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[DirtyPhoenix]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Apparently it's the fault of the Catalyst supporters that the OPs headcanon doesn't add up.

:lol:

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet you still forget that the IT has
neither been confirmed nor denied.  I'm not a huge fan of the IT but
indoctrination is a  huge theme in the ME games, novels, and comics.

Bioware has also not confirmed, or denied the Intoxication Theory :whistle:As I know alcoholism has a big presence in all the games and also other media.

:flee:

Modifié par pirate1802, 30 juillet 2012 - 03:06 .

[Blueprotoss]

Cheviot wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

The game literally spells out for us post-credits that the endings are real.

Yet the endings don't spell out anything whethet its IT or not.

"Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat." 
 
We know for a fact that the endings were not an illusion.  It is stated directly in the game.

Yet you still forget that the IT has neither been confirmed nor denied.  I'm not a huge fan of the IT but indoctrination is a  huge theme in the ME games, novels, and comics.

Doesn't affect an out-of-game message to the player.  When the text says "Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat" it is a direct message to the player. 

I see that you haven't played ME3 based on the high EMS Destory or normal Control options because Shepard "lives".

[incinerator950]

pirate1802 wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Apparently it's the fault of the Catalyst supporters that the OPs headcanon doesn't add up.

:lol:

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet you still forget that the IT has
neither been confirmed nor denied.  I'm not a huge fan of the IT but
indoctrination is a  huge theme in the ME games, novels, and comics.

Bioware has also not confirmed, or denied the Intoxication Theory :whistle:As I know alcoholism has a big presence in all the games and also other media.

:flee:

[Geneaux486]

EDIT:  Accidental double post.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 31 juillet 2012 - 03:20 .

[Geneaux486]

Blueprotoss wrote...
I see that you haven't played ME3 based on the high EMS Destory or normal Control options because Shepard "lives".

And?  The player still gets the exact same message and stargazer scene in the endings where Shepard lives. 

[Blueprotoss]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
I see that you haven't played ME3 based on the high EMS Destory or normal Control options because Shepard "lives".

And?  The player still gets the exact same message and stargazer scene in the endings where Shepard lives. 

Yet that still isn't the end of ME3 especially when it won't be over anytime soon with DLC and another hero in a new trilogy.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 juillet 2012 - 03:23 .

[Geneaux486]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet that still isn't the end of ME3 especially when it won't be over anytime soon with DLC and another hero in a new trilogy.

Irrelevant.  Mass Effect 3 concluded Shepard's story.  The endings are real, we are shown this repeatedly in the sequences that follow the activation of the Crucible.  Furthermore, Bioware has said repeatedly that they are not doing post-ending DLC.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 31 juillet 2012 - 04:20 .

[Blueprotoss]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet that still isn't the end of ME3 especially when it won't be over anytime soon with DLC and another hero in a new trilogy.

Irrelevant.  Mass Effect 3 concluded Shepard's story.  The endings are real, we are shown this repeatedly in the sequences that follow the activation of the Crucible.  Furthermore, Bioware has said repeatedly that they are not doing post-ending DLC.

Still you're assuming this in ME3 based on DLC, which there will be pre and post ending add-ons.  Bioware never mentioned that but they did mentioned that the endings aren't going to be redone like some "fans" wanted them to create new endings for the EC.  You should do the research before crying wolf and its also bad to make assumptions even when nobody talking here is currently in Bioware.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 juillet 2012 - 04:33 .

[Geneaux486]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet that still isn't the end of ME3 especially when it won't be over anytime soon with DLC and another hero in a new trilogy.

Irrelevant.  Mass Effect 3 concluded Shepard's story.  The endings are real, we are shown this repeatedly in the sequences that follow the activation of the Crucible.  Furthermore, Bioware has said repeatedly that they are not doing post-ending DLC.

Still you're assuming this in ME3 based on DLC, which there will be pre and post ending add-ons.  Bioware never mentioned that but they did mentioned that the endings aren't going to be redone like some "fans" wanted them to create new endings for the EC.  You should do the research before crying wolf and its also bad to make assumptions even when nobody talking here is currently in Bioware.

I'm assuming what based on DLC?  That the endings are real?  That was confirmed in the game itself before the EC even came out.  That Shepard's story is concluded?  Bioware has outright stated that they aren't doing post-ending DLC.  So what part of my post are you writing off as an asumption "based on DLC" exactly?  Because the points I made are  based on a combination of what's in the game itself, and what Bioware has said, and they're not assumptions.

[Blueprotoss]

Geneaux486 wrote...

I'm assuming what based on DLC?  That the endings are real?  That was confirmed in the game itself before the EC even came out.  That Shepard's story is concluded?  Bioware has outright stated that they aren't doing post-ending DLC.  So what part of my post are you writing off as an asumption "based on DLC" exactly?  Because the points I made are  based on a combination of what's in the game itself, and what Bioware has said, and they're not assumptions.

I see that you're still assuming things because Bioware hasn't confirmed or denied what the SP DLC will around just like the IT Theory.  Either way we don't know the specifics about the DLC until its released while there will be pre and post ending DLC for ME3 just like in ME2.  Bioware never mentioned that but they did mentioned that the endings aren't going to be redone like some "fans" wanted them to create new endings for the EC.  You should do the research before crying wolf and its also bad to make assumptions even when nobody talking here is currently in Bioware.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 02 août 2012 - 01:32 .

[Geneaux486]

Blueprotoss wrote...
]I see that you're still assuming things because Bioware hasn't confirmed or denied what the SP DLC will around just like the IT Theory.  Either way we don't know the specifics about the DLC until its released while there will be pre and post ending DLC for ME3 just like in ME2.  Bioware never mentioned that but they did mentioned that the endings aren't going to be redone like some "fans" wanted them to create new endings for the EC.  You should do the research before crying wolf and its also bad to make assumptions even when nobody talking here is currently in Bioware.

I'm assuming what based on DLC? That the endings are real? That was confirmed in the game itself before the EC even came out. That Shepard's story is concluded? Bioware has outright stated that they aren't doing post-ending DLC. So what part of my post are you writing off as an asumption "based on DLC" exactly? Because the points I made are based on a combination of what's in the game itself, and what Bioware has said, and they're not assumptions.

[Blueprotoss]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
]I see that you're still assuming things because Bioware hasn't confirmed or denied what the SP DLC will around just like the IT Theory.  Either way we don't know the specifics about the DLC until its released while there will be pre and post ending DLC for ME3 just like in ME2.  Bioware never mentioned that but they did mentioned that the endings aren't going to be redone like some "fans" wanted them to create new endings for the EC.  You should do the research before crying wolf and its also bad to make assumptions even when nobody talking here is currently in Bioware.

I'm assuming what based on DLC? That the endings are real? That was confirmed in the game itself before the EC even came out. That Shepard's story is concluded? Bioware has outright stated that they aren't doing post-ending DLC. So what part of my post are you writing off as an asumption "based on DLC" exactly? Because the points I made are based on a combination of what's in the game itself, and what Bioware has said, and they're not assumptions.

Haters gonna hate even when Bioware has been the Kremlin with its DLC based on how they haven't released anything until its on the verge of release with a couple teases. Ironically everyone of your posts in this topic is based on assumption especially when ME2 had pre and post ending DLC whether you played it before or after the Suicide Mission was completed.  Maybe you should look for actual evidence instead of finger pointing since you clearly don't have any answers.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 02 août 2012 - 03:00 .

[Geneaux486]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Haters gonna hate even when Bioware has been the Kremlin with its DLC based on how they haven't released anything until its on the verge of release with a couple teases. Ironically everyone of your posts in this topic is based on assumption especially when ME2 had pre and post ending DLC whether you played it before or after the Suicide Mission was completed.  Maybe you should look for actual evidence instead of finger pointing since you clearly don't have any answers.

The only assumption I'm making is that the physical world truly is as it presents itself.  You're making the exact same assumption.  Furthermore, the only finger pointing being done by me is at you, for pointing a finger at me, claiming I don't have answers that I never claimed to have in the first place.  You're making me out to be something I don't claim to be, like I'm supposed to have all the answers, based on knowlege I couldn't possibly have.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 02 août 2012 - 03:17 .

[SC_Jorgie]

To understand the endings you need to understand the origins of the Crucible, particularly it's connection to the Catalyst. Why would any species design the Crucible with its dependency on the Catalyst unless they already understood what the Catalyst was and it's role in the reaper cycle. The only species in a position to do so was the species that created it and became the first reaper (probably Harbinger). They set the plans for the Crucible in motion with sufficient knowledge of the nature of the Catalyst to be able to compel its obedience through the design of the Crucible. Whether they intended each option, they were generated by the design additions of other species, or additions of the reapers themselves is certainly a matter of debate. NLT the simplest explanation is simply that the Crucible was originally designed by the same race that created the Catalyst. ME is the culmination of a billion-year old space opera set in motion by the race that became the first reaper.

[Blueprotoss]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
Haters gonna hate even when Bioware has been the Kremlin with its DLC based on how they haven't released anything until its on the verge of release with a couple teases. Ironically everyone of your posts in this topic is based on assumption especially when ME2 had pre and post ending DLC whether you played it before or after the Suicide Mission was completed.  Maybe you should look for actual evidence instead of finger pointing since you clearly don't have any answers.

The only assumption I'm making is that the physical world truly is as it presents itself.  You're making the exact same assumption.  Furthermore, the only finger pointing being done by me is at you, for pointing a finger at me, claiming I don't have answers that I never claimed to have in the first place.  You're making me out to be something I don't claim to be, like I'm supposed to have all the answers, based on knowlege I couldn't possibly have.

Yet I'm assuming anything because I'm not speaking for Bioware and Bioware hasn't commented on anything around there SP add-ons until they decide a release date like what was previously done in ME1, ME2 and ME3.  The SP DLC in ME3 will be pre and post ending just like how it was in ME2.  Btw you should assume anything especially when you don't have any knowledge to hide behind.

[Geneaux486]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet I'm assuming anything because I'm not speaking for Bioware and Bioware hasn't commented on anything around there SP add-ons until they decide a release date like what was previously done in ME1, ME2 and ME3.  The SP DLC in ME3 will be pre and post ending just like how it was in ME2.  Btw you should assume anything especially when you don't have any knowledge to hide behind.

But you are speaking for Bioware.  You're strolling on up in here, sauntering over to the podium, and declaring "no comment" on behalf of the company in front of the rest of us.  You're treating this discussion like some kind of press conference, but I don't see any cameras around here.  I don't see what gives you the right to maintain Bioware's radio silence when, as far as I can tell, you're not affiliated with the company's PR department.

[Blueprotoss]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet I'm assuming anything because I'm not speaking for Bioware and Bioware hasn't commented on anything around there SP add-ons until they decide a release date like what was previously done in ME1, ME2 and ME3.  The SP DLC in ME3 will be pre and post ending just like how it was in ME2.  Btw you should assume anything especially when you don't have any knowledge to hide behind.

But you are speaking for Bioware.  You're strolling on up in here, sauntering over to the podium, and declaring "no comment" on behalf of the company in front of the rest of us.  You're treating this discussion like some kind of press conference, but I don't see any cameras around here.  I don't see what gives you the right to maintain Bioware's radio silence when, as far as I can tell, you're not affiliated with the company's PR department.

I'm speaking for myself and anyone that has their own IP aka Intellectual Property because they control what they copyrighted.   I'm treating this as a debate since there shouldn't be no "my way or highway" crap going on.  Bioware is far from radio silence while its their choice whether then want to speak to a small uproar of "fans" that sent them death threats and acted like children, which I'm sure you wouldn't talk to people that treated you like that.  This whole thing is has been a dead horse since ME1 was released based on what Bioware got from Baldur's Gate, KotOR, and Neverwinter.

[Geneaux486]

Blueprotoss wrote...

I'm speaking for myself and anyone that has their own IP aka Intellectual Property because they control what they copyrighted.   I'm treating this as a debate since there shouldn't be no "my way or highway" crap going on.  Bioware is far from radio silence while its their choice whether then want to speak to a small uproar of "fans" that sent them death threats and acted like children, which I'm sure you wouldn't talk to people that treated you like that.  This whole thing is has been a dead horse since ME1 was released based on what Bioware got from Baldur's Gate, KotOR, and Neverwinter.

No you're speaking for Bioware, or rather, remaining tight-lipped on the issue on Bioware's behalf, as though you have some sort of PR authority to limit what information they choose to disclose to fans.  And what if Bioware wants to talk to those villains who sent them death threats and childish actions?  What gives you the right to deny them the freedom of communication they're guaranteed as Americans?

[Applepie_Svk]

Eternal fight I see ... thanks for ressurecting my thread LoL´ed

[Brovikk Rasputin]

The Control ending cutscene says otherwise. Shepard seems to be controlling them just fine.

I'd rather believe Bioware, than some hater on a forum.

[Applepie_Svk]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The Control ending cutscene says otherwise. Shepard seems to be controlling them just fine.

I'd rather believe Bioware, than some hater on a forum.

Did you heard about how many times BioWare lied for previous 8 months ?  So you still believe them ? such a pleasure...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 05 août 2012 - 12:05 .

[saracen16]

A lot of people think that ME3 is a traditional war story where one side is eternally an enemy, and the world is black and white. People forget that none of the enemies we faced have been that black and white in morality, and neither have our Shepards for that matter. To that end, they will find any reason to bash the main plot device and the last conversation.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The Control ending cutscene says otherwise. Shepard seems to be controlling them just fine.

I'd rather believe Bioware, than some hater on a forum.

Did you heard about how many times BioWare lied for previous 8 months ?  So you still believe them ? such a pleasure...

This is stuff in the game. I don't care what any of you people say. What happens in the game is CANON. 

Modifié par Brovikk Rasputin, 05 août 2012 - 12:09 .

[saracen16]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The Control ending cutscene says otherwise. Shepard seems to be controlling them just fine.

I'd rather believe Bioware, than some hater on a forum.

Did you heard about how many times BioWare lied for previous 8 months ?  So you still believe them ? such a pleasure...

Puh-leeze. Who cares if they do? This is just politics you're playing at, finding the story to not meet your expectations and then using any excuse to justify whatever sense of "entitlement" you have to make the creators and owners of the actual universe change their game just for your sake.

[Applepie_Svk]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

This is stuff in the game. I don't care what any of you people say. What happens in the game is CANNON. 

So when BioWare put into game Bozo the Clown instead of Catalyst you will be satisfied, like always ... ?