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[Shpoon]

Achire wrote...

Fixing the missile glitch is not the problem. The problem is getting the patch tested and certified so it can go out on the consoles. They can't just release a hotfix like you would for a proper PC game. It's going to take a while until Microsoft lets them put the patch out on the 360. Until then Bioware can either ban people who use the glitch or do nothing. I think banning people is the right way to go here.

I did say banning is fair enough, however I feel that overall & in the long term the glitch needs to be fixed. In the thread where BioWare confirmed the bans there was no line that said, "Separately, we are working on fixing the glitch & hope to have it resolved soon." I'm sure they are working on it anyway, but a quick thread saying they are would tone down the number of people complaining about it & reassure people it is on their agenda.

[IllusiveManJr]

Shpoon wrote...

In the thread where BioWare confirmed the bans there was no line that said, "Separately, we are working on fixing the glitch & hope to have it resolved soon." I'm sure they are working on it anyway, but a quick thread saying they are would tone down the number of people complaining about it & reassure people it is on their agenda.

I heard there was a tweet from someone at Bioware saying they were working on it, but until I get a thread or Biostatement saying it's being worked on, I'm going to keep yammering on about how banning isn't going to solve this issue. The moment I see that though, I'll shut up and be glad it's being fixed.

[GallowsPoleSpouse]

Atrumitos wrote...

^ Derp? You're not ruining the experience for whoever doesn't want it ruined. They can leave and someone else will join. It's not a pvp game.

The only reason people are getting banned is because they're making easy credits which they can then use to replace real money they'd pay for gear. Cheap gear is a nono in me3.

They should fix it and stop banning people. And I'm playing on pc btw so no, I'm not rocket bugging or w/e.

I could care less about the credits personally. I paid to play a game and not ave some turd ruin it by blowing everything up.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

i'm starting to think the tradeoff of quality gaming is the free DLC... honestly I would pay for DLC if the game wasn't full of half the bugs it has. Sadly though there has already been an atempt at a patch, and from what I can recon, it fixed...nothing? The only things that I can say that are being fixed are things that make it "easier" to obtain credits.

I told my online buddies last night that I'd rather them fix the ULM-Vangaurd glitch- Rio unplayableness- before they "patch" the missle glitch. The glitch although around since the demo (seen it done before) is one of those "easier credit" fixes, while still an exploit. Patching this exploit before fixing something that enables people to actually enjoy the ENTIRE multiplayer and actually play on 1/6 of the classes, will just confirm my suspicions that the company is just pocket protecting instead of actually taking care of the public. I already had the idea when the "missing items" glitch happend and there was nothing said or done to prevent it from happening until 2 months later.

[Shpoon]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Shpoon wrote...

In the thread where BioWare confirmed the bans there was no line that said, "Separately, we are working on fixing the glitch & hope to have it resolved soon." I'm sure they are working on it anyway, but a quick thread saying they are would tone down the number of people complaining about it & reassure people it is on their agenda.

I heard there was a tweet from someone at Bioware saying they were working on it, but until I get a thread or Biostatement saying it's being worked on, I'm going to keep yammering on about how banning isn't going to solve this issue. The moment I see that though, I'll shut up and be glad it's being fixed.

Not everyone on the Forums would be following all the developers on Twitter so chances are this tweet wouldn't get enough attention  A simple thread would suffice. For now 

[Dendio1]

Remove the guns that cause the glitch until a fix is ready

[Aarek]

Dendio1 wrote...

Remove the guns that cause the glitch until a fix is ready

Or remove the glitchers and not have to worry?

What happens if the patch for the fix ends up not working, but causes more bugs to show up that involve any normal weapon?  Are we going to just remove all guns and use melee and powers only?  What happens if bugs show up for those as well?

Removing one part of the glitch as a temporary solution does nothing to solve it, and would only cause more issues than it would resolve.

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Aarek wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

tl;rd

I think that banning won't solve the problem. It's rampant on 360 right now, I don't know about PS3 and it isn't possible to replicate on PC like it is on console. Due to the fact that most players don't frequent the forums, they won't ever know that they can be banned for repeated use of this glitch.

Don't know they can be banned?  Please, don't even use that excuse.

It's not an excuse. Many people who use this glitch honestly don't think that this will get them banned. They aren't modding there Xbox or hacking the files (Whatever you would like to say.). Banning won't fix this issue. New glitchers will just take their place and it will keep on spreading.

 It can be fair to assume they don't know they can be banned, but they have to realize that it's not intended (this should be clear by having to do something very specific to achieve the effect to begin with) , but they use it anyway. In my opinion that still makes one guilty.

[Atrumitos]

Leave the game then. Why should they get banned over it? Find a game without glitchers or set one up yourself. They should get all the credits they earned through glitches removed and that's the end of it (along with all their purchases obviously).

[IllusiveManJr]

ThelLastTruePatriot wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Aarek wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

tl;rd

I think that banning won't solve the problem. It's rampant on 360 right now, I don't know about PS3 and it isn't possible to replicate on PC like it is on console. Due to the fact that most players don't frequent the forums, they won't ever know that they can be banned for repeated use of this glitch.

Don't know they can be banned?  Please, don't even use that excuse.

It's not an excuse. Many people who use this glitch honestly don't think that this will get them banned. They aren't modding there Xbox or hacking the files (Whatever you would like to say.). Banning won't fix this issue. New glitchers will just take their place and it will keep on spreading.

 It can be fair to assume they don't know they can be banned, but they have to realize that it's not intended (this should be clear by having to do something very specific to achieve the effect to begin with) , but they use it anyway. In my opinion that still makes one guilty.

Again, I've never ever stated they aren't guilty of cheating or shouldn't be punished. I don't know what else I can say to get my point across. My English is already limited and I'm all out of ways to say it.

[GGW KillerTiger]

Sovereign24 wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Aarek wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

tl;rd

I think that banning won't solve the problem. It's rampant on 360 right now, I don't know about PS3 and it isn't possible to replicate on PC like it is on console. Due to the fact that most players don't frequent the forums, they won't ever know that they can be banned for repeated use of this glitch.

Don't know they can be banned?  Please, don't even use that excuse.

It's not an excuse. Many people who use this glitch honestly don't think that this will get them banned. They aren't modding there Xbox or hacking the files (Whatever you would like to say.). Banning won't fix this issue. New glitchers will just take their place and it will keep on spreading.

So people don't think that being able to have an "I win" button on the hardest difficulty in the game is cheating? Seems like common sense tbh.

Remember most of them are under aged spoiled brats that shouldn't even be playing the game or immature adults that still think they're 5

For all those idiots know it's just a cheat code. If you don't understand people can seriously be that dumb then I am sorry for you ....

Modifié par GGW KillerTiger, 22 juillet 2012 - 01:25 .

[kmmd60]

Glitch exploit can be done but it doesn't mean you can do it. No one appreciate glitcher who appeared and ruin others' gaming experience. Co-op doesn't mean every players don't care what glitcher do. A good example would be you saw a house full of cash and the door was left opened, do you have the right to simply walk in and take the money?

I think that BW should put a notice about missile glitching as a bannable assault when player enter multiplayer like the operation announcement since I doubt that many players never visit the forum and simply remain ignorant about the situation.

[Atrumitos]

I would. If it was full of cash and the door was open, they obviously mean they don't care. Sure as hell I'd help myself.

A better example would be you pay 50 to enter a buffet restaurant. You see clams on a table and eat them. Then they don't ever allow you to pay 50 again to get inside because those were their holy clams or something.

[Rick__D]

kmmd60 wrote...

Glitch exploit can be done but it doesn't mean you can do it. No one appreciate glitcher who appeared and ruin others' gaming experience. Co-op doesn't mean every players don't care what glitcher do. A good example would be you saw a house full of cash and the door was left opened, do you have the right to simply walk in and take the money?

I think that BW should put a notice about missile glitching as a bannable assault when player enter multiplayer like the operation announcement since I doubt that many players never visit the forum and simply remain ignorant about the situation.

There is that. If you do not read these forums there is very little information dissiminated to the community. That splash screen for weekend events could be used for a lot more.

[RottenBerries]

I want to weigh in on this issue as well. I find it outrageous Bioware would ban someone for something that could more easily just be fixed. It's pure laziness on their part, it's punishing consumers who consumed a bugged game. If they don't clean up their act regarding these issue, there will likely be corresponding consequences, which they will eventually seen in their revenue (or lack of it) stream.

If you don't use the forums here, there's no way to even know what's going on with the game, they need to communicate with their players better, and instead of cranking out extended cut DLCs that are 1.5GB bigger than necessary, as well as developing new DLC with brand new bugs, they need to go back and fix what's already there.

Modifié par RottenBerries, 22 juillet 2012 - 03:01 .

[MybadhomieLoL]

up up down down left right left right B A select start.

That is what some people think of the missile glitch. They don't see it as a glitch. They think it is just like a cheat code that developers have been putting in all along since gaming began.

Whatever poster above said a splash screen would be great made a great point. Splash them all so they see.

After that if they do it, wipe their credits and give them a ban.

I am all for banning but honestly this thing is out of control. I think a lot of non offenders are at risk of getting banned and that is just not good. Also with as rampant as this is, we could destroy our community and ability to even have weekend events with the number of peole who could be banned at this point.

I say get this thing under control first and then issue bans. Also, BW needs to make sure that the people banned are actual offenders. They need to have hard proof that the people banned actually loaded and exploited the glitch and were the ones with the outrageous scores etc. If they have that proof then ban them right now with no wait. Give them a week or two off and wipe their manifest.

[LGear]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

i'm starting to think the tradeoff of quality gaming is the free DLC... honestly I would pay for DLC if the game wasn't full of half the bugs it has. 

It's not like a glitch is a problem that can be solved by throwing more money at it. Even if they had the money, if they can't pinpoint the problem and code the solution in, it'd be worthless anyhow. We know they're aware of the glitch, and are likely working on it. 

RottenBerries wrote...

I want to weigh in on this issue as well. I find it outrageous Bioware would ban someone for something that could more easily just be fixed. It's pure laziness on their part, it's punishing consumers who consumed a bugged game. If they don't clean up their act regarding these issue, there will likely be corresponding consequences, which they will eventually seen in their revenue (or lack of it) stream.

If you don't use the forums here, there's no way to even know what's going on with the game, they need to communicate with their players better, and instead of cranking out extended cut DLCs that are 1.5GB bigger than necessary, as well as developing new DLC with brand new bugs, they need to go back and fix what's already there.

 

You know, I may not be a full-time programmer myself, but I do have some experience with some extremely basic scripting and such. And I'll tell you that "simple" bugs are never so simple. Sometimes, a simple fix may involve altering a related program that could cascade like a domino into a whole slew of interlinking errors lest they take great care, which could take a while to perform. It's more likely that the glitch isn't quite as simple as one would imagine. 

Also, what's wrong with banning people who deserve it? If they stumbled across the glitch once out of curiosity and got banned then maybe that's when I can argue it's wrong. But if they got banned for using the glitch throughout a hundred matches then I say good riddance. They knew better than to exploit a glitch that could affect the quality of gameplay for players who want a fair gaming experience just because they want some quick creds. The devs don't need to communicate with the forums to tell people that using a glitch that can let you launch hundreds of missiles in a few seconds is a bannable offense. It's plain common sense. 

Modifié par LGear, 22 juillet 2012 - 03:39 .

[Sundance31us]

8 Bears wrote...

They said they would have more to say about it on monday, best to leave further discussion until then.

Gamble posted yesterday:

http://social.biowar...ndex/13262369/1

[Aarek]

RottenBerries wrote...

I want to weigh in on this issue as well. I find it outrageous Bioware would ban someone for something that could more easily just be fixed. It's pure laziness on their part, it's punishing consumers who consumed a bugged game. If they don't clean up their act regarding these issue, there will likely be corresponding consequences, which they will eventually seen in their revenue (or lack of it) stream.

If you don't use the forums here, there's no way to even know what's going on with the game, they need to communicate with their players better, and instead of cranking out extended cut DLCs that are 1.5GB bigger than necessary, as well as developing new DLC with brand new bugs, they need to go back and fix what's already there.

I find it outrageous that you think Bioware should simply ignore it
while they try to develop a fix for it.  It's pure laziness to expect
them to just let exploiters go unpunished for violating the ToS and
interfering with the gameplay for others.

When they come up with a fix for it, they need to put it through extensive internal testing to make sure it doesn't interfere with anything else.  It is also a fix that would likely require a patch to be applied to the game, and that is not something they can just do whenever they want due to the restrictions on how console titles receive their updates.

People need to understand that there isn't a magic button that can just create a patch to solve all our problems, it takes time to develop the updates and get them done right.  I would rather they continue banning people for breaking the rules, and take their time on the update to make sure it doesn't break something else in the process.

[ChemicalGenocide]

A lot of players do not check the forums and are subject to what could be construed as "hear say" from other players, Bioware should at least announce in a bulletin that these transgressions (missile glitching) is a banning offense, takes care of the warning and it provides clarity to what is not allowed. And yes I know some players will ignore it but at least they were warned before they are banned.

[Bolo Xia]

cheating is cheating.

it is just like back when we were in school, get caught cheating and the teacher would come over and tear your test paper up and you got a Zero test score.

most of the ME3 community i imagine are in the adult category, so i find it amazing that there is so many people that didnt even learn cheating is bad.

another example:
of course we can speed when we get in a car, eventually we get caught and we know its wrong in the 1st place. there are also people that speed and figure "well if i get caught i can afford it". so i dont see why some people are acting like victims when they knowingly cheat.

it is simple really; if you cannot accept the consequences then do not do the deed.

i also think it is funny that some of you are referring to the glitch as the evil one here, it really is no different than having a gun and having the self control to not murder everyone in the room.

one of you silly victims logic "omg did you see that!? the gun in my hand made me murder everyone! it wasnt my fault it was the guns fault for being in my hand!!"

[ntrisley]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Aarek wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

tl;rd

I think that banning won't solve the problem. It's rampant on 360 right now, I don't know about PS3 and it isn't possible to replicate on PC like it is on console. Due to the fact that most players don't frequent the forums, they won't ever know that they can be banned for repeated use of this glitch.

Don't know they can be banned?  Please, don't even use that excuse.

It's not an excuse. Many people who use this glitch honestly don't think that this will get them banned. They aren't modding there Xbox or hacking the files (Whatever you would like to say.). Banning won't fix this issue. New glitchers will just take their place and it will keep on spreading.

It is an excuse.

Anyone who has played on the Xbox knows that "modding their Xbox" or "hacking their files" is not the primary ban reason for games like COD or BF3 where glitching/hacks were rampant.

It was using exploits in the existing game to gain an upper hand over others. Things like the COD Martyrdom Javelin shenanigans or the glitch spots where you cannot be shot at, etc.

That's no different than this.

[Aarek]

Bolo Xia wrote...

i also think it is funny that some of you are referring to the glitch as the evil one here, it really is no different than having a gun and having the self control to not murder everyone in the room.

one of you silly victims logic "omg did you see that!? the gun in my hand made me murder everyone! it wasnt my fault it was the guns fault for being in my hand!!"

Don't even get me started on the stupidity of most anti-gun people.  Trying to ban guns "because they kill people" is like trying to ban pencils because they mispell words, or banning spoons because they make people fat.  It's nonsense.  But that's a discussion for another place, so I'm not going to rant about it here.

People need to realize that those who are abusing the missile glitch are doing it knowing that it is not a legitimate game mechanic, and they know that abusing bugs like that is something that is not allowed in online gaming.

[Bolo Xia]

Aarek wrote...

Bolo Xia wrote...

i also think it is funny that some of you are referring to the glitch as the evil one here, it really is no different than having a gun and having the self control to not murder everyone in the room.

one of you silly victims logic "omg did you see that!? the gun in my hand made me murder everyone! it wasnt my fault it was the guns fault for being in my hand!!"

Don't even get me started on the stupidity of most anti-gun people.  Trying to ban guns "because they kill people" is like trying to ban pencils because they mispell words, or banning spoons because they make people fat.  It's nonsense.  But that's a discussion for another place, so I'm not going to rant about it here.

People need to realize that those who are abusing the missile glitch are doing it knowing that it is not a legitimate game mechanic, and they know that abusing bugs like that is something that is not allowed in online gaming.

i was only using it an as example to make it simple for those trying to play the "i was an innocent victim card" while they are repeating the glitch every match.

yeah, i agree with your whole post and im glad that you are not one of those "poor helpless vitctims" either 

[dr octagon 3000]

At least the glitchers are infecting Platinum farming credits and staying out of gold. Heh..

I think the splash screen idea is a good one. I know there's people out glitching who don't realize they can get banned...certainly not the forever ban...of doom.

Modifié par dr octagon 3000, 22 juillet 2012 - 06:16 .