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[berelinde]

Maria Caliban wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...


That thread has been closed, it was fake. 

You must be new here.

We have no idea if it was fake or not. Mods also closed the 'Mass Effect is coming to PC' threads long ago.

Perhaps, but does anybody remember the thread before DA2 came out that claimed that the game centered around a seige of the Black City?

Just another troll thread, in other words.

[berelinde]

Yup. People with legitimate information have confidentiality agreements to sign.

[ElitePinecone]

I just find it bemusing that the lack of news means people are genuinely willing to wholeheartedly believe someone who shows up on a forum with unattributed screenshots, and that they're taken seriously, for seven pages, with people apparently taking it at face value despite no evidence at all.

Then when a mod shuts it down and the producer of the game series laughs it off instead of calling lawyers (a 'broken' NDA, for starters, and the fact that they're 'leaking' major 'game' 'features' like a 'player terynir' and 'companions' before the game is even announced), the first instinct is to defend this person - again, with absolutely no evidence - just because Bioware representatives said some shifty things in the past?

Then in a day or two if some other rumour were to pop up, would everyone stampede over there with declarations of truth and earnest support? What's the threshold for completely imaginary things being believed here?

[andar91]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I just find it bemusing that the lack of news means people are genuinely willing to wholeheartedly believe someone who shows up on a forum with unattributed screenshots, and that they're taken seriously, for seven pages, with people apparently taking it at face value despite no evidence at all.

Then when a mod shuts it down and the producer of the game series laughs it off instead of calling lawyers (a 'broken' NDA, for starters, and the fact that they're 'leaking' major 'game' 'features' like a 'player terynir' and 'companions' before the game is even announced), the first instinct is to defend this person - again, with absolutely no evidence - just because Bioware representatives said some shifty things in the past?

Then in a day or two if some other rumour were to pop up, would everyone stampede over there with declarations of truth and earnest support? What's the threshold for completely imaginary things being believed here?

A lot of people, including myself, said that they doubted the authenticity of those shots. It was just something fun to talk about in the absence of information. Without that, it'd be even more boring on here than it already is.

[ElitePinecone]

There's a difference, surely, between speculation ("What if the companions were...?") and presenting fake or invented information as real ("My super sekrit source says these are the companions, believe me!")

The latter could actually trick people, do harm to the image of the game before release, and probably weirdest of all involves someone who either genuinely believes their fantasy speculation is the real thing, or who doesn't care and wants to fool people who are already leaping at speculative shadows, so to speak.

Speculation is awesome, but why is making up stuff and presenting it as a real leak ever okay, or a good thing?

[mousestalker]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I just find it bemusing that the lack of news means people are genuinely willing to wholeheartedly believe someone who shows up on a forum with unattributed screenshots, and that they're taken seriously, for seven pages, with people apparently taking it at face value despite no evidence at all.

Then when a mod shuts it down and the producer of the game series laughs it off instead of calling lawyers (a 'broken' NDA, for starters, and the fact that they're 'leaking' major 'game' 'features' like a 'player terynir' and 'companions' before the game is even announced), the first instinct is to defend this person - again, with absolutely no evidence - just because Bioware representatives said some shifty things in the past?

Then in a day or two if some other rumour were to pop up, would everyone stampede over there with declarations of truth and earnest support? What's the threshold for completely imaginary things being believed here?

Glad you're entertained.

As for totally imaginary things, a source who knows things told me on the strict condition of anponymity that the Fex are finally going to appear as a player race in DA3.

[mousestalker]

ElitePinecone wrote...

There's a difference, surely, between speculation ("What if the companions were...?") and presenting fake or invented information as real ("My super sekrit source says these are the companions, believe me!")

The latter could actually trick people, do harm to the image of the game before release, and probably weirdest of all involves someone who either genuinely believes their fantasy speculation is the real thing, or who doesn't care and wants to fool people who are already leaping at speculative shadows, so to speak.

Speculation is awesome, but why is making up stuff and presenting it as a real leak ever okay, or a good thing?

It depends upon whether it is possible, conceivable (the Vizzini defense) or funny...

[berelinde]

mousestalker wrote...

As for totally imaginary things, a source who knows things told me on the strict condition of anponymity that the Fex are finally going to appear as a player race in DA3.

Does that mean we won't be able to play as halla?

[Reznore57]

It's internet , leaked informations are part of the fun.False or true.

Besides it's mostly harmless , the moment you will know real spoilers , that could ruin a playthrought is when a demo is coming out.

Sometimes i'd like to know , why do they let all the informations in the files , is it necessary?
It's really something I don't understand.

[syllogi]

ElitePinecone wrote...

There's a difference, surely, between speculation ("What if the companions were...?") and presenting fake or invented information as real ("My super sekrit source says these are the companions, believe me!")

The latter could actually trick people, do harm to the image of the game before release, and probably weirdest of all involves someone who either genuinely believes their fantasy speculation is the real thing, or who doesn't care and wants to fool people who are already leaping at speculative shadows, so to speak.

Speculation is awesome, but why is making up stuff and presenting it as a real leak ever okay, or a good thing?

Yeah, look at the various photoshopped/fake quotes purportedly from devs that have been posted on this forum, which is very wrong and could have legal implications.  Not saying that what happened here is as bad as fake quotes, but accepting supposedly leaked info without sources could encourage others to seek that attention, too.

[Brockololly]

ElitePinecone wrote...
Then when a mod shuts it down and the producer of the game series laughs it off instead of calling lawyers (a 'broken' NDA, for starters, and the fact that they're 'leaking' major 'game' 'features' like a 'player terynir' and 'companions' before the game is even announced), the first instinct is to defend this person - again, with absolutely no evidence - just because Bioware representatives said some shifty things in the past?

A mod who isn't even a BioWare employee shutting it down means nothing. Hell, even if a BioWare employee mod shut it down it wouldn't mean much considering how deceitful they've been in the past with leaks (No multiplayer in ME3!)

It was a marketing survey likely being conducted by a third party being contracted to EA. The contents of these surveys leak all the time- see Assassin's Creed. The sort of things being "leaked" by that survey are the kind of things you'll see on the back of the box or being trumpeted about by official EA PR whenever they announce officially. Those aren't exactly heavy spoiler filled things the survey was talking about.

Laidlaw commenting on it is worth nothing. Because he didn't comment on the veracity of the survey. He only made a witty remark on the formatting, sidestepping the question of the survey's authenticity. Why? Because Laidlaw actually has an NDA he probably really doesn't want to violate. Random internet user thats taking a game marketing survey can break whatever weak NDA they may or may not be held to with little consequence. Laidlaw breaks his NDA by confirming that the contents of that survey are true and he's probably in deep ****. So of course he's going to give a non answer.

ElitePinecone wrote...
Then in a day or two if some other rumour were to pop up, would everyone stampede over there with declarations of truth and earnest support? What's the threshold for completely imaginary things being believed here?

The person in the thread posted pretty legit looking screencaps of the survey. Could they be photoshopped? Absolutely. But she posted multiple screens showing different parts of the survey, that match up quite well with how other such marketing surveys are structured. And the content sounds plausible and matches up with what the devs have hinted at in the past about where DA is going.

ElitePinecone wrote...

There's a difference, surely,  between speculation ("What if the companions were...?") and presenting  fake or invented information as real ("My super sekrit source says these are the companions, believe me!")

The latter could actually  trick people, do harm to the image of the game before release, and  probably weirdest of all involves someone who either genuinely believes  their fantasy speculation is the real thing, or who doesn't care and  wants to fool people who are already leaping at speculative shadows, so  to speak.

Speculation is awesome, but why is making up stuff and presenting it as a real leak ever okay, or a good thing?

If it was a complete fabrication, then I'd expect EA or BioWare to say as much. Like you said, they'd have nothing to gain by people latching on to this and thinking it might be legit. Laidlaw had that chance. He didn't disavow it though. He sidestepped. If it was total BS why didn't he shoot it down? Same tactic as when news of DA2 lacking toolset support or a PC tactical camera hit.

Modifié par Brockololly, 14 août 2012 - 05:41 .

[Ilidan_DA]

Links from that thread do not work

It only works first

Modifié par Wiedzmin182009, 14 août 2012 - 06:29 .

[berelinde]

They didn't shoot down the speculation about the seige of the Black City right away, either. That thread didn't get shut down for days. Some of the devs even jumped in saying how entertaining it was.

Folks, Gamescon starts today, Bioware will be there, and there's an international flight involved. Granted, I'm sure than most employees are still in Edmonton, but I would be very surprised if anybody official was monitoring idle speculation threads at this moment. They're probably grabbing brats and beer and checking out the displays.

[Ilidan_DA]

These links do not work:

Companion 2

Companion 3

Companion 4

Modifié par Wiedzmin182009, 14 août 2012 - 07:35 .

[Ilidan_DA]

Avejajed wrote...

Ah I only checked the first two.

I understand.

It seems to me that it was fake. Pictures disappear, closed topic.

[LolaLei]

Good job I took a copy of them eh... Ya know, just in case lol.

[King Cousland]

If anything, the pictures being removed gives more credence to the claims IMO. I'm still dubious, however.

[thats1evildude]

Good job I had a friend carve the words into my back using a box-cutter.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to lie down for a while.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 14 août 2012 - 07:55 .