://masseffect.wi...wiki/Mass_Relay
Which is also to say that as long as they have that, it's impossible to open them up and study them. It's the only reason we haven't reverse engineered them, because without being able to take samples and open them up, and scan their insides and whatnot, we can't figure out how they work. Protheans super tech probably figured out how to disable the quantum shields, which is how they were able to study them to create their own. Or maybe their touch power let them scan them. Who knows? Bottom line, their shields are the reason. They keep us from studying them.
After they're damaged, their quantum shields are obviously gone by that point thanks to the damage they took. Which means that for the first time, the mass relays are now 100% able to be studied, inside and out. Not only that, only the little (compared to the rest of the relay) ring things were destroyed. It shouldn't be to hard to rebuild those little things again.
I find this point to be a good one. They could now possibly study them, but logistics might get in the way...
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Anyway, @OP, the Protheans were on the verge of unlocking the mysteries of the Mass Relays. It is possible, though unlikely, that the Crucible project accelerated the galactic understanding of Mass Relays.
Personally I don't think they gained so much knowledge that they can fix everything right away, but Hackett did say "years". The "we can rebuild everything" quote is probably something he said to others just to boost morale.
Realistically speaking, the galaxy will still go through a period of extreme poverty and economic downfall. The majority of trades will cease due to lack of Relay travel, resources will be thin since they spent a lot on the Crucible. Disease, famine, and political instability are definite since a) military enforcement is severely depleted,the galactic council and Citadel are non-functional, and c) most planets are devastated.
But yeah, maybe a couple of decades later, most of the Relays would be fixed and the galaxy returns to its former glory...
... Then someone creates an AI and *bleep* everything up again.
These are the logistics that I would think would hinder development as well.
magikbbg said
Bill gathers the best minds of jersey shore to reconstruct the DVR.
This must be the answer
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Remember that matriarch bartender in ME2 on Illium? She mentions that she was trying to push the Asari to focus efforts on building their own mass relays. Granted, that doesn't mean it happened but they have the capabilities and understanding of the technology to at least repair them.
Just because she suggested that they should research them does not, in any way, imply that they have the capabilities and understanding of the technology to at least repair them.
Bill could call his friend Ted and suggest that they start researching how to build a Scram Jet. Ted could then laugh at Bill. This is why Bill was recording The Jersey Shore in the First place.
Just because Bill suggested that they look into Scram Jest does not imply, in anyway, that Bill now posses the capabilities and understanding of aeronautic engineering to dilligently start repairing a severly damaged Scram Jet.
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Bill could call his friend Ted and suggest that they start researching how to build a Scram Jet. Ted could then laugh at Bill. This is why Bill was recording The Jersey Shore in the First place.
Just because Bill suggested that they look into Scram Jest does not imply, in anyway, that Bill now posses the capabilities and understanding of aeronautic engineering to dilligently start repairing a severly damaged Scram Jet.
Am I the only one who is now imagining Bill and Ted's Most Excellent Scram Jet Ride?
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Blue Gloves wrote...
revaew wrote...
Bill could call his friend Ted and suggest that they start researching how to build a Scram Jet. Ted could then laugh at Bill. This is why Bill was recording The Jersey Shore in the First place.
Just because Bill suggested that they look into Scram Jest does not imply, in anyway, that Bill now posses the capabilities and understanding of aeronautic engineering to dilligently start repairing a severly damaged Scram Jet.
Am I the only one who is now imagining Bill and Ted's Most Excellent Scram Jet Ride?
I didn't intentionally chose Ted as Bill's friend, I just chose it at (what I thought was) random. Then I just went with it. But
Bill and Ted's Most Excellent Scram Jet Ride would be sweet
