dreman9999 wrote...
1. Control and destroy was talked about way before the end of ME3. Added he has no control over what destroy and control does. The ones that did were the past cycles. You onl;y have control over how well it does those options.
Only synthesisthe catalyst has control over.
2.Control and destroy clear can lead to future failure.Synthesis would not
1. TIM was DEVELOPING a means to control the reapers. It is never implied that the Crucible could control anyone until the very end (right before he dies) and even then it's just the word of an indoctrinated man who believes the Crucible can be used to control; an indoctrinated man who NEEDS Shepard to believe. If the Crucible controling the reapers was presented way before the end what was the point of Sanctuary? Why do all this pointless research if TIM knows that all he has to do is use the Crucible? If Control is a function of the Crucible, why is it built into the Citadel?
Just moments earlier, Shepard argued with The Illusive Man against this very course of action. His exact statements were, “You're playing with things you don't understand. With power you shouldn't be able to use” and Shepard can question TIM asking, “Are you willing to bet humanity's existence on it?” Yet all it takes is one confirmation from the Reapers that it can work for Shepard to completely reverse his position on the subject. So now, betting humanity’s existence on the endorsement of the Reapers (who are currently doing their best to destroy all space-faring species) is now an acceptable risk. Recall what indoctrinated TIM said to Shepard when he asks, "Why waste your time with us if you can control the Reapers?" TIM (under Reaper influence) answers, "Because... I need you to believe." But you see, it's not TIM who needs Shepard to believe. TIM has the physical capacity to open the arms himself. It's the Reapers who need Shepard to believe. They are trying to indoctrinate Shepard through TIM as the Reapers tried to indoctrinate Kahlee Sanders through Paul Grayson. This is why this ending cannot be taken seriously. http://social.biowar...9625/1#13059664
So, no. The control option is not known to Shepard until Catalyst says so. And your final conversation with TIM reveals that the Reapers want Shepard to choose Control. If you picked Control - Congratulations. You were successfully indoctrinated.
2. That line of thinking assumes that the Catalyst's twisted assertions are correct. Which they cannot be.
2. Its Flawed Logic
1. Organics, if allowed to self determinate, will inevitably create synthetic life to compensate for organic limitations.
2. Synthetics, because they are created by organics, are initially limited by the imagination of their creators.
3. Synthetics, if allowed to self determinate, will improve themselves and thus surpass their creators.
4. Organics seek perfect through technology. Synthetics seek perfection through understanding.
5. This, in and of itself, will lead to conflict… somehow.
6. The created (superior) will destroy the creator (inferior).
And presumably the destruction of their immediate creators won’t satisfy the synthetics’ bloodlust. For they will then reach out across the stars and systematically wipe out every pocket of organic existence in the known galaxy just for kicks.
Correct me if I missed anything.
It’s not just the huge leap of logic between #4 and #5 that is the problem. The very conditions that supposedly led to the creation of the Reapers are self contradicting.
The extinction of all organic life in the galaxy? This has never happened prior to the creation of the Reapers. Otherwise, there would be no organics. So the Catalyst is working on an assumption, not a mountain of proof. Organics created the Catalyst in order to find a solution to an inevitably violent organic-synthetic schism; a conflict that obviously did not affect these organics as they obviously had the means to not go extinct before the Catalyst’s introduction into the equation. They had the means to police the galaxy themselves evident in their creation of the reaper technology (i.e. being at the top of the technological ladder). And assuming they were afraid of the mere possibility that synthetics would eventually destroy all organic life, their solution - create a synthetic and put it in charge - is… bizarre.
The Catalyst’s research into the matter? Obviously none if it was conclusive since organics are very much still here. As far as we are able to deduce the Reapers harvest organic civilizations once they reach a certain technological level. This is irrespective of rather or not there is an imminent non-reaper synthetic threat. They did not wait for the Geth to initiate our “inevitable” genocide. They did not wait for the Zha’til to “inevitably” wipe out the Protheans. Like the Geth in our cycle, the zha’til only became aggressive after reaper influence. Who knows how long ago it has been since the Catalyst decided to predict the future based on what can only be partial evidence taken from an insufficient sample size.
Question: What kind of sample size does one need to calculate a probability when measuring in infinity?
Answer: Not enough
The writers want to convey this idea that the reapers have a mountain of evidence spanning millions of years when they can only have a dirt pile at best. A dirt pile next to the hole they dug themselves. The Catalyst is created to find a solution to the problem of synthetics destroying all organic life. A problem that cannot have actually existed to begin with as any power on the part of organics to do anything against it is contrary to the idea of there being a credible threat. http://social.biowar...9625/1#13059655
Synthesis is not fool proof. In fact, Synthesis would have to brain wash everyone in order to end all conflicts. Essentially, Synthesis is the huskification of everyone in order to impose the will of the Reapers unto everyone. If Synthesis is inevitable there is no need to choose. The Catalyst must retreat the Reaper forces and allow us to reach synthesis on our own, right? Wrong. If you refuse it will continue the cycle. So much for the "inevitability" of Synthesis. The Catalyst lies to you from the very start it claims to believe the Crucible is destroyed, yet has a Crucible docking area pre-equip with a Mental Synthetisizer, Matter Transmuter and Crucible Suppression device. Funnt how these two new possibilities that just became available 2 minutes ago have built in devices to enac them as well as a device to stop the Crucible from firing so that the Catalyst has time to sweet talk you into doing something stupid. He appeals to your pride and ego with Control (renegade) and appeals you youe desire to help others with Synthesis(paragon). No collatoral damage. Just roses and butterflies if you'd only kill yourself and cut a deal with the Devil.
Synthesis = Saren, capitulation to the Reapers ideals
Control = TIM, foolish pride
Destroy = Anderson, Self Determination
Refusal = Defeatism, the antithesis of the ME series' main theme.
Modifié par The Twilight God, 23 juillet 2012 - 04:13 .
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