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[Computron2000]

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

immanji wrote...

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

in my farming runs if we have to pug 1 person he should get the picture when the 3 of us run to the nearest boss and we all get our selfs killed he should do the same thing... if not we die on wave 11 if he still doesnt get the picture we are kicking when we get back to the lobby.

The more i play this game the more i dont really acre for extracts except for weekend events

Put me on your ban list then. Because every-now-and-then I play random, and I never bow down. 

3 vs 1, majority rules

Although i don't care about extracts either, i want to point out one problem with your statement.

i) You needed the random
ii) The random did not need you

If i) was not true, you would not even bother waiting to get a 4th. ii) is true as you did not invite him/her and also because he obviously selected to find a game rather than host. If he/she did not drop in your lobby, he/she would have dropped into another lobby. Hence you are not necessary for the random

[Le Pwn]

Shadow of Terror wrote...

You know, if a guy wants to play as a certain class and you guys want him to switch to a different class, he should just do it, because it's about you 3 guys having fun and not him.

You don't help the majority, you help everyone. If there is a cure for a rare disease, and all it needs is a bit of funding, you don't just ignore it because it barely effects anyone, you fund it because it effects someone. The kid wants to play through the whole game, like it was designed, the way you get the "mission success" screen, not the "mission failed". Maybe instead of complaining about how you have to wait for him and can't farm credits as fast, you just be nice to him and let him have fun?

That, or get a private lobby, get everyone to agree to die after you get all the credits, instead of telling random people how to play.

 Nice attempt at pulling at heart strings. But your argument is invalid. He isnt a kid nor suffering from a disease. He is a participant in a group seeking mutual gains.  This isnt about social well being (unless you are really taking your galactic readiness and the lives of npcs that personally)
1. They are lvl 20
2. They have no mic
3. 95% of the time they are just belligerent.

 Now lets say your argument even applied it would still be wrong for them to behave the way they do. If its inconsiderate for 3 people to have fun at the expense of 1 it is just as wrong if not more so for 1 to have fun at the expense of 3.

 You dont get to define what is the definition  of fun. 1 person has fun completing missions the other 3 have fun farming credits as fast as possible. that 1 person is inconsiderate to the group, and thereby a jerk.

[CroGamer002]

I'm mostly for it because I fear I'll get disconnected from EA servers randomly and lose my all hard worked money, just because someone wanted to go Rambo.

[TommyNg]

i hardly see someone can do that except on youtube, most of the player dont have the skill to do that, i would admire someone has the courage and skill to do so

[ChickenDownUnder]

Computron2000 wrote...

And say "We fight or we die!"

I lol'd. I lol'd so hard I gave myself hiccups.

Rifneno wrote...

Imagine how epic it would be if this + collectors as a new enemy faction.

Naturally, good sir. This chicken can indeed dream of such epicness. Pretty sure Shepard didn't get around to killing off all the Collectors.

[oXTheReverendXo]

Le Pwn wrote...


 You dont get to define what is the definition  of fun. 1 person has fun completing missions the other 3 have fun farming credits as fast as possible. that 1 person is inconsiderate to the group playing the game as intended, and thereby a jerk.

[immanji]

Le Pwn wrote...

Shadow of Terror wrote...

You know, if a guy wants to play as a certain class and you guys want him to switch to a different class, he should just do it, because it's about you 3 guys having fun and not him.

You don't help the majority, you help everyone. If there is a cure for a rare disease, and all it needs is a bit of funding, you don't just ignore it because it barely effects anyone, you fund it because it effects someone. The kid wants to play through the whole game, like it was designed, the way you get the "mission success" screen, not the "mission failed". Maybe instead of complaining about how you have to wait for him and can't farm credits as fast, you just be nice to him and let him have fun?

That, or get a private lobby, get everyone to agree to die after you get all the credits, instead of telling random people how to play.

 Nice attempt at pulling at heart strings. But your argument is invalid. He isnt a kid nor suffering from a disease. He is a participant in a group seeking mutual gains.  This isnt about social well being (unless you are really taking your galactic readiness and the lives of npcs that personally)
1. They are lvl 20
2. They have no mic
3. 95% of the time they are just belligerent.

 Now lets say your argument even applied it would still be wrong for them to behave the way they do. If its inconsiderate for 3 people to have fun at the expense of 1 it is just as wrong if not more so for 1 to have fun at the expense of 3.

 You dont get to define what is the definition  of fun. 1 person has fun completing missions the other 3 have fun farming credits as fast as possible. that 1 person is inconsiderate to the group, and thereby a jerk.

Think for yourself. Don't let majority rules frame the way you behave in a game/life. If that's how you feel about the matter of extraction, than so-be-it, but don't try to indoctrinate us free thinkers with your "greater good justifies the means" philosophy.

[NikkoJT]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Some people play

*GASP*

to win the game!!!!

Shocking, I know.

[UlyssesNotch]

ToaOrka wrote...

From now on, I will always use 5 gels and spec-ops only wave 11, just because you made the most time-wasting post ever. Mission accomplished?

[Zero132132]

Computron2000 wrote...

Although i don't care about extracts either, i want to point out one problem with your statement.

i) You needed the random
ii) The random did not need you

If i) was not true, you would not even bother waiting to get a 4th. ii) is true as you did not invite him/her and also because he obviously selected to find a game rather than host. If he/she did not drop in your lobby, he/she would have dropped into another lobby. Hence you are not necessary for the random

No. Most of the time, randoms join up, they get last place, and their primary purpose is to serve as a tool for keeping some of the aggro divided. It's possible that the match would have failed without SOMEONE in that position, but a decent 3-man team can succeed without the 4th being good. A GOOD 3 man team can succeed without a fourth, and I guess I've been part of that too, but it's nice to have the enemy shooting at a mobile decoy.

Conversely, the same random joining another group of randoms has a lower chance of success.

Not saying that what you're saying is always false, but it definitely isn't always true.

[SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING]

immanji wrote...

Le Pwn wrote...

Shadow of Terror wrote...

You know, if a guy wants to play as a certain class and you guys want him to switch to a different class, he should just do it, because it's about you 3 guys having fun and not him.

You don't help the majority, you help everyone. If there is a cure for a rare disease, and all it needs is a bit of funding, you don't just ignore it because it barely effects anyone, you fund it because it effects someone. The kid wants to play through the whole game, like it was designed, the way you get the "mission success" screen, not the "mission failed". Maybe instead of complaining about how you have to wait for him and can't farm credits as fast, you just be nice to him and let him have fun?

That, or get a private lobby, get everyone to agree to die after you get all the credits, instead of telling random people how to play.

 Nice attempt at pulling at heart strings. But your argument is invalid. He isnt a kid nor suffering from a disease. He is a participant in a group seeking mutual gains.  This isnt about social well being (unless you are really taking your galactic readiness and the lives of npcs that personally)
1. They are lvl 20
2. They have no mic
3. 95% of the time they are just belligerent.

 Now lets say your argument even applied it would still be wrong for them to behave the way they do. If its inconsiderate for 3 people to have fun at the expense of 1 it is just as wrong if not more so for 1 to have fun at the expense of 3.

 You dont get to define what is the definition  of fun. 1 person has fun completing missions the other 3 have fun farming credits as fast as possible. that 1 person is inconsiderate to the group, and thereby a jerk.

Think for yourself. Don't let majority rules frame the way you behave in a game/life. If that's how you feel about the matter of extraction, than so-be-it, but don't try to indoctrinate us free thinkers with your "greater good justifies the means" philosophy.

You are free to leave i dont see the problem, the way i see things is..each lobby is like a different country with its own rules when you join that lobby you adhere to whatever they decide or if there was a decision that was made.

Sure BW has designed the game for us to extract, but honestly dont give a dam, they cant overwatch ever MP game in exist to make sure all of us extract.

I dont go imposing my mentality on others WHEN i join somebodies lobby, but when you Join MY lobby with 2 other ppl who also agrees with me you better die after wave 10.

[ChickenDownUnder]

TommyNg wrote...

i hardly see someone can do that except on youtube, most of the player dont have the skill to do that, i would admire someone has the courage and skill to do so

I did it. Purely by accident.

I hadn't realized at first that the rest of the team had gone off to be stroked ever so gently by a Banshee, so I had headed to the extraction zone and started killing off mobs along the way. Wondering why I had to kill off so many by myself. I was using a human female Infiltrator using a single shot sniper, somehow being in first place (Still confuses me how I managed THAT with this build). And unbeknownest to me by the time it took the others to get gently stroked I just had to deal with a Banshee and two Brutes by the end... so I panicked and used my last missile + ops pack.

Sole survivor cred, baby. With explosions.

...or are we not talking about the same thing.

[Computron2000]

Zero132132 wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

Although i don't care about extracts either, i want to point out one problem with your statement.

i) You needed the random
ii) The random did not need you

If i) was not true, you would not even bother waiting to get a 4th. ii) is true as you did not invite him/her and also because he obviously selected to find a game rather than host. If he/she did not drop in your lobby, he/she would have dropped into another lobby. Hence you are not necessary for the random

No. Most of the time, randoms join up, they get last place, and their primary purpose is to serve as a tool for keeping some of the aggro divided. It's possible that the match would have failed without SOMEONE in that position, but a decent 3-man team can succeed without the 4th being good. A GOOD 3 man team can succeed without a fourth, and I guess I've been part of that too, but it's nice to have the enemy shooting at a mobile decoy.

Conversely, the same random joining another group of randoms has a lower chance of success.

Not saying that what you're saying is always false, but it definitely isn't always true.

In which case, the respondent would not have had any problems with a private 3 man game. However, said respondent either purposely waited in the lobby for a 4th or kept the game public, in which case, the respondent needed the 4th.

If a group of 3 can farm well by themselves, the entire point of this post is then nullified since you would never encounter a random that did not kill themselves as no randoms would be in the game.

As i already noted, the need lies with the respondent, not the random. The random would simply find him/herself in another game. Due to this, the entire "majority wins" does not hold true as the random did not need to be in the respondent's group

On the "lower chance of success", that will be dependent on what the random actually defines as success. The game experience of the random cannot be predicted, especially without knowing what the random wishes to get out of the game.

Modifié par Computron2000, 22 juillet 2012 - 05:48 .

[Lunaticsmith]

If you play for credits you may feel this. But if you don't play, instead you live the game... then you can't give up... Everyone must survive (expect the vorcha, I'll push them out of extraction ring).

[UlyssesNotch]

capn233 wrote...

Had an interesting experience the other day. We were on Glacier to make some money and took a random to round out the team. We wiped after the objective on 10. Just as we were about to get paid, the random Destroyer revives himself. Then proceeds to take all day long to finish off the last 2 Atlases. So we killed ourselves at the beginning of Wave 11 and the guy manages to go down to the basement and hide behind the desk for basically the last minute and a half while Banshees glitch on top of him. Nobody got extracted in the end, it just took the full time.

He really taught me a lesson. Now I will never intentionally die after getting paid ever again...

And the winner is... capn233

[nicola_nibhroin]

Le Pwn wrote...

 This isn't telling people how to play, its etiquette.

How is it 'etiquette' to intentionally fail a match?

You might consider that you've one once you've completed the final objective, but that 'Mission Success' screen doesn't come up until after Wave 11.

If you want to save a couple of minutes of your time that is completely your right- but don't expect other people to come into the match wanting to fail, and to do what you want to do because it's how you want to play.

Telling people how to play is exactly what you're doing. If you want them to lie down and die after the objective on Wave 10 say so in the lobby- if they want to do it they'll stay, if that kind of mercenary crap annoys them they'll leave.

[GallowsPole]

I have very little need for credits. Extraction represents the end of the mission. The problem is communication. Make it known at beginning of match. Got over 200 of each consumable, so don't mind playing either way.

[Edalborez]

If the rest of the team is down, I'm not going to solo wave 10 after the credits come in.
If they're not down, I won't use medi-gel but I'm still going to try to make it to extraction. Personal satisfaction.

[Olivia Wilde]

If I'm ever in a game with the op i'm gonna make sure I take as long as possible to finish wave 10

My record for keeping a nemesis alive is 20 minutes

would have been longer except I thought I had a proxy mine active

two players rage quit after less than two minutes of watching me kill an atlas with a wraith

The only other player left was the friend who I had invited

this was done more for our mutual amusement

Modifié par Millafan4526, 22 juillet 2012 - 06:15 .

[The Waffle Cat]

GallowsPole wrote...

The Waffle Cat wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Le Pwn wrote...

 If all your team is down after you get the money on wave 10 please be curteous enough not to waste the  lives of your teammates by spending 10 minutes trying to solo the wave.. your time might not be valuable but others is. Thank You.

So if they don't want to finish wave 11, but X person does, this person should just go with the rest of the lazy players?

Yeah, no.

Also if your time is so valuable then what are you doing playing computer games?

Q-Q

wave 11 is redundant and a waste of time.

Sorry but its the truth, its only made for a false sense of being victorious above an artificial intelligence.

As opposed to the first 10 waves of AI?

Doesnt gives you a false sense of being victorious, the 10 waves give you an in-game currency

[Atrumitos]

To be honest, shouldn't all waves give money by default and extra for operations? Hell you're killing half the galaxy between operations on gold (platinum is probably even more ridiculous), someone needs to pay up for all those heads lol

Extraction should also give money like an op (based on how many got extracted).

Modifié par Atrumitos, 22 juillet 2012 - 06:24 .

[Olivia Wilde]

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

immanji wrote...

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

in my farming runs if we have to pug 1 person he should get the picture when the 3 of us run to the nearest boss and we all get our selfs killed he should do the same thing... if not we die on wave 11 if he still doesnt get the picture we are kicking when we get back to the lobby.

The more i play this game the more i dont really acre for extracts except for weekend events

Put me on your ban list then. Because every-now-and-then I play random, and I never bow down. 

3 vs 1, majority rules

The only player alive rules

it's the Op's own damn fault for dying

[eye basher]

All my classes are at 20 and i finish every match to extraction you got 2 choices you can quit the match or wait until i'm done and if you don't like it well tough.

[onewinged20]

Le Pwn wrote...

Edalborez wrote...

If they want to spend ~10 minutes soloing and using their consumables, I'm happy to just read threads on BSN on the meantime.

If you think time is wasted, you have ways to spend it better.

 When do you think i posted this? during the ten minutes my money was being held hostage.

 This isn't telling people how to play, its etiquette. You can do it all you want it just makes you an inconsiderate douche and then i add you to my avoid players list.

Well said, sir.

[capn233]

Millafan4526 wrote...

If I'm ever in a game with the op i'm gonna make sure I take as long as possible to finish wave 10

My record for keeping a nemesis alive is 20 minutes

would have been longer except I thought I had a proxy mine active

two players rage quit after less than two minutes of watching me kill an atlas with a wraith

The only other player left was the friend who I had invited

this was done more for our mutual amusement

Xbox community is great.