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[Brovikk Rasputin]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

This is stuff in the game. I don't care what any of you people say. What happens in the game is CANNON. 

So when BioWare put into game Bozo the Clown instead of Catalyst you will be satisfied, like always ... ? 

Uhm, no? Why would I? Are you even trying to make sense at this point?

[Applepie_Svk]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

This is stuff in the game. I don't care what any of you people say. What happens in the game is CANNON. 

So when BioWare put into game Bozo the Clown instead of Catalyst you will be satisfied, like always ... ? 

Uhm, no? Why would I? Are you even trying to make sense at this point?

They already did it, they have changed self-aware machines with VI doing just their programing...

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

This is stuff in the game. I don't care what any of you people say. What happens in the game is CANNON. 

So when BioWare put into game Bozo the Clown instead of Catalyst you will be satisfied, like always ... ? 

Uhm, no? Why would I? Are you even trying to make sense at this point?

They already did it, they have changed self-aware machines with VI doing just their programing...

what is this I don't even

[Blueprotoss]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

I'm speaking for myself and anyone that has their own IP aka Intellectual Property because they control what they copyrighted.   I'm treating this as a debate since there shouldn't be no "my way or highway" crap going on.  Bioware is far from radio silence while its their choice whether then want to speak to a small uproar of "fans" that sent them death threats and acted like children, which I'm sure you wouldn't talk to people that treated you like that.  This whole thing is has been a dead horse since ME1 was released based on what Bioware got from Baldur's Gate, KotOR, and Neverwinter.

No you're speaking for Bioware, or rather, remaining tight-lipped on the issue on Bioware's behalf, as though you have some sort of PR authority to limit what information they choose to disclose to fans.  And what if Bioware wants to talk to those villains who sent them death threats and childish actions?  What gives you the right to deny them the freedom of communication they're guaranteed as Americans?

I doubt you know what creators go through and I also doubt that you don't know that creators have the say so whether or not you like it.  I see you missed the whole small uproar while it happens with most games like every Bioware game.  You don't have the freedom when the creator has the power while I doubt you would demand certain things to James Cameron or JRR Tolkien in their works.

saracen16 wrote...

This is just politics you're playing at, finding the story to not meet your expectations and then using any excuse to justify whatever sense of "entitlement" you have to make the creators and owners of the actual universe change their game just for your sake.

 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 05 août 2012 - 12:36 .

[Blueprotoss]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

This is stuff in the game. I don't care what any of you people say. What happens in the game is CANNON. 

So when BioWare put into game Bozo the Clown instead of Catalyst you will be satisfied, like always ... ? 

Uhm, no? Why would I? Are you even trying to make sense at this point?

They already did it, they have changed self-aware machines with VI doing just their programing...

Ironically we barely have that much information on the Reapers and an AI leader isn't anything new in sci-fi either.  Btw Bioware didn't change anything while added some dialogue to directly say that he was the Reaper leader.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 05 août 2012 - 12:44 .

[Geneaux486]

I doubt you know what creators go through and I also doubt that you don't know that creators have the say so whether or not you like it. I see you missed the whole small uproar while it happens with most games like every Bioware game. You don't have the freedom when the creator has the power while I doubt you would demand certain things to James Cameron or JRR Tolkien in their works.

And you stand before me and demand Bioware's silence so that your argument does not suffer, while pretending to be their PR agent and acting like the whole thing is on the up-and-up. Nobody has commissioned you with this mission, you're in it for yourself, and no one else, under the guise of altruism towards Bioware.

[Blueprotoss]

Geneaux486 wrote...

And you stand before me and demand Bioware's silence so that your argument does not suffer, while pretending to be their PR agent and acting like the whole thing is on the up-and-up. Nobody has commissioned you with this mission, you're in it for yourself, and no one else, under the guise of altruism towards Bioware.

I'm not pretending about anything since I'm not a PR person and its sad that you can't respect what others create whether you have some nippicks or not.  Haters gonna hate even when Bioware has created ME and its their Intellecual Property.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 05 août 2012 - 01:32 .

[Geneaux486]

Blueprotoss wrote...
I'm not pretending about anything since I'm not a PR person and its sad that you can't respect what others create whether you have some nippicks or not.  Haters gonna hate even when Bioware has created ME and its their Intellecual Property.

So now you admit that you're not a PR person?  Yet you've been passing yourself off as one this entire argument.  Do not talk to me about respect when you falsely wear the mantle of a Bioware PR agent, trying to claim a paycheck that is not due to you.

[Blueprotoss]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
I'm not pretending about anything since I'm not a PR person and its sad that you can't respect what others create whether you have some nippicks or not.  Haters gonna hate even when Bioware has created ME and its their Intellecual Property.

So now you admit that you're not a PR person?  Yet you've been passing yourself off as one this entire argument.  Do not talk to me about respect when you falsely wear the mantle of a Bioware PR agent, trying to claim a paycheck that is not due to you.

I never said I was a Bioware employee while I'm defending them just anyone else that created something and stood their ground.  You don't have any respect and its ironic on how you're talking abot respect.  Haters gonna hate.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 05 août 2012 - 02:38 .

[BerzerkGene]

You can't explain anything the Catalyst does or is without breaking the plot.
But while we're at it, explain this line: "So new life, both organic and synthetic can once again flourish." Kind of clashes with his whole point of synthetics will always kill organics doesn't it?
Secondly! "The crucible doesn't discriminate." This doesn't make any sense because he established that the crucible is just a power source, but i guess "The Catalyst doesn't discriminate." doesn't really make him seem like someone to trust.

[Geneaux486]

Blueprotoss wrote...
I never said I was a Bioware employee while I'm defending them just anyone else that created something and stood their ground.  You don't have any respect and its ironic on how you're talking abot respect.  Haters gonna hate.

I have no respect?  I'm not the one falsely implying that I work for Bioware, something you have been doing for much of this thread. 

[Blueprotoss]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
I never said I was a Bioware employee while I'm defending them just anyone else that created something and stood their ground.  You don't have any respect and its ironic on how you're talking abot respect.  Haters gonna hate.

I have no respect?  I'm not the one falsely implying that I work for Bioware, something you have been doing for much of this thread. 

Again I never said I worked for Bioware and if I did then I'm sure you wouldn't be here based on your lack of respect or level of immaturity.

[Geneaux486]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Again I never said I worked for Bioware and if I did then I'm sure you wouldn't be here based on your lack of respect or level of immaturity.

Again, at least I have respect enough to not try to pass myself off as a Bioware PR agent when clearly I am not.

[3DandBeyond]

Blueprotoss wrote...

I'm speaking for myself and anyone that has their own IP aka Intellectual Property because they control what they copyrighted.   I'm treating this as a debate since there shouldn't be no "my way or highway" crap going on.  Bioware is far from radio silence while its their choice whether then want to speak to a small uproar of "fans" that sent them death threats and acted like children, which I'm sure you wouldn't talk to people that treated you like that.  This whole thing is has been a dead horse since ME1 was released based on what Bioware got from Baldur's Gate, KotOR, and Neverwinter.

Well a bit over the top don't you think.  Unfortunately those types of threats happen to probably every business out there.  There are crazy people that do crazy things-to cast a wide net and imply that those that sent such threats are indicative of the fans with complaints about the ending is ridiculous.  First, may I direct you to the TOS Bioware has on this site and that this is the area for registered owners of the game.  They have the ultimate control here over who they talk to.  However, they chose to open up the discussion to anyone anywhere by using twitter and Facebook as the places for that discussion.  If you do that you are asking for trouble.  This is the company site-I know of no other company that has their own forum that uses twitter as Bioware has.  It's specifically why they have forums.

I can tell you as a small business person there are some really crazy people out there.  I sell products online and specifically state exactly what my products are.  Some products I sell are my intellectual property, copyrighted material.  For one product I must repeatedly state exactly what it is with text on top of the photo and red and bolded text throughout the description and title.  You have no idea how many people buy it and think it is something it isn't.  And you have no idea how many people get belligerent even when I send them an email confirming their purchase (because of all the errors in ordering I make sure they know what they are buying). 

I've been threatened, but that is not representative of all the people that I deal with, and not even of those that do complain.  When I receive a complaint, I talk to the person and sometimes even if the mistake is theirs and I will lose money on the deal, I do what I can to make things right.  Why?  Because the customer is more important than the sale.  One sale is minor compared to keeping someone as a customer or the good willl obtained even if they are not a repeat buyer-because they may tell someone else.  This is a major tenet of business and of all the management courses I have taken.

People that issue death threats are disturbed but they are not indicative nor representative of any group nor of those that were complaining and it's really poor judgement to imply they are or were.  Death threats are against the law as well.  CoD devs have received death threats as have other devs.  So do celebrities.  So does just about anyone who puts themselves out in the public eye.  It shouldn't happen, but it does.  That doesn't mean that because some crazy person threatens you you assume that anyone that has a complaint is going to do the same so you ignore them. 

And claiming that something is your intellectual property and you can't change it just doesn't fly if you want to be in business.  By saying this and by saying BW should stand by their "art", you are saying they have the extreme right to sell you whatever they want no matter what and you have no right to complain.  So what if they sell an ME4 and in it they claim you will be able to play as a reaper.  Supposedly, you will play the whole game as a parallel to the events of ME1-3 from the viewpoint of reapers and you will get to destroy the galaxy.  And the trailers show awesome fighting and reapers destroying planets, but you get the game and all you do in it is play it like some older strategy game as if you are the kid on the citadel moving game board pieces.  You were told you'd play as a reaper but you are only shuffling reapers around.  What you are saying is that's ok.  It's their game, their decision, and you have no right to complain.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 05 août 2012 - 04:49 .

[saracen16]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
Again I never said I worked for Bioware and if I did then I'm sure you wouldn't be here based on your lack of respect or level of immaturity.

Again, at least I have respect enough to not try to pass myself off as a Bioware PR agent when clearly I am not.

So, let me get this straight: whoever disagrees with you and supports BioWare's stance regarding Mass Effect 3's storyline (THEIR storyline) is suddenly a PR agent for the company? Blueprotoss is right: this is immaturity at its worst.

[Applepie_Svk]

saracen16 wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
Again I never said I worked for Bioware and if I did then I'm sure you wouldn't be here based on your lack of respect or level of immaturity.

Again, at least I have respect enough to not try to pass myself off as a Bioware PR agent when clearly I am not.

So, let me get this straight: whoever disagrees with you and supports BioWare's stance regarding Mass Effect 3's storyline (THEIR storyline) is suddenly a PR agent for the company? Blueprotoss is right: this is immaturity at its worst.

Problem is that they said it´s their art but not their story and when fans ask for an explanation than answer was to headcanon own ending - etc, it´s not they story any longer.

[Wayning_Star]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

I'm speaking for myself and anyone that has their own IP aka Intellectual Property because they control what they copyrighted.   I'm treating this as a debate since there shouldn't be no "my way or highway" crap going on.  Bioware is far from radio silence while its their choice whether then want to speak to a small uproar of "fans" that sent them death threats and acted like children, which I'm sure you wouldn't talk to people that treated you like that.  This whole thing is has been a dead horse since ME1 was released based on what Bioware got from Baldur's Gate, KotOR, and Neverwinter.

Well a bit over the top don't you think.  Unfortunately those types of threats happen to probably every business out there.  There are crazy people that do crazy things-to cast a wide net and imply that those that sent such threats are indicative of the fans with complaints about the ending is ridiculous.  First, may I direct you to the TOS Bioware has on this site and that this is the area for registered owners of the game.  They have the ultimate control here over who they talk to.  However, they chose to open up the discussion to anyone anywhere by using twitter and Facebook as the places for that discussion.  If you do that you are asking for trouble.  This is the company site-I know of no other company that has their own forum that uses twitter as Bioware has.  It's specifically why they have forums.

I can tell you as a small business person there are some really crazy people out there.  I sell products online and specifically state exactly what my products are.  Some products I sell are my intellectual property, copyrighted material.  For one product I must repeatedly state exactly what it is with text on top of the photo and red and bolded text throughout the description and title.  You have no idea how many people buy it and think it is something it isn't.  And you have no idea how many people get belligerent even when I send them an email confirming their purchase (because of all the errors in ordering I make sure they know what they are buying). 

I've been threatened, but that is not representative of all the people that I deal with, and not even of those that do complain.  When I receive a complaint, I talk to the person and sometimes even if the mistake is theirs and I will lose money on the deal, I do what I can to make things right.  Why?  Because the customer is more important than the sale.  One sale is minor compared to keeping someone as a customer or the good willl obtained even if they are not a repeat buyer-because they may tell someone else.  This is a major tenet of business and of all the management courses I have taken.

People that issue death threats are disturbed but they are not indicative nor representative of any group nor of those that were complaining and it's really poor judgement to imply they are or were.  Death threats are against the law as well.  CoD devs have received death threats as have other devs.  So do celebrities.  So does just about anyone who puts themselves out in the public eye.  It shouldn't happen, but it does.  That doesn't mean that because some crazy person threatens you you assume that anyone that has a complaint is going to do the same so you ignore them. 

And claiming that something is your intellectual property and you can't change it just doesn't fly if you want to be in business.  By saying this and by saying BW should stand by their "art", you are saying they have the extreme right to sell you whatever they want no matter what and you have no right to complain.  So what if they sell an ME4 and in it they claim you will be able to play as a reaper.  Supposedly, you will play the whole game as a parallel to the events of ME1-3 from the viewpoint of reapers and you will get to destroy the galaxy.  And the trailers show awesome fighting and reapers destroying planets, but you get the game and all you do in it is play it like some older strategy game as if you are the kid on the citadel moving game board pieces.  You were told you'd play as a reaper but you are only shuffling reapers around.  What you are saying is that's ok.  It's their game, their decision, and you have no right to complain.

it's all over analysis, the game co's can do anything they want to about the game,there are NO warrenties implied other than if the 'game' physically won't function, that is software problems. The 'idealistic' parts cannot be promised to satisfy the consumer, it's not a food stuff( of which we usually never complain if our oats are soggy,lol) All this talk about what they "owe" players is really just tripe, but is integral to the games as it's part of it. I commend any game makers who puts up an entire social site just to accomplish some form of feedback for their games in regard to the 'idealism' of satistfaction with idealism.  Entertainment is hyped, it's part of entertainment called advertisment.

But to digress, it's a given that if the 'game' doesn't compare to the hype, then the game makers need to adjust their advertising. Eventhough neigh impossible to do, what with the diversity of users, it would be like putting a painting up  for sale by putting a painting up for sale.  WYSIWYG

boythatsoundsfun..

[Wayning_Star]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
Again I never said I worked for Bioware and if I did then I'm sure you wouldn't be here based on your lack of respect or level of immaturity.

Again, at least I have respect enough to not try to pass myself off as a Bioware PR agent when clearly I am not.

So, let me get this straight: whoever disagrees with you and supports BioWare's stance regarding Mass Effect 3's storyline (THEIR storyline) is suddenly a PR agent for the company? Blueprotoss is right: this is immaturity at its worst.

Problem is that they said it´s their art but not their story and when fans ask for an explanation than answer was to headcanon own ending - etc, it´s not they story any longer.

lol, you got a point there..they DID rely on that for feedback quotas..a little tooooo much imo.

edit: another thought tho, it cannot be expected for the game makers to just 'spill the beans' with what is what with any game as far as the relationship with imagination of the game makers vs the the imagination of their users. It'd be like a book that all the text is just a copy of the cover.

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 05 août 2012 - 11:14 .

[saracen16]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
Again I never said I worked for Bioware and if I did then I'm sure you wouldn't be here based on your lack of respect or level of immaturity.

Again, at least I have respect enough to not try to pass myself off as a Bioware PR agent when clearly I am not.

So, let me get this straight: whoever disagrees with you and supports BioWare's stance regarding Mass Effect 3's storyline (THEIR storyline) is suddenly a PR agent for the company? Blueprotoss is right: this is immaturity at its worst.

Problem is that they said it´s their art but not their story and when fans ask for an explanation than answer was to headcanon own ending - etc, it´s not they story any longer.

The source material is retained by the developer. That they ask you to speculate does not give you the rights over the canon because - simply - there is no canon. They said it themselves.

[Wayning_Star]

saracen16 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
Again I never said I worked for Bioware and if I did then I'm sure you wouldn't be here based on your lack of respect or level of immaturity.

Again, at least I have respect enough to not try to pass myself off as a Bioware PR agent when clearly I am not.

So, let me get this straight: whoever disagrees with you and supports BioWare's stance regarding Mass Effect 3's storyline (THEIR storyline) is suddenly a PR agent for the company? Blueprotoss is right: this is immaturity at its worst.

Problem is that they said it´s their art but not their story and when fans ask for an explanation than answer was to headcanon own ending - etc, it´s not they story any longer.

The source material is retained by the developer. That they ask you to speculate does not give you the rights over the canon because - simply - there is no canon. They said it themselves.

they lied..lol there IS a canon..or there better be..grrrr

edit: I spent $$.$$ on a dodgam canon, I WANT my canon or I'm gonna make up my own and reverse the charges!!

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 05 août 2012 - 11:24 .

[saracen16]

Wayning_Star wrote...

they lied..lol there IS a canon..or there better be..grrrr

edit: I spent $$.$$ on a dodgam canon, I WANT my canon or I'm gonna make up my own and reverse the charges!!

Prove that there is a canon. All evidence points to the contrary.

[Wayning_Star]

saracen16 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

they lied..lol there IS a canon..or there better be..grrrr

edit: I spent $$.$$ on a dodgam canon, I WANT my canon or I'm gonna make up my own and reverse the charges!!

Prove that there is a canon. All evidence points to the contrary.

hey, I'm not gonna spoil the game for you... I could do it too..

[saracen16]

Wayning_Star wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

they lied..lol there IS a canon..or there better be..grrrr

edit: I spent $$.$$ on a dodgam canon, I WANT my canon or I'm gonna make up my own and reverse the charges!!

Prove that there is a canon. All evidence points to the contrary.

hey, I'm not gonna spoil the game for you... I could do it too..

Just because there are common threads in the storyline between playthroughs doesn't mean that the game in its entirety has a canon.

The onus is on you to prove your statement. I don't want to waste my time arguing with juveniles.

[Wayning_Star]

saracen16 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

they lied..lol there IS a canon..or there better be..grrrr

edit: I spent $$.$$ on a dodgam canon, I WANT my canon or I'm gonna make up my own and reverse the charges!!

Prove that there is a canon. All evidence points to the contrary.

hey, I'm not gonna spoil the game for you... I could do it too..

Just because there are common threads in the storyline between playthroughs doesn't mean that the game in its entirety has a canon.

The onus is on you to prove your statement. I don't want to waste my time arguing with juveniles.

My statements prove themselves, I'd not like to waste your time whilest wasting time wasting time.. I'm older than hair..lol (I invented 'juvenile')

actually,the writers have their canon, but we just have to figure it out. Proving such a thing is impossible, as the writers aren't going to 'fess up' to their canon. It's not in their best interest,as a business, or game developer. Just to 'pose the questions' via the game media. I can understand that/if you cannot handle the truth of the matter, it's, not your fault..lol

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 05 août 2012 - 12:15 .

[inversevideo]

Geneaux486 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
the Catalyst knew about the Crucible, he refused to tell Shepard who first created it, and he calledmit a power source, so its not a Weapon

It can klll the Reapers.  It absolutely is a weapon.  Furthermore, the Catalyst tells Shepard the name of the race that created it would mean nothing to him, which is true, what does it matter.  Catalyst also said the Crucible changed it, and created new possibilities, so obviously, while it may have been a power source, it was also capable of much more than that.

See, the thing is, the 'starkid' is lying to you. Bad enough that it takes the ghostly visage of the kid you could not save to Frack with your head. But the fact that it can take on that aspect means it has access to your thoughts. Reminding you that it is a Reaper bent on indoctrinating you.

Definition: Catalyst - something that causes activity between two or more forces or people without itself being affected.

The Crucible is not the Catalyst obviously. The Crucible is docked with the Citadel and this opens 'new possibilities' for starkid, implying Starkid has been changed. Ergo the Citadel is the Catalyst, as the Protheans VI stated,. The fact that the Starkid was affected, by the docking of the Crucible, with the Citadel, refutes the Starkid ascertation  that he is the Catalyst. 

Modifié par inversevideo, 05 août 2012 - 01:26 .