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[Shpoon]

Firstly, I say the following as a lover of the Multiplayer & I'm not ranting or angry. It is a genuine query. I think BioWare has done a great job with the game 

I noticed there was a forum post stating that the people who missile glitched & were reported for it have been banned. This is fair enough, BioWare has decided this is the best course of action to take for these people. If memory serves me correctly there was somewhere in the region of 1,500 bans. I imagine they had to investigate each case reported, compile the list & then process the bans. I reckon there is a good bit of work involved in this.

I don't know enough about the construction of games to say this with much conviction, but would BioWare not have been better off spending that time trying to just correct the glitch? BioWare recently launched Platinum, & from what I understand from most of the threads on here is that it is just full of missile glitchers. Seems strange releasing new content if an old known glitch is going to just prevent people from enjoying it properly?

BioWare have been putting through patches buffing & nerfing weapons, characters & enemies, however have any of the known glitches or issues been addressed? Could BioWare not put the balancing of these things aside & just concentrate on addressing the glitches?

Also, there has not been a thread to let us know if they are addressing the glitches or working on them, so that we can expect a fix in the future. Clarification would be great.

Thanks 

[8 Bears]

They said they would have more to say about it on monday, best to leave further discussion until then.

[IllusiveManJr]

tl;rd

I think that banning won't solve the problem. It's rampant on 360 right now, I don't know about PS3 and it isn't possible to replicate on PC like it is on console. Due to the fact that most players don't frequent the forums, they won't ever know that they can be banned for repeated use of this glitch.

[Sovereign24]

So there's no onus on the people who actually exploit the glitch?

Modifié par Sovereign24, 22 juillet 2012 - 12:13 .

[Sovereign24]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

tl;rd

I think that banning won't solve the problem. It's rampant on 360 right now, I don't know about PS3 and it isn't possible to replicate on PC like it is on console. Due to the fact that most players don't frequent the forums, they won't ever know that they can be banned for repeated use of this glitch.

It's bad man. I'd say that 50% of Platinum pugs that I join have a glitcher in them.

[GGW KillerTiger]

The balance team is seperate from the patches team so taking the people from balanceing wouldn't make it faster because they wouldn't know what the patchers are doing ...... So erm yea ...... Might as well leave it where it's at. I just can't wait to watch the cobra missile glitch users I report vanish.

[P51Mus7ang]

There was a post in a thread from Bio that they will make an announcement on this next week. I believe we all know when it compes to programs, theer seems to always be someone, somewhere that hack or finds a hole that they can take advantage of. From what my son tells me this type of thing going on is very common in the XBOX and PC gamming community, I do agree Bio needs to really jump on this

[HairyCallahan]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

tl;rd

I think that banning won't solve the problem. It's rampant on 360 right now, I don't know about PS3 and it isn't possible to replicate on PC like it is on console. Due to the fact that most players don't frequent the forums, they won't ever know that they can be banned for repeated use of this glitch.

Well, you are cheating, so imo no warning is needed. You must be extremely dumb if you don't understand cheating can lead to a ban.

[IndigoVitare]

Do not confuse balance changes with patches and bug fixes. The balancing is easy, patches are large downloadable and, apparently on the Xbox, expensive things (tens of thousands of dollars accoding to the Fez developers).

Not to mention all the difficulty in actually finding and fixing the things (it's far more work than you think it is).

[Shpoon]

Sovereign24 wrote...

So there's no onus on the people who actually exploit the glitch?

It's similar to someone to finding a loophole in the law to get themselves off the hook. That hole was left there in the system, it wasn't noticed & know someone has found it to their benefit. It is upto the relevant authority to then plug that hole in the system so nobody else can exploit it.

It is the same here 

[IllusiveManJr]

HairyCallahan wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

tl;rd

I think that banning won't solve the problem. It's rampant on 360 right now, I don't know about PS3 and it isn't possible to replicate on PC like it is on console. Due to the fact that most players don't frequent the forums, they won't ever know that they can be banned for repeated use of this glitch.

Well, you are cheating, so imo no warning is needed. You must be extremely dumb if you don't understand cheating can lead to a ban.

I'm just pointing out how banning is like slapping bandaids on a gaping wound in an effort to stop the bleeding. It must be...

Patched.

[Atrumitos]

^ Derp? You're not ruining the experience for whoever doesn't want it ruined. They can leave and someone else will join. It's not a pvp game.

The only reason people are getting banned is because they're making easy credits which they can then use to replace real money they'd pay for gear. Cheap gear is a nono in me3.

They should fix it and stop banning people. And I'm playing on pc btw so no, I'm not rocket bugging or w/e.

[Aarek]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

tl;rd

I think that banning won't solve the problem. It's rampant on 360 right now, I don't know about PS3 and it isn't possible to replicate on PC like it is on console. Due to the fact that most players don't frequent the forums, they won't ever know that they can be banned for repeated use of this glitch.

Don't know they can be banned?  Please, don't even use that excuse.

As someone who has worked as a gamemaster and administrator in online gaming, I can safely say that Bioware is better off banning them for it now than letting them abuse it until it is fixed.  If they're willing to exploit the missile glitch now, they're willing to exploit whatever new glitch appears that can give them the advantage again.  They are willingly exploiting a bug despite knowing that it is against the Terms of Service, and know full well that they may be banned for it.

Modifié par Aarek, 22 juillet 2012 - 12:30 .

[IllusiveManJr]

Aarek wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

tl;rd

I think that banning won't solve the problem. It's rampant on 360 right now, I don't know about PS3 and it isn't possible to replicate on PC like it is on console. Due to the fact that most players don't frequent the forums, they won't ever know that they can be banned for repeated use of this glitch.

Don't know they can be banned?  Please, don't even use that excuse.

It's not an excuse. Many people who use this glitch honestly don't think that this will get them banned. They aren't modding there Xbox or hacking the files (Whatever you would like to say.). Banning won't fix this issue. New glitchers will just take their place and it will keep on spreading.

[Sovereign24]

Shpoon wrote...

Sovereign24 wrote...

So there's no onus on the people who actually exploit the glitch?

It's similar to someone to finding a loophole in the law to get themselves off the hook. That hole was left there in the system, it wasn't noticed & know someone has found it to their benefit. It is upto the relevant authority to then plug that hole in the system so nobody else can exploit it.

It is the same here 

That's ridiculous. Exploiting glitches in games has always been considered cheating in not just ME3, but in plenty of other games as well. 

Games are always going the have glitches. It's almost impossible to make a glitch-free game. Bioware will obviously come around the fix it, but it's up to the playerbase to play the game as it was meant to be played. Have to say I'm pretty disappointed with how the PS3 community is dealing with it. 

[Achire]

Fixing the missile glitch is not the problem. The problem is getting the patch tested and certified so it can go out on the consoles. They can't just release a hotfix like you would for a proper PC game. It's going to take a while until Microsoft lets them put the patch out on the 360. Until then Bioware can either ban people who use the glitch or do nothing. I think banning people is the right way to go here.

[Sovereign24]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Aarek wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

tl;rd

I think that banning won't solve the problem. It's rampant on 360 right now, I don't know about PS3 and it isn't possible to replicate on PC like it is on console. Due to the fact that most players don't frequent the forums, they won't ever know that they can be banned for repeated use of this glitch.

Don't know they can be banned?  Please, don't even use that excuse.

It's not an excuse. Many people who use this glitch honestly don't think that this will get them banned. They aren't modding there Xbox or hacking the files (Whatever you would like to say.). Banning won't fix this issue. New glitchers will just take their place and it will keep on spreading.

So people don't think that being able to have an "I win" button on the hardest difficulty in the game is cheating? Seems like common sense tbh.

[HLake]

Achire wrote...

Fixing the missile glitch is not the problem. The problem is getting the patch tested and certified so it can go out on the consoles. They can't just release a hotfix like you would for a proper PC game. It's going to take a while until Microsoft lets them put the patch out on the 360. Until then Bioware can either ban people who use the glitch or do nothing. I think banning people is the right way to go here.

^This

[Aarek]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Aarek wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

tl;rd

I think that banning won't solve the problem. It's rampant on 360 right now, I don't know about PS3 and it isn't possible to replicate on PC like it is on console. Due to the fact that most players don't frequent the forums, they won't ever know that they can be banned for repeated use of this glitch.

Don't know they can be banned?  Please, don't even use that excuse.

It's not an excuse. Many people who use this glitch honestly don't think that this will get them banned. They aren't modding there Xbox or hacking the files (Whatever you would like to say.). Banning won't fix this issue. New glitchers will just take their place and it will keep on spreading.

Of the few that I have encountered, they all knew full well that they have a high chance of being banned for exploiting it.  It was the same with the credit glitch from a while back, and it's the same now.

You're right that there will always be people who will exploit bugs to cheat, but that's still an excuse to try and justify not banning them.  If they don't get banned for exploiting this bug, they'll continue to exploit any bugs that appear and we'll just continue to have constant reports about it and topics on here of people complaining.

You also need to consider the public image for the game when it comes to cheats and exploits.  Do you think the average person would want to play a game known for being overrun with exploiters and cheaters, or would they rather play a game that enforces the rules we agreed to and does their best to keep it fair for everyone?  My experience says they tend to prefer the second choice.

[IllusiveManJr]

Sovereign24 wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Aarek wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

tl;rd

I think that banning won't solve the problem. It's rampant on 360 right now, I don't know about PS3 and it isn't possible to replicate on PC like it is on console. Due to the fact that most players don't frequent the forums, they won't ever know that they can be banned for repeated use of this glitch.

Don't know they can be banned?  Please, don't even use that excuse.

It's not an excuse. Many people who use this glitch honestly don't think that this will get them banned. They aren't modding there Xbox or hacking the files (Whatever you would like to say.). Banning won't fix this issue. New glitchers will just take their place and it will keep on spreading.

So people don't think that being able to have an "I win" button on the hardest difficulty in the game is cheating? Seems like common sense tbh.

I never said they weren't cheating. Read carefully next time. I said they didn't think this is a bannable offense. They aren't modding or hacking the game. They're just pressing or holding a button. (I don't know how they do it) This is the state of mind most glitchers will be in.
I never said that they didn't think they were cheating. Just that they probably don't know how serious the offense they are committing is. 

[Shpoon]

Sovereign24 wrote...

Shpoon wrote...

Sovereign24 wrote...

So there's no onus on the people who actually exploit the glitch?

It's similar to someone to finding a loophole in the law to get themselves off the hook. That hole was left there in the system, it wasn't noticed & know someone has found it to their benefit. It is upto the relevant authority to then plug that hole in the system so nobody else can exploit it.

It is the same here 

That's ridiculous. Exploiting glitches in games has always been considered cheating in not just ME3, but in plenty of other games as well. 

Games are always going the have glitches. It's almost impossible to make a glitch-free game. Bioware will obviously come around the fix it, but it's up to the playerbase to play the game as it was meant to be played. Have to say I'm pretty disappointed with how the PS3 community is dealing with it. 

I think morally it is wrong to exploit a glitch & keep doing so, but that is human nature. Some people will take shortcuts should they present themselves.

Personally, I still think the responsibility in this case is it BioWare to fix the glitch. I understand there will be some rough edges after releasing a game, I agree with you there. I think the reaction to fixing any issues is something that could be brought into question. As I said in my original post though I'm not techy enough, nor that computer savvy, so I can't comment on the ins & outs or work involved to correct these glitches 

[IllusiveManJr]

Also, please don't send me angry messages. I've had enough of those That's why I've blocked some of you in here. I have enough drama admining a 3,000+ member Facebook group. Don't be offended.

I'm not saying the missile glitch is okay, I dislike the people who come into my lobby and do it making me feel like I've wasted consumables. I think that people should be punished for it and some should even be banned. But banning glitchers won't fix the problem.

Edit: Fixed spelling.

Modifié par theillusiveman11, 22 juillet 2012 - 12:43 .

[Lunaticsmith]

It is not that simple. Its not fix or ban, they are doing both. Sometimes glitches are extremely hard to fix. You can be sure they are taking it very serious and posting these threads don't really serve any real purpose.

[Sovereign24]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Sovereign24 wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Aarek wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

tl;rd

I think that banning won't solve the problem. It's rampant on 360 right now, I don't know about PS3 and it isn't possible to replicate on PC like it is on console. Due to the fact that most players don't frequent the forums, they won't ever know that they can be banned for repeated use of this glitch.

Don't know they can be banned?  Please, don't even use that excuse.

It's not an excuse. Many people who use this glitch honestly don't think that this will get them banned. They aren't modding there Xbox or hacking the files (Whatever you would like to say.). Banning won't fix this issue. New glitchers will just take their place and it will keep on spreading.

So people don't think that being able to have an "I win" button on the hardest difficulty in the game is cheating? Seems like common sense tbh.

I never said they weren't cheating. Read carefully next time. I said they didn't think this is a bannable offense. They aren't modding or hacking the game. They're just pressing or holding a button. (I don't know how they do it) This is the state of mind most glitchers will be in.
I never said that they didn't think they were cheating. Just that they probably don't know how serious the offense they are committing is. 

How could they not see constant exploting of a glitch as a bannable offense. I'm honestly not having a go at you as I understand what you're saying, I just don't understand how missile glitchers don't see what they're doing as bannable. They're making the hardest difficulty in the game a farce.

[The Elite Elite]

Aarek wrote...
You also need to consider the public image for the game when it comes to cheats and exploits.  Do you think the average person would want to play a game known for being overrun with exploiters and cheaters, or would they rather play a game that enforces the rules we agreed to and does their best to keep it fair for everyone?  My experience says they tend to prefer the second choice.

Depends on the game. If we're talking about a game that has PvP multiplayer, like Call of Duty, Halo, Battlefield, or Medal of Honor, then I could see the problem. No one wants to play a game that has people using glitches to, say, get outside the map where they can snipe and kill you, but not be shot at themselves. That's a problem. Here, ME3's multiplayer is entirely co-op, so it's not as big a deal. I know I don't care all that much if some people want to use some glitch to completely dominate the AI. If I want to play a serious match I can just leave and find another lobby. But that could just be me, I admit. I guess some people can take co-op play just as seriously as some take PvP play.