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[brblx]

Mgamerz wrote...

Also, 2 things.
1) You are entitled to zero updates post purchase. You bought the shipping version of the game no matter which version you purchased. You agreed to the EULA of the shipping version and it is legally binding.
2) If BW wants to keep making money off of Xbox purchases they will have to fix this bug. Other glitches are annoying but nothing like the MG.

I have no argument against you, or for glitching, but I would like to point out that EULA's are about as legally binding as a high-five.

Are glitchers going to go to court to have the agreement thrown out, as they legally could? I doubt it. But I'd leave EULA's out of the argument.

[Mgamerz]

Its rare that they would take you to court, but if your license is revoked for valid reasons, you can do nothing to stop them cause it is legal.

[We Tigers]

UKillMeLongTime wrote...

JMCatrow wrote...

I agree with the original poster. It's on BioWare to fix their game, not everyone else. I don't know this for sure, but some things I read on here say this "missile glitch" is not done with anything outside the game? As in there's no hacking, or modding, or whatever? So they're not even breaking any rules by doing it.

I don't buy the whole, "we're losing money" thing. I can't imagine that there are tons of people out there dumb enough to pay actual money for the chance (I could see it if people were paying say, 120pts for a Valiant or whatever... but not just the chance to get one) at getting some stupid gear. But, then again, maybe there ARE that many morons because it makes no sense to me why anyone would be pissed about a missile glitcher helping them get free credits in the first place... especially when it's the glitchers ass on the line, not theirs.

read the rules

Promote, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, 
cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or 
distribution of counterfeit software and/or virtual currency/items. 

Yeah, I get it--Bioware has set up rules stating that if you use an exploit, they can ban you. They could also set up a rule allowing bans if you farm Geth on White, or if you use four N7 classes in the same match, or whatever trigger they think appropriate. They can make whatever rules they want. The point is that it's a little disingenuous to put the onus of not using something that is in the game on the players. If it's in the game, it's in the game.

I think missile glitching sucks, is annoying, and should be removed from the game ASAP, but I don't think banning players is the way to do it. Fix the bug in your game, not the people playing your game.

[InfamousResult]

We Tigers wrote...

The point is that it's a little disingenuous to put the onus of not using something that is in the game on the players. If it's in the game, it's in the game.

We're gonna' have to disagree on this one.

It is OBVIOUSLY cheating. I can think of no half-minded twit who would actually look at the Missile Glitch and think to themself "HMM, THIS IS A LEGITIMATE STRATEGY INCLUDED AS PART OF THE GAME". This is not how the game is intended to be played, and anybody who uses this glitch purposely knows they are abusing a bug. And I repeat myself again-- abusing bugs has always been a punishable offense in any online multiplayer game, for as long as I've been playing multiplayer games online ( before UT99 ). It's not new. "Being in the game" doesn't make it okay.

It's disingenuous of the players themselves to use it in the first place. It's most certainly not disingenuous of Bioware to punish them, just as they said they would in the ToS, and just as every game company before them has done. If people don't like it, they should either A) Not cheat, or  Not play games online.

[Senshirou]

InfamousResult wrote...

We Tigers wrote...

The point is that it's a little disingenuous to put the onus of not using something that is in the game on the players. If it's in the game, it's in the game.

We're gonna' have to disagree on this one.

It is OBVIOUSLY cheating. I can think of no half-minded twit who would actually look at the Missile Glitch and think to themself "HMM, THIS IS A LEGITIMATE STRATEGY INCLUDED AS PART OF THE GAME". This is not how the game is intended to be played, and anybody who uses this glitch purposely knows they are abusing a bug. And I repeat myself again-- abusing bugs has always been a punishable offense in any online multiplayer game, for as long as I've been playing multiplayer games online ( before UT99 ). It's not new. "Being in the game" doesn't make it okay.

It's disingenuous of the players themselves to use it in the first place. It's most certainly not disingenuous of Bioware to punish them, just as they said they would in the ToS, and just as every game company before them has done. If people don't like it, they should either A) Not cheat, or  Not play games online.

Sure it might not be a legitimate way, but it a way nonetheless. Many games have glitches and many of their coders fix these as fast as possible why can't BioWare? Instead of fueling banwaves every month? why not use that time to actually find the issue and remove it. You find banning people justifiable, fine, but I find them fixing the issue a greater cause in the long run.

[InfamousResult]

Senshirou wrote...

Sure it might not be a legitimate way, but it a way nonetheless. Many games have glitches and many of their coders fix these as fast as possible why can't BioWare? Instead of fueling banwaves every month? why not use that time to actually find the issue and remove it. You find banning people justifiable, fine, but I find them fixing the issue a greater cause in the long run.

Let me tell you why you're twice-wrong.

1. The people who fix glitches and the people who ban players are different. They aren't wasting any time by banning people, because the people who ban players WOULD NOT be allocated into fixing glitches- that isn't their job, that isn't what they do. Chances are, those people know jack-diddly about fixing glitches. NEITHER is being prioritized over the other, because they are completely separate departments, okay?

2. "Many games" having glitches and fixing them doesn't mean THESE glitches are easy to fix. I'm going to take a wild shot in the dark and assume you, yourself, know jack-diddly about fixing glitches. Some are easy to fix. Some are not. Even big-name developers, with millions of dollars and thousands of man-hours, cannot ensure that they can fix EVERY glitch. As an example: Team Fortress 2 is a game that's been out ( and has had a DEDICATED TEAM working on it ) for almost 5 years. And yet, a bug that's been around for ( as well as I can tell ) as long as the game's been out- a bug that caused the majority of the "server not connected to the item server" problems- was only VERY RECENTLY fixed.

So no. Just because many games before this one have had quick, easy bug fixes, that absolutely doesn't mean that this bug is easy to fix. There are many bugs, in many other games, that take EVEN LONGER to fix- and some don't ever get fixed at all.

Modifié par InfamousResult, 23 juillet 2012 - 03:41 .

[FearTheCompany]

InfamousResult wrote...

Senshirou wrote...

Sure it might not be a legitimate way, but it a way nonetheless. Many games have glitches and many of their coders fix these as fast as possible why can't BioWare? Instead of fueling banwaves every month? why not use that time to actually find the issue and remove it. You find banning people justifiable, fine, but I find them fixing the issue a greater cause in the long run.

Let me tell you why you're twice-wrong.

1. The people who fix glitches and the people who ban players are different. They aren't wasting any time by banning people, because the people who ban players WOULD NOT be allocated into fixing glitches- that isn't their job, that isn't what they do. Chances are, those people know jack-diddly about fixing glitches. NEITHER is being prioritized over the other, because they are completely separate departments, okay?

2. "Many games" having glitches and fixing them doesn't mean THESE glitches are easy to fix. I'm going to take a wild shot in the dark and assume you, yourself, know jack-diddly about fixing glitches. Some are easy to fix. Some are not. Even big-name developers, with millions of dollars and thousands of man-hours, cannot ensure that they can fix EVERY glitch. As an example: Team Fortress 2 is a game that's been out ( and has had a DEDICATED TEAM working on it ) for almost 5 years. And yet, a bug that's been around for ( as well as I can tell ) as long as the game's been out- a bug that caused the majority of the "server not connected to the item server" problems- was only VERY RECENTLY fixed.

So no. Just because many games before this one have had quick, easy bug fixes, that absolutely doesn't mean that this bug is easy to fix. There are many bugs, in many other games, that take EVEN LONGER to fix- and some don't ever get fixed at all.

Who cares? Fix the **** glitch!

[InfamousResult]

FearTheCompany wrote...

Who cares? Fix the **** glitch!

A riveting response. Truly, you have a firm grasp of the situation. I assert that Bioware should snatch you up from the forums and put you at the head of the bug fixing team, so you can tackle this problem head-on.

[Senshirou]

Its funny that you assume I know "jack-diddly" (TF) as you said. But anyways, cool story dude. You must work for a gaming company because YOU know SO much. How many hours a day do you spend reporting people?

[FearTheCompany]

InfamousResult wrote...

FearTheCompany wrote...

Who cares? Fix the **** glitch!

A riveting response. Truly, you have a firm grasp of the situation. I assert that Bioware should snatch you up from the forums and put you at the head of the bug fixing team, so you can tackle this problem head-on.

Didn't read that persons full response. So you don't care how long it takes to fix this just curious?

[InfamousResult]

Senshirou wrote...

Its funny that you assume I know "jack-diddly" (TF) as you said. But anyways, cool story dude. You must work for a gaming company because YOU know SO much. How many hours a day do you spend reporting people?

I never asserted that I had any prior experience fixing bugs. But if you're going to come in here and throw around "facts" ( ie. you just saying "companies fix bugs fast" with no references, and that's your whole argument ), what is suddenly wrong with me coming in here and saying the opposite, while providing a point of reference?

How many hours a day do you stand outside Bioware HQ and complain?

Modifié par InfamousResult, 23 juillet 2012 - 03:57 .

[InfamousResult]

FearTheCompany wrote...

Didn't read that persons full response.

Then don't reply to it?

Bugs aren't fixed by tapping your ruby slippers together and clapping your hands.

[Senshirou]

InfamousResult wrote...

Senshirou wrote...

Its funny that you assume I know "jack-diddly" (TF) as you said. But anyways, cool story dude. You must work for a gaming company because YOU know SO much. How many hours a day do you spend reporting people?

I never asserted that I had any prior experience fixing bugs. But if you're going to come in here and throw around "facts" ( ie. you just saying "companies fix bugs fast" with no references, and that's your whole argument ), what is suddenly wrong with me coming in here and saying the opposite, while providing a point of reference?

How many hours a day do you stand outside Bioware HQ and complain?

Its troubling for you to answer because you must spend loads of your time being the "good citizen" you are. That's cute kid. But yeah, a lot of companies do fix a lot of glitches fast. DCUO has had glitches a lot of times and they've fixed them real quick A LOT of times. The same goes for other games.

But I don't complain. I troll you wannabe goody goodies who think they are right. I'm indifferent to the whole glitch because I don't concern myself with who has and who wants to do it. You on the other has it set like its an objective. How many credits are you getting? How many xp?

[InfamousResult]

Senshirou wrote...

Its troubling for you to answer because you must spend loads of your time being the "good citizen" you are. That's cute kid. But yeah, a lot of companies do fix a lot of glitches fast. DCUO has had glitches a lot of times and they've fixed them real quick A LOT of times. The same goes for other games.

But I don't complain. I troll you wannabe goody goodies who think they are right. I'm indifferent to the whole glitch because I don't concern myself with who has and who wants to do it. You on the other has it set like its an objective. How many credits are you getting? How many xp?

Oh nooo, insuuuults~.

I never expected this from somebody losing an argument oh nooo~.

Oh nooo, and he's a troll tooo oh my goooooosh I am so surpriiiiiiised~.

Modifié par InfamousResult, 23 juillet 2012 - 04:10 .

[Senshirou]

InfamousResult wrote...

Senshirou wrote...

Its troubling for you to answer because you must spend loads of your time being the "good citizen" you are. That's cute kid. But yeah, a lot of companies do fix a lot of glitches fast. DCUO has had glitches a lot of times and they've fixed them real quick A LOT of times. The same goes for other games.

But I don't complain. I troll you wannabe goody goodies who think they are right. I'm indifferent to the whole glitch because I don't concern myself with who has and who wants to do it. You on the other has it set like its an objective. How many credits are you getting? How many xp?

Oh nooo, insuuuults~.

I never expected this from somebody losing an argument oh nooo~.

Oh nooo, and he's a troll tooo oh my goooooosh I am so surpriiiiiiised~.

Oh no you still can't answer how many hours a day you focus on reporting people.

Oh no, you didn't know dc has glitches and they fix them quickly.

Oh no, I never knew calling you a goody goody, kid, or a good citizen was an insult.

Moving on. BioWare step your game up, find better employees, coders to fix this issue since its hurting your business. Quit tryna ban people because y'all slipped up.

[Elijini]

I went to the supermarket the other day and the fishmonger was making so many fillets! I was like, dude, stop making so many fillets, I only want hotdogs! You're just wasting time making those fillets, get to work on those hotdogs!

[CmnDwnWrkn]

I'm thinking it either isn't fixable, or they haven't yet determined how to fix it.

[Senshirou]

Elijini wrote...

I went to the supermarket the other day and the fishmonger was making so many fillets! I was like, dude, stop making so many fillets, I only want hotdogs! You're just wasting time making those fillets, get to work on those hotdogs!

I bet you got those hotdogs in the next 5 minutes lol

[FearTheCompany]

Oh no you still can't answer how many hours a day you focus on reporting people.

Oh no, you didn't know dc has glitches and they fix them quickly.

Oh no, I never knew calling you a goody goody, kid, or a good citizen was an insult.

Moving on. BioWare step your game up, find better employees, coders to fix this issue since its hurting your business. Quit tryna ban people because y'all slipped up.

+1

Modifié par FearTheCompany, 23 juillet 2012 - 04:22 .

[InfamousResult]

Senshirou wrote...

Oh no you still can't answer how many hours a day you focus on reporting people.

Oh no, you didn't know dc has glitches and they fix them quickly.

Oh no, I never knew calling you a goody goody, kid, or a good citizen was an insult.

Moving on. BioWare step your game up, find better employees, coders to fix this issue since its hurting your business. Quit tryna ban people because y'all slipped up.

Oh no, I don't have a stopwatch on-hand and start and stop it every time I find somebody pathetic enough to cheat.

Oh no, you completely missed the point that some bugs are easy to fix and some bugs aren't and it doesn't matter if DCUO fixes their glitches faster and that as I pointed out to you already there are games with dedicated teams that take even longer to fix existing bugs that adversely affect the game and now you have to read this run-on sentence because you didn't pay attention.

Oh no, now you're trying to veil the fact that you meant those to be insults as if anybody with common sense couldn't tell what you meant by it.

Moving on. Continue banning players, not because "ya'll slipped up", Bioware, but because the players themselves are doing something wrong.

[Elijini]

Senshirou wrote...

Elijini wrote...

I went to the supermarket the other day and the fishmonger was making so many fillets! I was like, dude, stop making so many fillets, I only want hotdogs! You're just wasting time making those fillets, get to work on those hotdogs!

I bet you got those hotdogs in the next 5 minutes lol

He looked at me like I was an idiot and said 'Im a fishmonger, how many fillets I cut wont affect how many hotdogs the butcher makes, maybe you should go talk to him.'

[Senshirou]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

I'm thinking it either isn't fixable, or they haven't yet determined how to fix it.

Probably the latter. They should atleast say whether or not they're looking into it.

[Senshirou]

InfamousResult wrote...

Senshirou wrote...

Oh no you still can't answer how many hours a day you focus on reporting people.

Oh no, you didn't know dc has glitches and they fix them quickly.

Oh no, I never knew calling you a goody goody, kid, or a good citizen was an insult.

Moving on. BioWare step your game up, find better employees, coders to fix this issue since its hurting your business. Quit tryna ban people because y'all slipped up.

Oh no, I don't have a stopwatch on-hand and start and stop it every time I find somebody pathetic enough to cheat.

Oh no, you completely missed the point that some bugs are easy to fix and some bugs aren't and it doesn't matter if DCUO fixes their glitches faster and that as I pointed out to you already there are games with dedicated teams that take even longer to fix existing bugs that adversely affect the game and now you have to read this run-on sentence because you didn't pay attention.

Oh no, now you're trying to veil the fact that you meant those to be insults as if anybody with common sense couldn't tell what you meant by it.

Moving on. Continue banning players, not because "ya'll slipped up", Bioware, but because the players themselves are doing something wrong.

Whatever you need say to sleep at night.

[InfamousResult]

Elijini wrote...

He looked at me like I was an idiot and said 'Im a fishmonger, how many fillets I cut wont affect how many hotdogs the butcher makes, maybe you should go talk to him.'

I don't think people will be able to wrap their heads around this. Maybe a better analogy would be if you went to the fishmonger and expected him to fix your computer.

[Senshirou]

Done

Modifié par Senshirou, 23 juillet 2012 - 04:27 .