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[LobselVith8]

Fortlowe wrote...

Meh. To each there own. You see ineffectual or dumb. I see diplomatic or cunning.

How is Hawke diplomatic or cunning by doing nothing? Petrice, the possessed Warden, and Tallis are examples of Hawke simply allowing a dangerous villain to walk away; I don't see anything that would suggest Hawke is being diplomatic or cunning by mimicking a piece of furniture.

[DiegoRaphael]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Fortlowe wrote...

Meh. To each there own. You see ineffectual or dumb. I see diplomatic or cunning.

How is Hawke diplomatic or cunning by doing nothing? Petrice, the possessed Warden, and Tallis are examples of Hawke simply allowing a dangerous villain to walk away; I don't see anything that would suggest Hawke is being diplomatic or cunning by mimicking a piece of furniture.

My god, i wished i could have killed Petrice in the first time i saw her. I hated this in DA2, how Hawke simple let her go away when he know she is going to **** things up.

Anyway, about Laidlaw last twitte, just.. speculations...

[King Cousland]

Not to get off-topic but I just wanted to throw my two cents in on the DLC issue: Legacy was a considerable step-up in terms of quality in comparison to the base game and I enjoyed it (though it didn't hit the spot for me in the same way it evidently did for others). Mark of the Assassin introduced an interesting mechanic in it's stealth system and I enjoyed the alternatives to combat (both features however I view as having potential, but desperately needing polish if they are to be implemented in the future), but aside from that MotA just felt like more of the same in terms of narrative. It had, in my opinion, an uninspired storyline, a character who was clearly the focus of the DLC rather than Hawke, the futile presence of illusionary choices which were overridden anyway, and very little to no replay value.

[King Cousland]

PurebredCorn wrote...


What does this mean? David Gaider's tweet...

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider

...snip... " And sorry I forgot to participate-- last week had been crunch hell, and the time slipped past me. "

Do writers have a different crunch time than the rest of the dev team?

Most likely considering that writing used to have to be completed before actual development begun. The writers and developers are working closer this time around on more similar timetables, but they're still likely to differ slightly. 

[andar91]

PurebredCorn wrote...


What does this mean? David Gaider's tweet...

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider

...snip... " And sorry I forgot to participate-- last week had been crunch hell, and the time slipped past me. "

Do writers have a different crunch time than the rest of the dev team?

It depends. Gaider has mentioned that some of the writing must be done far in advance. For instance, where the PC is going has to be written ahead of time and who they'll meet, otherwise the designers can't design the levels, characters, voice acting, etc.... I have no idea how the details of this process work, but at least some of the writing has to be done early-on.

However, I don't see why his tweet would imply that the writers were in crunch time; maybe everybody was. 

[Fortlowe]

Petrice is a nun. Murdering nuns is about as anti diplomatic as it gets. That she's a double crossing bigot is unfortunate, but she was a well connected double crossing bigot. Lots of those in realife. How many of them get murder knifed?

The Warden Commander? Can we prove he was possessed? Hell, does Hawke even have a reason to suspect as much? WE saw that little smirk. All Hawke saw was a man getting his mind back.

Finally, Tallis. Hawke already stopped one Qunari occupation. Why invite another? Why not instead let the little spy go and allow the sleepers to remain asleep. That list is just a list.Tallis is not running those sleepers. Whoever is running Tallis is. And if Tallis doesn't come back with it, that list becomes a damage plan. If she does come back with it because Hawke allowed it, Hawke gets paid and the Qunari have something to think about. Diplomacy and cunning.

[King Cousland]

Fortlowe wrote...

The Warden Commander? Can we prove he was possessed? Hell, does Hawke even have a reason to suspect as much? WE saw that little smirk. All Hawke saw was a man getting his mind back.

"My gratitude you have...for my freedom..."
"My gratitude you have...a feel like a whole new person..."

And that wouldn't seem suspicious to you? Especially with Hawke's prior knowledge of the Taint and it's effects, or the ominous way that those lines are spoken? I don't care that there wasn't an option to confront Larius or Janeka,but it could have have been handled with more care while still allowing the audience to retain omniscience and hint at Corypheus' survival. 

 
Finally, Tallis. Hawke already stopped one Qunari occupation. Why invite another? Why not instead let the little spy go and allow the sleepers to remain asleep. That list is just a list.Tallis is not running those sleepers. Whoever is running Tallis is. And if Tallis doesn't come back with it, that list becomes a damage plan. If she does come back with it because Hawke allowed it, Hawke gets paid and the Qunari have something to think about. Diplomacy and cunning 

But what if we didn't want to be diplomatic or cunning? What if we decided that our Hawke had purely selfish motivations? My annoyance that situation stems not from the fact that there was a singular, unchangeable ending (given how the base game had run with choices I was expecting nothing earth-shattering), it was the fact that a choice was presented as though it actually meant something. If we were going to experience one ending why bother creating the illusion of choice? 

Modifié par King Cousland, 05 août 2012 - 04:48 .

[Mello]

Melca36 wrote...

Sers94 wrote...

So, when do you guys think they will stop this teasing and actually announce DA3 ?

VGA Awards. There will be a Macinima trailer. The exact same way they announced ME3 in 2010.

That sounds about right, i rather see it on VGA Awards then anywhere else. 

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

Chipaway111 wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

2014???? Are they out of their ****ing mind!!!!!!!
 I don't wanna wait that long for a videogame..
That is just insane...

Hardly, I'd wait much longer than that if we got a quality game instead of something that's rushed out with only recycled environments and a flimsy plot to brag about. 

You can wait 10 years and still get a crappy game ...it's been known to happen look at what happen to the Final Fantasies . And FYI Skrim had  recycled enviroments and noone complained half as much as the babies on this site. <_< You wait all you want Chicken Boy...

Oh and don't worry it's about to be 2013 watch that year goes by super fast. First it was 2010, i turned around it was 2012. I think we should wait a little longer, i want Biowae to take time on this game as much time as they need. 

[LobselVith8]

Fortlowe wrote...

Petrice is a nun.

Who wants to murder innocent people to start a religious conflict. Hawke is in a position to deal with her and save lives when he encounters her in the hovel, but instead he does nothing.

Fortlowe wrote...

Finally, Tallis. Hawke already stopped one Qunari occupation. Why invite another?

So Hawke is stopping a Qunari invasion by doing nothing about the Qunari spies in Thedas? I don't see the logic there. Defeating Tallis and using the list to cripple Qunari operations would have been better than doing nothing.

[TEWR]

Fortlowe wrote...

Meh. To each there own. You see ineffectual or dumb. I see diplomatic or cunning.

That's.... not diplomatic or cunning in any sense. An anti-Qunari Hawke who picks the anti-Qunari option capitulating to a Qunari out of sheer plot stupidity is not an act of diplomacy or cunning.

Remember, Tallis was on a personal mission and not a Qunari-sanctioned one. So... not very diplomatic, especially when the Qunari sense of diplomacy is really considered to just be "We'll wait until we won't wait anymore".

Diplomatic and cunning would be taking the scroll, shoving it in the faces of the nobles, and telling them a Qunari invasion is inevitable and actively being planned for.

Not that I'm anti-Qunari myself -- nor am I pro-Qunari -- but I do know about this option's craptastic design.

EDIT: All that said however, I really didn't want to get into a discussion on this again for a few reasons:

1) I've done it before
2) I just wanted to point out how I found MotA's ending to be highly flawed and nothing more. 
3) It's highly spoilerific.

King Cousland wrote...

And that wouldn't seem suspicious to you? Especially with Hawke's prior knowledge of the Taint and it's effects, or the ominous way that those lines are spoken? I don't care that there wasn't an option to confront Larius or Janeka,but it could have have been handled with more care while still allowing the audience to retain omniscience and hint at Corypheus' survival. 

To be fair, there's never been a documented case of anything other then an Archdemon being able to pull a soul switcheroo in anything bearing the Taint.

And Hawke's not exactly the most informed person on the Taint's effects once Wardens hit their 30 year mark. He knows some things due to his brother/sister/friend being a Grey Warden, but not nearly enough to really draw suspicions on what's happening that don't simultaneously stem from player knowledge.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 05 août 2012 - 07:15 .

[TEWR]

DiegoRaphael wrote...

Anyway, about Laidlaw last twitte, just.. speculations...

Bioware's tweets are vague to the point of being too mysterious? Only one answer to why this is.



In fact.... that actually explains a lot more then just the tweets. Hmm.....

Seriously though, the vagueness of the tweets is a bit too much for me right now, aside from a few of the early ones in the thread. When -- and if -- they have something to show, that's the real time to go mad with speculation and crackpot theories.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 05 août 2012 - 07:16 .

[King Cousland]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

King Cousland wrote...

And that wouldn't seem suspicious to you? Especially with Hawke's prior knowledge of the Taint and it's effects, or the ominous way that those lines are spoken? I don't care that there wasn't an option to confront Larius or Janeka,but it could have have been handled with more care while still allowing the audience to retain omniscience and hint at Corypheus' survival. 

To be fair, there's never been a documented case of anything other then an Archdemon being able to pull a soul switcheroo in anything bearing the Taint.

And Hawke's not exactly the most informed person on the Taint's effects once Wardens hit their 30 year mark. He knows some things due to his brother/sister/friend being a Grey Warden, but not nearly enough to really draw suspicions on what's happening that don't simultaneously stem from player knowledge.

Good point, but then there hasn't been a case like Corypheus before either (excluding the Architect but - correct me if I'm wrong - that wasn't public knowledge and was kept well within the knowledge of the Wardens and pretty much nobody else). Surely it isn't completely unreasonable to think that Hawke would detect that something wasn't quite right, especially when the rest of the Corypheus situation was approached with caution and suspicion? 

Modifié par King Cousland, 05 août 2012 - 07:55 .

[Fortlowe]

As I said, to each there own. You say 'diplomatic', I say declaration of war....

[TEWR]

You said diplomatic, not I.

[King Cousland]

PurebredCorn wrote...

You guys are derailing the thread.

My apologies. 

[gwenhilde]

I have some older tweets to add.

@BioMarkDarrah I'm chomping at the bit for more DA3 news. Perhaps returning characters. A girl can ask
Mark Darrah‏@BioMarkDarrah
you can expect the return of these characters: A G Q also f. Im the only one laughing at this?
2 June

And then
Steve Valentine‏@Stevevalentine

: Steve I was wondering if U R making any voice appearances in the new Dragon Age game? :-)”NOPE JUST DA &A LITTLE BIT IN DA2
26 May

Modifié par gwenhilde, 06 août 2012 - 12:00 .

[ladyofpayne]

gwenhilde wrote...

I have some older tweets to add.

@BioMarkDarrah I'm chomping at the bit for more DA3 news. Perhaps returning characters. A girl can ask
Mark Darrah‏@BioMarkDarrah
you can expect the return of these characters: A G Q also f. Im the only one laughing at this?
2 June

And then
Steve Valentine‏@Stevevalentine

: Steve I was wondering if U R making any voice appearances in the new Dragon Age game? :-)”NOPE JUST DA &A LITTLE BIT IN DA2
26 May

Intresting who it be. I hope Anders won't be like Zevran.<_<

[Chipaway111]

gwenhilde wrote...

I have some older tweets to add.

@BioMarkDarrah I'm chomping at the bit for more DA3 news. Perhaps returning characters. A girl can ask
Mark Darrah‏@BioMarkDarrah
you can expect the return of these characters: A G Q also f. Im the only one laughing at this?
2 June

And then
Steve Valentine‏@Stevevalentine

: Steve I was wondering if U R making any voice appearances in the new Dragon Age game? :-)”NOPE JUST DA &A LITTLE BIT IN DA2
26 May

G? Do we know any G's?

Other than Gamlen I'm coming up completely blank 

[valentine3]

Wait, no Alistair?

[Absafraginlootly]

gwenhilde wrote...

I have some older tweets to add.

@BioMarkDarrah I'm chomping at the bit for more DA3 news. Perhaps returning characters. A girl can ask
Mark Darrah‏@BioMarkDarrah
you can expect the return of these characters: A G Q also f. Im the only one laughing at this?
2 June

And then
Steve Valentine‏@Stevevalentine

: Steve I was wondering if U R making any voice appearances in the new Dragon Age game? :-)”NOPE JUST DA &A LITTLE BIT IN DA2
26 May

At first I though F might be Feynriel since he's one of the few charactors whos fate changes dramatically based on your choices he might make a good cameo for playthroughs in which he is alive, but then I realized it's most probably Flemeth.

I get the feeling that she'll be in every game as long as they can get her voice actress back.

The only Q character on the wiki, other than the Quartermasters, is Quentin... eek

There are an awful lot of A's, but maybe the Architect? Or perhaps Charade Amell if it's a last name. G.. I'm not sure who that could be, none of the ones on the wiki seem exceptionally likely.. Unless it's the last name in which case someone from the Guerrin family (eg. Conner or Teagan?).

Speculation is fun .

[smallwhippet]

Absafraginlootly wrote...


@BioMarkDarrah I'm chomping at the bit for more DA3 news. Perhaps returning characters. A girl can ask
Mark Darrah‏@BioMarkDarrah
you can expect the return of these characters: A G Q also f. Im the only one laughing at this?
2 June

At first I though F might be Feynriel since he's one of the few charactors whos fate changes dramatically based on your choices he might make a good cameo for playthroughs in which he is alive, but then I realized it's most probably Flemeth.

I get the feeling that she'll be in every game as long as they can get her voice actress back.

The only Q character on the wiki, other than the Quartermasters, is Quentin... eek

There are an awful lot of A's, but maybe the Architect? Or perhaps Charade Amell if it's a last name. G.. I'm not sure who that could be, none of the ones on the wiki seem exceptionally likely.. Unless it's the last name in which case someone from the Guerrin family (eg. Conner or Teagan?).

Speculation is fun .

Um...before you get too excited, I think that he was making a joke: 'characters' = 'letters of the alphabet'.
Hence "I'm the only one laughing at this?"

Modifié par smallwhippet, 06 août 2012 - 07:38 .

[Absafraginlootly]

smallwhippet wrote...

Absafraginlootly wrote...


@BioMarkDarrah I'm chomping at the bit for more DA3 news. Perhaps returning characters. A girl can ask
Mark Darrah‏@BioMarkDarrah
you can expect the return of these characters: A G Q also f. Im the only one laughing at this?
2 June

At first I though F might be Feynriel since he's one of the few charactors whos fate changes dramatically based on your choices he might make a good cameo for playthroughs in which he is alive, but then I realized it's most probably Flemeth.

I get the feeling that she'll be in every game as long as they can get her voice actress back.

The only Q character on the wiki, other than the Quartermasters, is Quentin... eek

There are an awful lot of A's, but maybe the Architect? Or perhaps Charade Amell if it's a last name. G.. I'm not sure who that could be, none of the ones on the wiki seem exceptionally likely.. Unless it's the last name in which case someone from the Guerrin family (eg. Conner or Teagan?).

Speculation is fun .

Um...before you get too excited, I think that he was making a joke: 'characters' = 'letters of the alphabet'.
Hence "I'm the only one laughing at this?"

Ah, another one of those puns that are so out in the open I don't even register them as puns, just coincidences.*shrugs* Eh, I already thought it could just as easily mean something insignificant, not quite that unrelated mind you but these devs be tricksey.

Though I still think it would be interesting for some of those characters to come back, not Quentin though, that would be silly.

Modifié par Absafraginlootly, 06 août 2012 - 07:55 .

[Melca36]

valentine3 wrote...

Wait, no Alistair?

That was back in May, things could be different now.