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Shpoon wrote...


I think morally it is wrong to exploit a glitch & keep doing so,


I don't. I mean, it's just a game, and we're acting like this is some sort of crime against god and man. Not you specifically; I mean overall on the boards.

There are enough bullsh*t glitches in this game that work against you that I can't muster up much concern about a beneficial glitch. In one Gold match last night one of the guys had a Vanguard glitch half a minute into the first wave. So, for the entire rest of the match, we were a three man team on Gold. Our strategy was all but crippled, but we soldiered through it.

Until wave 10 when we got the escort mission. The drone falls through the goddamn map and there's nothing we can do to complete the mission. So all that effort we put in, working with only three guys, was a waste of my f*ckin' time.

I understand that glitches and bugs can be hard to track down. That understanding doesn't in any way ease the frustration felt when the game f*cks you over through events that are beyond your ability to control. I felt the same way about Skyrim's numerous glitches vs. the beneficial Oghma Infinium glitch.

However, I do look on people using the glitch as if they're kinda b*tch-assed. I don't cotton much to elitism in any game, but I can't help but feel that if you use the glitch to win a match, even Gold or whatever, then you're kind of a p*ssy. Like, you can't do what many of us have struggled hard to learn to be able to do.

I saw (and reported) some guy using the glitch on Silver. It's Silver, bro. We can win this without using any missiles whatsoever. Come on, son. At the time, it pissed me off that he was using the glitch. But in retrospect, I don't know why I was so pissed. Nothing he did helped or hindered me. Hell, the only reason I left the lobby after the match was because BW employs fallacious logic to assign guilt by association.

Most people here don't seem to realize this is flawed reasoning (it's an actual logical fallacy that anyone can look up and confirm), worst of all, BW themselves.

I think both the exploiters and BW share the blame for this problem. But it's hardly a moral issue. I mean, it ain't like it makes baby Jesus cry. And if we're being honest, Jesus used the ultimate cheat codes to turn water into wine. How's that fair? I gotta BUY wine. Sh*t, I gotta buy water, for that matter.

But as you said earlier, no matter how difficult it might be to fix the glitch, I think that should take priority over banning. A lot of people assume that it's simple common sense to know that use of this exploit is a bannable offense. Those people are probably making the assumption that common sense is actually common. Anyone who's ever driven in rush hour traffic should know better than that. Every day of my life I see people do stupid sh*t they shouldn't on a regular goddamn basis.

Should be common sense that driving the speed limit is safer for everyone on the road. People still do it. I bet some of the people in this thread talking about common sense do it.

No matter how many people get banned, this problem continues to proliferate. I'm hearing about encounters with missile glitcher more and more from my friends. Even as recently as two weeks ago, none of them even knew what it was, because they don't frequent the boards.

I would imagine that the majority of people using the glitch also do not frequent the message boards. I shouldn't think it would be too difficult for BW to post a weekly reminder to at least explain to people the consequences of using the glitch. Just like they do with weekend objectives or DLC announcements. You log onto the EA servers to play, and a screen pops up once a week, or once every two week (whatever) telling you you're a d*ck if you use the glitch, and BW could cut you off. Or something to that effect.

If people continue to use it after that, f*ck 'em. They had a reasonable and easily accessible warning. That's also probably easier than fixing the glitch...

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Bioware could send glitchers a warning by resetting their manifests back to zero. This would give them
reason to play by the rules before getting completely banned. The least it can do is possibly entertain the forums like when Bungie reset peoples creds and armor for glitching their system in Reach.

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COMPLETE UTTER ****.

my 2 cents, à là français.

Not only I don't know why I've been banned, I keep getting the same copy-pasted answer from Bioware (you're banned because ... you're banned, period). Talked to 4-5 advisors from Ea that "have their game experts on it" (!!!!) and some other cràp.

Way to lose a customer. I'll probably buy another ME3 online code from amazon or something because I love the franchise and want to (fully) play the game I've bought but I'm DONE with Eaware forever.

Modifié par Silasqtx, 22 juillet 2012 - 09:42 .


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Strict31 wrote...

I don't. I mean, it's just a game, and we're acting like this is some sort of crime against god and man.

Not a crime against G-d and man...just theft of services*. :bandit:

* Yes, I did consult a lawyer before posting.

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theillusiveman11 wrote...

tl;rd

 


Too long; Ridn't dead?
Too long; Read didn't?

WHAT DOES IT MEAN:crying:

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Sundance31us wrote...

Strict31 wrote...

I don't. I mean, it's just a game, and we're acting like this is some sort of crime against god and man.

Not a crime against G-d and man...just theft of services*. :bandit:

* Yes, I did consult a lawyer before posting.


Technically, it isn't.

Packs can be bought by spending points or credits. Points are not money, they are given paying money, but they're not money.

Credits are awarded during games.

So basically points or credits are the same thing, currency that isn't real money. So there can't be a theft of services if there's no money implied in the theft.

If packs were obtainable ONLY with Points then yes, this would've been a theft of services.

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I don't know how to glitch so why should you feckers get away with it. Ban you all PERMANENTLY.

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And you people insist they should get banned, aka not be able to use a product they paid for, because they use a glitch that doesn't do anything to you. Play with friends. If you have no friends, make a lobby and kick all the glitchers before starting a game. Easy as that.

A fitting punishment is to reset them, or take away everything they earned through the glitch.

You don't cut a kids hands off because he drew on the wall, or because he stole candy. You spank him and talk to him.

Modifié par Atrumitos, 22 juillet 2012 - 09:50 .


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Sundance31us wrote...

Strict31 wrote...

I don't. I mean, it's just a game, and we're acting like this is some sort of crime against god and man.

Not a crime against G-d and man...just theft of services*. :bandit:

* Yes, I did consult a lawyer before posting.


I wondered what the legal precedent for missile use was. Thanks!

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Leisure Muffin wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...
tl;rd
 

Too long; Ridn't dead?
Too long; Read didn't?
WHAT DOES IT MEAN:crying:

Too long; Reaper Destroyer.

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Atrumitos wrote...

And you people insist they should get banned, aka not be able to use a product they paid for, because they use a glitch that doesn't do anything to you.

A fitting punishment is to reset them, or take away everything they earned through the glitch.

You don't cut a kids hands off because he drew on the wall, or because he stole candy. You spank him and talk to him.


I would be cool with a manifest reset.

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Atrumitos wrote...

And you people insist they should get banned, aka not be able to use a product they paid for, because they use a glitch that doesn't do anything to you. Play with friends. If you have no friends, make a lobby and kick all the glitchers before starting a game. Easy as that.

A fitting punishment is to reset them, or take away everything they earned through the glitch.

You don't cut a kids hands off because he drew on the wall, or because he stole candy. You spank him and talk to him.


Ban Them - Its a violation

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Atrumitos wrote...


You don't cut a kids hands off because he drew on the wall, or because he stole candy. You spank him and talk to him.


Yeah, but what if that kid's hand was possessed by a demon, though?

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Sovereign24 wrote...

I would be cool with a manifest reset.


I think everyone would be cool with a manifest reset instead of a permanent ban.

But guess what, they have to take our money one way or another, so it's better to permaban and hope they'll buy more and more and more and more.

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Until BioWare fixes the glitch (lord knows how long that will take) the glitchers should keep to private matches. If they glitch in public matches then yes punishment of some form should be administered though it shouldn't necessarily be a permanent ban.  A short suspension (two weeks?) would get the point across fairly well.

Modifié par JustinSaneV2, 22 juillet 2012 - 09:56 .


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Leisure Muffin wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

tl;rd

 


Too long; Ridn't dead?
Too long; Read didn't?

WHAT DOES IT MEAN:crying:


Yoda voice :lol:.  Too long it is, read it I didn't, mrhh

Seriously though, classic false dilemma.  One does not preclude the other.  BioWare makes it pretty clear that their various teams' efforts are pretty independent, and that one team's efforts don't detract from another's.

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At the end of the day its not up for debate, so its a ban. Buy a new online pass & your good to go.

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Deucetipher wrote...

Leisure Muffin wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

tl;rd

 


Too long; Ridn't dead?
Too long; Read didn't?

WHAT DOES IT MEAN:crying:


Yoda voice :lol:.  Too long it is, read it I did not, mrhh

FFY.  Contractions and Yoda talk do not mix well ^_^

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WilliamYZFR1 wrote...

At the end of the day its not up for debate, so its a ban. Buy a new online pass & your good to go.


Hell no. I'm not spending another 50$ for a game I've already bought (for full, both SP and MP, ndr).

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Strict31 wrote...

Shpoon wrote...


I think morally it is wrong to exploit a glitch & keep doing so,


I don't. I mean, it's just a game, and we're acting like this is some sort of crime against god and man. Not you specifically; I mean overall on the boards.

There are enough bullsh*t glitches in this game that work against you that I can't muster up much concern about a beneficial glitch. In one Gold match last night one of the guys had a Vanguard glitch half a minute into the first wave. So, for the entire rest of the match, we were a three man team on Gold. Our strategy was all but crippled, but we soldiered through it.

Until wave 10 when we got the escort mission. The drone falls through the goddamn map and there's nothing we can do to complete the mission. So all that effort we put in, working with only three guys, was a waste of my f*ckin' time.

I understand that glitches and bugs can be hard to track down. That understanding doesn't in any way ease the frustration felt when the game f*cks you over through events that are beyond your ability to control. I felt the same way about Skyrim's numerous glitches vs. the beneficial Oghma Infinium glitch.

However, I do look on people using the glitch as if they're kinda b*tch-assed. I don't cotton much to elitism in any game, but I can't help but feel that if you use the glitch to win a match, even Gold or whatever, then you're kind of a p*ssy. Like, you can't do what many of us have struggled hard to learn to be able to do.

I saw (and reported) some guy using the glitch on Silver. It's Silver, bro. We can win this without using any missiles whatsoever. Come on, son. At the time, it pissed me off that he was using the glitch. But in retrospect, I don't know why I was so pissed. Nothing he did helped or hindered me. Hell, the only reason I left the lobby after the match was because BW employs fallacious logic to assign guilt by association.

Most people here don't seem to realize this is flawed reasoning (it's an actual logical fallacy that anyone can look up and confirm), worst of all, BW themselves.

I think both the exploiters and BW share the blame for this problem. But it's hardly a moral issue. I mean, it ain't like it makes baby Jesus cry. And if we're being honest, Jesus used the ultimate cheat codes to turn water into wine. How's that fair? I gotta BUY wine. Sh*t, I gotta buy water, for that matter.

But as you said earlier, no matter how difficult it might be to fix the glitch, I think that should take priority over banning. A lot of people assume that it's simple common sense to know that use of this exploit is a bannable offense. Those people are probably making the assumption that common sense is actually common. Anyone who's ever driven in rush hour traffic should know better than that. Every day of my life I see people do stupid sh*t they shouldn't on a regular goddamn basis.

Should be common sense that driving the speed limit is safer for everyone on the road. People still do it. I bet some of the people in this thread talking about common sense do it.

No matter how many people get banned, this problem continues to proliferate. I'm hearing about encounters with missile glitcher more and more from my friends. Even as recently as two weeks ago, none of them even knew what it was, because they don't frequent the boards.

I would imagine that the majority of people using the glitch also do not frequent the message boards. I shouldn't think it would be too difficult for BW to post a weekly reminder to at least explain to people the consequences of using the glitch. Just like they do with weekend objectives or DLC announcements. You log onto the EA servers to play, and a screen pops up once a week, or once every two week (whatever) telling you you're a d*ck if you use the glitch, and BW could cut you off. Or something to that effect.

If people continue to use it after that, f*ck 'em. They had a reasonable and easily accessible warning. That's also probably easier than fixing the glitch...


You speak too much common "good" sence, and by your own argument most people don't follow it. So your words will fall on deaf ears mostly.

Game needs an official warning screen like with the events, very easy to put up. And I think even most of the indifferent camp like me will agree, once you have been warned properly it's tough if you still do it and get banned.

And to people saying they can't understand others attitude regards morall issues, they are likely just as bemused by your stance too.

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peg1974 wrote...
Game needs an official warning screen like with the events, very easy to put up. And I think even most of the indifferent camp like me will agree, once you have been warned properly it's tough if you still do it and get banned.


http://social.biowar.../index/13207837 

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Silasqtx wrote...

WilliamYZFR1 wrote...

At the end of the day its not up for debate, so its a ban. Buy a new online pass & your good to go.


Hell no. I'm not spending another 50$ for a game I've already bought (for full, both SP and MP, ndr).


Hell no, you wasted $50 glitching, be a better person next time.

I spent $50 and didn't glitch so learn from it.

Modifié par WilliamYZFR1, 22 juillet 2012 - 10:05 .


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WilliamYZFR1 wrote...
Hell no, you wasted $50 glithing, learn from it and be a better person next time.
I spent $50 and didn't glitch so learn from it.



I didn't glitch or cheat, I was banned by association or whatever the hell goes on BW mind, I don't even know why I've been banned. They can check my Coalesced anytime, they won't find nothing wrong with it.
I hope you get banned too, maybe you'll stop vomiting such pearls of wisdom.

Who am I kidding, you'll probably buy another pass for 10$, you must be on console.

Modifié par Silasqtx, 22 juillet 2012 - 10:08 .


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peg1974 wrote...

Strict31 wrote...

Shpoon wrote...


I think morally it is wrong to exploit a glitch & keep doing so,


I don't. I mean, it's just a game, and we're acting like this is some sort of crime against god and man. Not you specifically; I mean overall on the boards.

There are enough bullsh*t glitches in this game that work against you that I can't muster up much concern about a beneficial glitch. In one Gold match last night one of the guys had a Vanguard glitch half a minute into the first wave. So, for the entire rest of the match, we were a three man team on Gold. Our strategy was all but crippled, but we soldiered through it.

Until wave 10 when we got the escort mission. The drone falls through the goddamn map and there's nothing we can do to complete the mission. So all that effort we put in, working with only three guys, was a waste of my f*ckin' time.

I understand that glitches and bugs can be hard to track down. That understanding doesn't in any way ease the frustration felt when the game f*cks you over through events that are beyond your ability to control. I felt the same way about Skyrim's numerous glitches vs. the beneficial Oghma Infinium glitch.

However, I do look on people using the glitch as if they're kinda b*tch-assed. I don't cotton much to elitism in any game, but I can't help but feel that if you use the glitch to win a match, even Gold or whatever, then you're kind of a p*ssy. Like, you can't do what many of us have struggled hard to learn to be able to do.

I saw (and reported) some guy using the glitch on Silver. It's Silver, bro. We can win this without using any missiles whatsoever. Come on, son. At the time, it pissed me off that he was using the glitch. But in retrospect, I don't know why I was so pissed. Nothing he did helped or hindered me. Hell, the only reason I left the lobby after the match was because BW employs fallacious logic to assign guilt by association.

Most people here don't seem to realize this is flawed reasoning (it's an actual logical fallacy that anyone can look up and confirm), worst of all, BW themselves.

I think both the exploiters and BW share the blame for this problem. But it's hardly a moral issue. I mean, it ain't like it makes baby Jesus cry. And if we're being honest, Jesus used the ultimate cheat codes to turn water into wine. How's that fair? I gotta BUY wine. Sh*t, I gotta buy water, for that matter.

But as you said earlier, no matter how difficult it might be to fix the glitch, I think that should take priority over banning. A lot of people assume that it's simple common sense to know that use of this exploit is a bannable offense. Those people are probably making the assumption that common sense is actually common. Anyone who's ever driven in rush hour traffic should know better than that. Every day of my life I see people do stupid sh*t they shouldn't on a regular goddamn basis.

Should be common sense that driving the speed limit is safer for everyone on the road. People still do it. I bet some of the people in this thread talking about common sense do it.

No matter how many people get banned, this problem continues to proliferate. I'm hearing about encounters with missile glitcher more and more from my friends. Even as recently as two weeks ago, none of them even knew what it was, because they don't frequent the boards.

I would imagine that the majority of people using the glitch also do not frequent the message boards. I shouldn't think it would be too difficult for BW to post a weekly reminder to at least explain to people the consequences of using the glitch. Just like they do with weekend objectives or DLC announcements. You log onto the EA servers to play, and a screen pops up once a week, or once every two week (whatever) telling you you're a d*ck if you use the glitch, and BW could cut you off. Or something to that effect.

If people continue to use it after that, f*ck 'em. They had a reasonable and easily accessible warning. That's also probably easier than fixing the glitch...


You speak too much common "good" sence, and by your own argument most people don't follow it. So your words will fall on deaf ears mostly.

Game needs an official warning screen like with the events, very easy to put up. And I think even most of the indifferent camp like me will agree, once you have been warned properly it's tough if you still do it and get banned.

And to people saying they can't understand others attitude regards morall issues, they are likely just as bemused by your stance too.


Probably will fall on deaf ears. But I try not to appeal to common sense, but rather to logic. Common sense is subjective. Logic...for the most part...is objective.

I don't have a problem with Glitchers being punished in some form or another; I simply couldn't care any less about the exploit. My issue is with Bioware's reliance on guilt by association as a means of either doling out punishment, or simply proscribing forbidden behaviors.

That logic is demonstrably fallacious.

If I want to play a game I paid for, I shouldn't have to follow a rule based on logical fallacy. More to the point, though, BW shouldn't be imposing a rule based on logical fallacy.

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Silasqtx wrote...

WilliamYZFR1 wrote...
Hell no, you wasted $50 glithing, learn from it and be a better person next time.
I spent $50 and didn't glitch so learn from it.



I didn't glitch or cheat, I was banned by association or whatever the hell goes on BW mind, I don't even know why I've been banned. They can check my Coalesced anytime, they won't find nothing wrong with it.
I hope you get banned too, maybe you'll stop vomiting such pearls of wisdom.

Who am I kidding, you'll probably buy another pass for 10$, you must be on console.


Hey now, lets keep the console players outta this.