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[dreman9999]

sth128 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Let me help you. This is a weapon that effect all tech but focuses on AI...

"Affects".

So why does Shepard die? Is he an AI? And if it affects all technology, why doesn't it kill all ships and Quarians?

Almost all tech in the Mass Effect Universe is based on Prothean tech, which was based on Reaper tech. Pretty much every race copy-pasta what they can from the Mass Relays. The wave should have destroyed all ships, all relays, everything. Anything with element zero in it should have exploded. That means every Asari, every biotic, Eezo mines, FTL cores, guns, cannons, and Traynor's toothbrush.

It effects not destorys. The range of what that effect would mean is vast but it understand not to destroy the tech. The quarians are fine.
Nothing the starchild says state it focuses on reaper tech only. If you still think so, rewatch the destory conversation....
It's a big emp that desined to kill AI's. How is that hard to understand?

[The Angry One]

mechalynx wrote...
 Also, why the hell would anyone want to rebuild a Reaper anyway?

[dreman9999]

The Angry One wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yes they are AI's. I think you need to takethe time to learn what is an AI.
INB4THEIRORGANIC/SYNTHETICHYBICTALK.....

The reapers are machines made out of organic parts, that still makes them machines and AI.

Their minds are made up of a gestalt intelligence made from organic minds somehow.
That is not AI. You may say it is a form of artificially constructed intelligence, but it's not the same technologically now, is it? 

No, what in the lore even says that? We saw how they turn people in to reapers. There entire bodies ar turn to goo. There is no mind to save.
Their AI's.

[The Angry One]

dreman9999 wrote...

No, what in the lore even says that? We saw how they turn people in to reapers. There entire bodies ar turn to goo. There is no mind to save.
Their AI's.

They claim the collective knowledge of harvested civilisations exist within the Reapers.
Since Reapers don't read books, they obviously store at least a copy of their minds in there somehow.

[dreman9999]

The Angry One wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

No, what in the lore even says that? We saw how they turn people in to reapers. There entire bodies ar turn to goo. There is no mind to save.
Their AI's.

They claim the collective knowledge of harvested civilisations exist within the Reapers.
Since Reapers don't read books, they obviously store at least a copy of their minds in there somehow.

Knowledge does only come from organics  minds only  and the reapers don't have to reaper organics to get it.They can just hack their systems and take it. Organics seem to put it all in the same place.(The citadel.)
Add the reapers can take the 
knowlegde  from organics before turning them to goo with indoctrination.(Read mass effec:retribution.) Nothing is ever shown that they keep organics mind, ego, or brain in any form. But they can take the knowlegde. So , no they don't save organic minds.

Modifié par dreman9999, 22 juillet 2012 - 03:47 .

[The Angry One]

And here dreman veers off into headcanon territory once again. I'm out.

Modifié par The Angry One, 22 juillet 2012 - 03:57 .

[dreman9999]

The Angry One wrote...

And here dreman veers off into headcanon territory once again. I'm out.

Head cannon? Everything I just stated is from the lore. 
Your the would who is making stuff up.

[Applepie_Svk]

The Angry One wrote...

And here dreman veers off into headcanon territory once again. I'm out.

Why I have a bad feeling that these victims which find a truth that they are indoctrinated have intend to kill themselves ?

[spirosz]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

And here dreman veers off into headcanon territory once again. I'm out.

Head cannon? Everything I just stated is from the lore. 
Your the would who is making stuff up.

Lore has been broken before ME1 even got written.  

[dreman9999]

spiros9110 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

And here dreman veers off into headcanon territory once again. I'm out.

Head cannon? Everything I just stated is from the lore. 
Your the would who is making stuff up.

Lore has been broken before ME1 even got written.  

Oh, god.....Things that been stated from ME1 are now being told to be made up. What a sad day.
Vigil tell you that the reaper get a great protion of the info and knowlegde of organics at the start of the invation when they take the citadel.
ME:retribution shows how Reapers get info and knowlegde from organic using indoctrination.
And yet I'm being told I'm making it up?

Modifié par dreman9999, 22 juillet 2012 - 04:14 .

[Wulfram]

The Angry One wrote...

They claim the collective knowledge of harvested civilisations exist within the Reapers.
Since Reapers don't read books, they obviously store at least a copy of their minds in there somehow.

Just like the new Catalyst has Shepard's memories in Control.  But Shepalyst is still AI, or at least near enough that I'd expect it to be affected by an anti-AI bomb.

[sistersafetypin]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

... And Synthesis targets all the things, because the plot wills it.

So the next time someone yells at their Omni-tool for not working... It's most likely going to cry. 

[Father_Jerusalem]

So... the Mass Relays are synthetic LIFE now?

Is that what you're trying to say?

[legion999]

The Angry One wrote...

Xellith wrote...

Dont forget that the red option will distinguish between organics and synthetics - but with lower ems it cannot distinguish and targets everyone. (at least the citadel energy explosion kills everyone on earth and nearby. The fact hackett is alive pretty much says that elsewhere in the galaxy they didnt get killed I guess)

There's also a dude on Earth who's alive.
You know, after the whole planet is incinerated. Maybe he hid in Vault 13.

Does that make Starbrat the Master?

[Kamfrenchie]

legion999 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Xellith wrote...

Dont forget that the red option will distinguish between organics and synthetics - but with lower ems it cannot distinguish and targets everyone. (at least the citadel energy explosion kills everyone on earth and nearby. The fact hackett is alive pretty much says that elsewhere in the galaxy they didnt get killed I guess)

There's also a dude on Earth who's alive.
You know, after the whole planet is incinerated. Maybe he hid in Vault 13.

Does that make Starbrat the Master?

I always thought they were similar

[elitehunter34]

dreman9999 wrote...
It effects not destorys. The range of what that effect would mean is vast but it understand not to destroy the tech. The quarians are fine.
Nothing the starchild says state it focuses on reaper tech only. If you still think so, rewatch the destory conversation....
It's a big emp that desined to kill AI's. How is that hard to understand?

It isn't a big emp that is designed to kill AI's.  The the Catalyst directly states is that it will affect all technology.  It damages the relays.  It obviously affects more than AI's.  There's no reason why it kills some things and only damages others.  It is all a contrivance.

[dreman9999]

elitehunter34 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
It effects not destorys. The range of what that effect would mean is vast but it understand not to destroy the tech. The quarians are fine.
Nothing the starchild says state it focuses on reaper tech only. If you still think so, rewatch the destory conversation....
It's a big emp that desined to kill AI's. How is that hard to understand?

It isn't a big emp that is designed to kill AI's.  The the Catalyst directly states is that it will affect all technology.  It damages the relays.  It obviously affects more than AI's.  There's no reason why it kills some things and only damages others.  It is all a contrivance.

Do you even know what an emp does? It's it does the same thing the catalyst say the crucible does. What exaclty does the cruciblr in the destory choice not do that an emp does?

Modifié par dreman9999, 22 juillet 2012 - 05:37 .

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

elitehunter34 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
It effects not destorys. The range of what that effect would mean is vast but it understand not to destroy the tech. The quarians are fine.
Nothing the starchild says state it focuses on reaper tech only. If you still think so, rewatch the destory conversation....
It's a big emp that desined to kill AI's. How is that hard to understand?

It isn't a big emp that is designed to kill AI's.  The the Catalyst directly states is that it will affect all technology.  It damages the relays.  It obviously affects more than AI's.  There's no reason why it kills some things and only damages others.  It is all a contrivance.

Do you even know what an emp does? It's it does the same thing the catalyst say the crucible does.

thats what he means, if it was just like an EMP bomb then it would have destroyed the Relays with the Synthetics but it didn't

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

elitehunter34 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
It effects not destorys. The range of what that effect would mean is vast but it understand not to destroy the tech. The quarians are fine.
Nothing the starchild says state it focuses on reaper tech only. If you still think so, rewatch the destory conversation....
It's a big emp that desined to kill AI's. How is that hard to understand?

It isn't a big emp that is designed to kill AI's.  The the Catalyst directly states is that it will affect all technology.  It damages the relays.  It obviously affects more than AI's.  There's no reason why it kills some things and only damages others.  It is all a contrivance.

Do you even know what an emp does? It's it does the same thing the catalyst say the crucible does.

thats what he means, if it was just like an EMP bomb then it would have destroyed the Relays with the Synthetics but it didn't

It didn't destroy the relays. It overloaded them. It's an emp.

Modifié par dreman9999, 22 juillet 2012 - 05:42 .

[elitehunter34]

dreman9999 wrote...
It didn't destroy the relays. It overloaded them. It's an emp.

The EMP explanation only raises more questions.  Even if it was an EMP why does it destroy synthetics and only damage the relays?  Why aren't the Geth shielded against EMP attacks? They would presumably be shielded against it and be unnaffected.  If the Reapers are vulnerable to EMP attacks why has no one taken advantage of this? Why would the Reapers be affected by EMP?  They would be shielded.  How would the mass relays carry an EMP pulse?  Mass relays move mass, not electromagnetic radiation.  It's impossible.  The EMP explanation just falls flat on its face.

[Sajuro]

I always thought it was meant to destroy Reaper code or Reaper AI, the Relays were damaged because of the force it took to expend that energy.

[dreman9999]

elitehunter34 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
It didn't destroy the relays. It overloaded them. It's an emp.

The EMP explanation only raises more questions.  Even if it was an EMP why does it destroy synthetics and only damage the relays?  Why aren't the Geth shielded against EMP attacks? They would presumably be shielded against it and be unnaffected.  If the Reapers are vulnerable to EMP attacks why has no one taken advantage of this? Why would the Reapers be affected by EMP?  They would be shielded.  How would the mass relays carry an EMP pulse?  Mass relays move mass, not electromagnetic radiation.  It's impossible.  The EMP explanation just falls flat on its face.

It awnser is the very concept of a persona. If you wipe someone mind, who ever they are dies. Think brain death. Even if the body is restore, who every the person was dies. The tech we use doen't have a persona, but AI's do. If the reaper have no info on what they are, who they are and how they function, they simply stop. Same concept of every AI.
IT DOESN'T FALL ON IT'S FACE, YOUR JUST NOT BOTHERING THE THNIK MORE ON IT.

Modifié par dreman9999, 22 juillet 2012 - 06:11 .

[dreman9999]

Sajuro wrote...

I always thought it was meant to destroy Reaper code or Reaper AI, the Relays were damaged because of the force it took to expend that energy.

When and where does the catalyst ever say that? All he said is that it effects all tech and destorys all AI, nothing is ever said about reaper code.

Modifié par dreman9999, 22 juillet 2012 - 06:33 .

[elitehunter34]

dreman9999 wrote...

elitehunter34 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
It didn't destroy the relays. It overloaded them. It's an emp.

The EMP explanation only raises more questions.  Even if it was an EMP why does it destroy synthetics and only damage the relays?  Why aren't the Geth shielded against EMP attacks? They would presumably be shielded against it and be unnaffected.  If the Reapers are vulnerable to EMP attacks why has no one taken advantage of this? Why would the Reapers be affected by EMP?  They would be shielded.  How would the mass relays carry an EMP pulse?  Mass relays move mass, not electromagnetic radiation.  It's impossible.  The EMP explanation just falls flat on its face.

It awnser is the very concept of a persona. If you wipe someone mind, who ever they are dies. Think brain death. Even if the body is restore, who every the person is dies. The tech we use doen't have a persona, but AI's do. If the reaper have no info on what they are, who they are and how they function, they simply stop. Same concept of every AI.
IT DOESN'T FALL ON IT'S FACE, YOUR JUST NOT BOTHERING THE THNIK MORE ON IT.

First you say it targets AI.  Then you say it's an emp, now you say it wipes synthetic minds.  If you keep moving the goalposts I don't see the point in arguing with you.  What you just described is not emp.

[flanny]

I think i can sum this up nicely by saying the ending was badly written... as it's badly written and lore does not exist in ME3 feel free to believe anything you want, you are all right