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PSA: You are Not Rambo and You Are Wasting My Life


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#251
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Conduit0 wrote...

I would say failing to inform a random that the rest of the team plans to suicide at the end of wave 10 and simply assuming that you can bully them into conformity once the match has started is far worse in terms of griefing.

If you don't have the decency to warn players ahead of time, its no ones fault but your own when players fail to abide by your way of playing the game.
Ofcourse I'm sure you'll ignore this, since you couldn't be a good little troll if you didn't.


I used to think it'd be so great to have text messaging in the lobby at least on PC.  I'm starting to figure it's not a big deal.  Reading comprehension only gets worse and worse on the internet.  <sigh>
I never said anything about bullying anyone into conformity.  That's all the "I'll solo the whole round if it takes an hour because screw people who want to get stuff done fast" crowd.  And I have no problem with finishing the match.  I'd prefer the quick route because it takes a goddamn trillion credits to max out URs, but I've no problem finishing it to extraction if that's what others want to do.  Nor do I blame people who don't realize the quick route intention.  My problem is with the "I'm better than you because I play the game As Intended™" self-righteous... people.  As if they verified every strategy they use with the devs personally.  "Did you intend for these two types of adepts to team up and spam BE's?  No?  Okay, I'll stop doing that."  Riiiight.

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 your laziness is why i dont have 6 medi gels

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Whats the point in playing this game if all you want to do is:
speedrun -> max gold -> buy new stuff -> speedrun -> max gold -> buy new stuff

If you are wasting your time playing this game just to unlock new stuff as fast as possible and get frustrated about people who play this game to enjoy every part of it, you are addicted to getting more stuff and not enjoying the game. You need help.

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Laying down and dying is not an option

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OK, but, once wave 10 objective is complete, I'm bleeding out. Have fun with the revive points if you want, but, I'll be getting a sandwich. Have fun playing Rambo. See you at the start of the next match.

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kingvenom41392 wrote...

your laziness is why i dont have 6 medi gels


You have to be energetic enough to use the shift key before calling people lazy and not being a joke.

RealSmokki wrote...

Whats the point in playing this game if all you want to do is:
speedrun -> max gold -> buy new stuff -> speedrun -> max gold -> buy new stuff

If you are wasting your time playing this game just to unlock new stuff as fast as possible and get frustrated about people who play this game to enjoy every part of it, you are addicted to getting more stuff and not enjoying the game. You need help.


This may come as a surprise, but having every episode of Oprah on DVD does not qualify you to psychoanalyze strangers over the internet. If you want to take 45 minutes to do a bronze match, nobody's judging you.

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I can easily go either way. If I see everybody else suicide after Wave 10, I do so as well. If they continue fighting into Wave 11, I help them out.

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I didn't even know that there's no credits past wave 10 objective...and I fought so hard in every single game to get to extraction, even aiming for full ext.

What have I been doing all this time? I should demand for all those minutes wasted to be given back in credits form! :D

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Rifneno wrote...


I have no problem with people who want to farm and die on wave 10 to get credits faster, I only have a problem with the people who act like everyone should play that way. THAT is elitism.


But you have no problem with people who act like everyone should play the way you want. Hypocrite.


Nope, I don't have a problem with people who want to play to win. Nor do I have a problem with people who think it's silly not to play to win. If you could comprehend your own signature, however, perhaps you'd realize that no one ever said "You shouldn't die on Wave 10." What they said was they weren't going to commit suicide, so if that's what you want to do, make it clear before the match starts.

And yeah, it's just plain silly to think that everyone buys into the farmer's philosophy on making credits. Can you not have fun playing the game until you have your UR's maxed out? The "I play for fun" argument isn't stupid, it's the whole point of gaming. If you're not having fun, why the hell are you playing? 

My problem is with the "I'm better than you because I play the game As
Intended™" self-righteous... people.  As if they verified every
strategy they use with the devs personally.  "Did you intend for these
two types of adepts to team up and spam BE's?  No?  Okay, I'll stop
doing that."  Riiiight


When did BE strategies get involved in this thread? When your argument fell flat. How did it fall flat? Because no one had to verify with the devs that finishing the game to extraction is the way the game is intended to be played. The "Mission Success" screen, the green check marks, and the red names for the fallen kind of give the whole thing away.

I'll just say what I've been saying the whole time, not that your reading comprenhension seems to live up to your own standards:

IF YOU WANT TO DIE ON WAVE 10, MAKE IT KNOWN BEFORE THE MATCH STARTS. IF YOU DON'T, THEN DON'T BE SURPRISED THAT SOMEONE MAY ACTUALLY WANT TO FINISH.

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19 hours ago an 11 pages.... good job

On topic: I die regardless on wave 10 once the objective is complete. Don't really care for the cry's on "why'd you kill yourself?!" If they get to wave 11 I kill myself on purpose again. Until bioware makes extraction worthwhile I won't be doing it for nobody. People I play with know this and agree.

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RealSmokki wrote...

Whats the point in playing this game if all you want to do is:
speedrun -> max gold -> buy new stuff -> speedrun -> max gold -> buy new stuff

If you are wasting your time playing this game just to unlock new stuff as fast as possible and get frustrated about people who play this game to enjoy every part of it, you are addicted to getting more stuff and not enjoying the game. You need help.


I agree with you, and I'm bleeding out once wave 10 objective is complete.  I separate the unlock system from the rest of the game.  The unlock system, I want to be done with already.  It's gone too far after 6 5 months of putting up with it. 

You are playing the game regardless of which wave it is.  Sure, the later waves have more bosses and are tougher.  But, I don't see wave 11 as different.   It's just another boss laden wave which I can experience in an earlier wave in the next match.  Actually, it's more like a hack objective, without the credits.

Once you get better at the game, the earlier waves seem a formality and not where the real challenge or excitement is.  I think the matches are too long.  I'd rather have shorter matches and more difficulty levels.  Then, you can zero in on your comfort zone.

Modifié par nicethugbert, 23 juillet 2012 - 05:13 .


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oXTheReverendXo wrote...

Nope, I don't have a problem with people who want to play to win. Nor do I have a problem with people who think it's silly not to play to win. If you could comprehend your own signature, however, perhaps you'd realize that no one ever said "You shouldn't die on Wave 10." What they said was they weren't going to commit suicide, so if that's what you want to do, make it clear before the match starts.


And if you did, perhaps you'd realize I keep saying my problem isn't with people that want to extract, it's with people who think they're better than those of us who want to have a typoon X before 2015 because "I play the game as intended herp a derp".

And stop repeating that "make it clear before the match starts" line. We get that forewarning is good. We also get that few PC players use mic's, many have voice chat shut off so they can't hear others even if we did, and that even if we did all 4 chat about it in the first ever PC PUG where all 4 people can speak to each other, there's a good chance that somebody'll get DC'd and replaced with a random guy who wasn't part of that conversation. You may recall the "servers are as reliable as a house of cards" as one of our arguments on suiciding and getting our credits.

And yeah, it's just plain silly to think that everyone buys into the farmer's philosophy on making credits. Can you not have fun playing the game until you have your UR's maxed out? The "I play for fun" argument isn't stupid, it's the whole point of gaming. If you're not having fun, why the hell are you playing?


I have more fun when I'm advancing my progress, i.e. unlocking more stuff. If you can't understand that, that's your problem. As for the "I play for fun" argument, it's jawdroppingly retarded for the very simple reason that's obviously going over your head: because we ARE playing for fun, we just enjoy different parts of the game. Seriously, how pretentious is it to think your way is the only way that's fun? God...

When did BE strategies get involved in this thread? When your argument fell flat. How did it fall flat? Because no one had to verify with the devs that finishing the game to extraction is the way the game is intended to be played. The "Mission Success" screen, the green check marks, and the red names for the fallen kind of give the whole thing away.


I don't give a vorcha's ass what they intended. I come from MMORPGs, where 90% of the accepted strategies were never intended by the developers. If you want to have only developer approved and intended fun, you go right ahead.

nicethugbert wrote...

You are playing the game regardless of which wave it is. Sure, the later waves have more bosses and are tougher. But, I don't see wave 11 as different. It's just another boss laden wave which I can experience in an earlier wave in the next match. Actually, it's more like a hack objective, without the credits.


Actually it's not even that. Wave 11 is easier than wave 1. You don't have to actually kill a single enemy, you can just keep retreating around the map and dive into the circle a few seconds before extraction. Easy as pie. Which is why it's boring: it's not even challenging.

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theillusiveman11 wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

another thread telling people how to play the game.



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People must never have had to sit through 15-20 minutes (enough time to do a whole 'nother run) of some low-skill infiltrator player running back and forth across a map, taking one shot at a time at a Prime or Banshee, never killing anything the entire time, seemingly ignorant and baffled by the fact that enemies' can regenerate their shields/barriers yet doing nothing different. 

I'm talking about the times where it's obvious to everyone, including the idiot running around, that he will not get anywhere and without a doubt lacks the knowledge and skill to quickly clutch the wave, and yet he'll take the same amount of time it would take the whole squad to double their credits and/or gameplay-time by finishing another complete mission together.

I have in several random gold rooms and it is frustrating as all hell.  It's absolutely pointless and infuriating to the rest of the squad, no matter whether their individual motivations for playing is for credits like the OP or just fun game time.

This was the main point of the OP of this thread. The fact that he mixed it in with mention of failing out after wave 10 when credit farming is truly unfortunate, as now that discussion has been colored more by that debate then by this real, irritating occurrence that can happen on any wave in a public match.

Modifié par Simbacca, 23 juillet 2012 - 08:04 .


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There's people that actually enjoy the XP, and there's people that like the good warm feeling of doing a full extraction, so I don't think extraction is so pointless, but in a farming lobby, yeah, completely pointless.


maybe it was a anti farming terrorist act?

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Alright. At what point does your goal become to win the game?

The only reason that people farm is to get the credits. For what? To upgrade/new weapons/characters. For what purpose if not to win? Bragging rights of the equipment that they have? Having maxed out UR weapons obtained through credits "earned" by hiding behind the counter in FBW hardly worth bragging about.  At some point, you should be trying to win/extract.  Why complain about others that simply want to win the game or otherwise challenge themselves with what they're given?

Just because there are those that lack the ability to enjoy the game for what it is doesn't mean that I will give up after the objective. I will just complete the game, extract with the people that care to win and kick those that don't. Your perspective is...limited.

Modifié par audicdm, 23 juillet 2012 - 08:13 .


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What happens when you have all the weapons? When there is nothing else to unlock? All you have is wasted time all because winning mattered more than enjoying the game

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audicdm wrote...

Just because there are those that lack the ability to enjoy the game for what it is doesn't mean that I will give up after the objective.


rifneno wrote...

Seriously, how pretentious is it to think your way is the only way that's fun? God...



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Zii Germans wrote...

So you are saying people shouldn't try to win and should give up. Plenty of people out there want to complete the whole mission whether for the XP or just because it is part of the enjoyment they get out of the game. I say shame on you for giving up. You sound like the type of person who seems to feel like using a medi-gel is the worse thing you can do. If you are playing with friends and you all agree to not get back up, fine, but don't blame randoms you play with for wanting to win.


Agreed. Don't be selfish, OP.

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nicethugbert wrote...

OK, but, once wave 10 objective is complete, I'm bleeding out. Have fun with the revive points if you want, but, I'll be getting a sandwich. Have fun playing Rambo. See you at the start of the next match.

>Kicked at 30 seconds to go due to inactivity
That'd be hilarious.

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Omega2079 wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Different people play the game to have fun in different ways. Not everyone is just a credit farmer.


Even typical fbwgg farmers go for extraction.


Yup, I was trying for a bronze game last night and got tossed into a FBWGG farming game.  I finished the game with the group and to their credit we all made it to extraction.  That whole extra 4 minutes or so was excellent practice time.

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Le Pwn wrote...

Edalborez wrote...

If they want to spend ~10 minutes soloing and using their consumables, I'm happy to just read threads on BSN on the meantime.

If you think time is wasted, you have ways to spend it better.


 When do you think i posted this? during the ten minutes my money was being held hostage.

 This isn't telling people how to play, its etiquette. You can do it all you want it just makes you an inconsiderate douche and then i add you to my avoid players list.


I'm sure this has been said in the last 11 pages that I'm not reading:

I find extraction fun, so you're the one being inconsiderate by suiciding.  Silly me, I thought we were here to play the game and have fun.  I didn't realize this was a job, where efficiency was paramount.  I always try to extract, and I have plenty of consumables that I don't mind using.  If I have to solo it, so be it.  Now you have two options - have fun, or sit around for 2 minutes not playing.

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Senshirou wrote...

19 hours ago an 11 pages.... good job

On topic: I die regardless on wave 10 once the objective is complete. Don't really care for the cry's on "why'd you kill yourself?!" If they get to wave 11 I kill myself on purpose again. Until bioware makes extraction worthwhile I won't be doing it for nobody. People I play with know this and agree.


Attitudes like that make me want to solo the rest of Wave 10 and take my sweet time doing so. Personally I dont see much point to wave 11 but Im not going to die on purpose as soon as the objective is done. 

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bclagge wrote...

Le Pwn wrote...

Edalborez wrote...

If they want to spend ~10 minutes soloing and using their consumables, I'm happy to just read threads on BSN on the meantime.

If you think time is wasted, you have ways to spend it better.


 When do you think i posted this? during the ten minutes my money was being held hostage.

 This isn't telling people how to play, its etiquette. You can do it all you want it just makes you an inconsiderate douche and then i add you to my avoid players list.


I'm sure this has been said in the last 11 pages that I'm not reading:

I find extraction fun, so you're the one being inconsiderate by suiciding.  Silly me, I thought we were here to play the game and have fun.  I didn't realize this was a job, where efficiency was paramount.  I always try to extract, and I have plenty of consumables that I don't mind using.  If I have to solo it, so be it.  Now you have two options - have fun, or sit around for 2 minutes not playing.

If they want to die then i will just take my sweet time n wave 10. They can either wait it out or quit and lose their credits

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I'm going to have to agree with the OP. Just played a gold game in which once we got the credits, one person decided to finish the match. Well luckily for me, while waiting for the person to finish, I got diconnected from the servers. 25 mins of my time wasted

Modifié par PhoenixVortex, 23 juillet 2012 - 08:40 .