297 réponses à ce sujet

[Krantzstone]

I think the only good argument I've heard so far is about the risk of disconnect.

Unfortunately, BioWare really need to change it so that every wave gives X number of credits and X amount of XP, and it should save this state after every wave is completed. This includes Wave 11 (which should really give bonus credits as well as XP for successful extraction, more if it's a full extraction).

As for expecting others to suicide just because you do, well: it's one thing if you all agreed to is in the lobby beforehand, but if there was no verbal agreement in place, I don't really see how you can expect people to simply roll over and die. They may want to successfully complete the mission for some reason (eg. they're trying to show a friend how the game is won, or they're trying to impress a guy/girl), or they may simply not know/realize that people are simply credit farming and wanting to get the hell out of dodge to go collect their earnings.

And if you have a mic, you can always ask the lone survivor to suicide with you, particularly if they're already at 20. They may refuse, but it doesn't hurt to ask. You can't expect them to read your mind, and not everyone who plays, reads the BSN forums.

Another idea for BioWare to give level 20s incentive to finish the game might be to make excess XP beyond level 20 turn into credits, or if you have other classes that aren't at 20 yet, the XP goes to those classes.

[JAMiAM]

nicola_nibhroin wrote...

Le Pwn wrote...

 This isn't telling people how to play, its etiquette.

How is it 'etiquette' to intentionally fail a match?

You might consider that you've one once you've completed the final objective, but that 'Mission Success' screen doesn't come up until after Wave 11.

If you want to save a couple of minutes of your time that is completely your right- but don't expect other people to come into the match wanting to fail, and to do what you want to do because it's how you want to play.

Telling people how to play is exactly what you're doing. If you want them to lie down and die after the objective on Wave 10 say so in the lobby- if they want to do it they'll stay, if that kind of mercenary crap annoys them they'll leave.

Well said.

[Olivia Wilde]

capn233 wrote...

Millafan4526 wrote...

If I'm ever in a game with the op i'm gonna make sure I take as long as possible to finish wave 10

My record for keeping a nemesis alive is 20 minutes

would have been longer except I thought I had a proxy mine active

two players rage quit after less than two minutes of watching me kill an atlas with a wraith

The only other player left was the friend who I had invited

this was done more for our mutual amusement

Xbox community is great.

Strangest part was it was a public match and no one came in after the rage quitters left....

and the PC community is really great with it's elitist attitudes and blaming everything on EA instead of the fact that not everyone's machine has the same specs

[onewinged20]

Stop me if I'm wrong, but I think this thread got a bit derailed.

People are arguing against intentionally wiping after getting credits on Wave 10. I hate to point out the obvious here, since all of you can apparently read, or you would have replied, but that's not what the OP is talking about.

This is about being forced to spend an absurdly long time watching one player solo the end of Wave 10. Yes, some people want to win. Yes, I understand why you would want to. That doesn't change the fact that it's inconsiderate to the three other players (not spectators) who have to wait for you to do it. If we wanted to watch someone else play, we would be on YouTube, not in a match.

[Omega2079]

You're not the boss of not-rambos, op, so we'll solo the round if we want to.

[JAMiAM]

Atrumitos wrote...
Extraction should also give money like an op (based on how many got extracted).

This is what Bioware should have done to get rid of the mercenary mentality.  Make all credits earned throughout the match dependent upon the proportion of team members extracted.

[JAMiAM]

Millafan4526 wrote...

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

immanji wrote...

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

in my farming runs if we have to pug 1 person he should get the picture when the 3 of us run to the nearest boss and we all get our selfs killed he should do the same thing... if not we die on wave 11 if he still doesnt get the picture we are kicking when we get back to the lobby.

The more i play this game the more i dont really acre for extracts except for weekend events

Put me on your ban list then. Because every-now-and-then I play random, and I never bow down. 

3 vs 1, majority rules

The only player alive rules

it's the Op's own damn fault for dying

This.  Majority rules, but dead men don't get a vote...

[Le Pwn]

onewinged20 wrote...

Stop me if I'm wrong, but I think this thread got a bit derailed.

People are arguing against intentionally wiping after getting credits on Wave 10. I hate to point out the obvious here, since all of you can apparently read, or you would have replied, but that's not what the OP is talking about.

This is about being forced to spend an absurdly long time watching one player solo the end of Wave 10. Yes, some people want to win. Yes, I understand why you would want to. That doesn't change the fact that it's inconsiderate to the three other players (not spectators) who have to wait for you to do it. If we wanted to watch someone else play, we would be on YouTube, not in a match.

 Exactly.  

[ZephyrAM]

By all means, keep gaming the system, while those of us that don't share your mindset continue playing the game as intended. After your intentional suicides, we might get mildly annoyed that you gave up, but it just gives us a chance to try harder and see if we can pull it off.

You, on the other hand, apparently get quite frustrated and bent out of shape over our continued existence. Seems that your own mindset punishes you, which works for me.


Edit: And yes, before it comes up, extracting wave 11 'is' an intended goal, and it is what measures success, or the Devs wouldn't even bother to include it. As in every game with an ending, the entire point is to 'win'.

Modifié par ZephyrAM, 22 juillet 2012 - 06:48 .

[RGFrog]

Personally, I agree that if you're the last man and everyone's dead/can't be revived, wave 10 credits have been recieved, and no one is sub lvl 20 character, then end the match.

On the other hand, if you're dead and haven't made it clear to the player(s) still playing that you don't want to complete to extraction, then you should be just as understanding and willing should those still fighting want to complete to extraction for whatever reason.

In short, the game has built in voice comms. If you're not using them you have no right to complain either way.

[Feirefiz1972]

Le Pwn wrote...

 If all your team is down after you get the money on wave 10 please be curteous enough not to waste the  lives of your teammates by spending 10 minutes trying to solo the wave.. your time might not be valuable but others is. Thank You.

What a fun attitude you have there, i guess i'd rather do a solo run then waist my time on playing with you. Whats next? Ya gonna tell me what weapon i should use?

[capn233]

Millafan4526 wrote...

and the PC community is really great with it's elitist attitudes and blaming everything on EA instead of the fact that not everyone's machine has the same specs

What are you babbling about here?

PC community is better to play with than the Xbox community, and bug problems across hardware and the poor program that is Origin (blatantly even labeled as a Beta) is EA's issue.

[ShadowyMOON]

I didn't farm Geth on firebase white and I have no intention to game the system in any other way shape or form. If you use voice comms and inform me beforehand, fine I'll do it not to hold up 3 others.

I play the game because I like the combat, not to make the optimal credits per minute of gametime.

[Omega2079]

onewinged20 wrote...

Stop me if I'm wrong, but I think this thread got a bit derailed.

People are arguing against intentionally wiping after getting credits on Wave 10. I hate to point out the obvious here, since all of you can apparently read, or you would have replied, but that's not what the OP is talking about.

This is about being forced to spend an absurdly long time watching one player solo the end of Wave 10. Yes, some people want to win. Yes, I understand why you would want to. That doesn't change the fact that it's inconsiderate to the three other players (not spectators) who have to wait for you to do it. If we wanted to watch someone else play, we would be on YouTube, not in a match.

It's equally inconsiderate to others to intentionally die. When you do this, you're going against the game's goals. With the amount I've played, and the exact amount of one time that it's even been mentioned, (which I had no problem going along since the two others agreed with the first) and how everyone always goes for extraction, I think it's safe to considder going for extraction the standard expectation.

[Krantzstone]

Omega2079 wrote...

onewinged20 wrote...

Stop me if I'm wrong, but I think this thread got a bit derailed.

People are arguing against intentionally wiping after getting credits on Wave 10. I hate to point out the obvious here, since all of you can apparently read, or you would have replied, but that's not what the OP is talking about.

This is about being forced to spend an absurdly long time watching one player solo the end of Wave 10. Yes, some people want to win. Yes, I understand why you would want to. That doesn't change the fact that it's inconsiderate to the three other players (not spectators) who have to wait for you to do it. If we wanted to watch someone else play, we would be on YouTube, not in a match.

It's equally inconsiderate to others to intentionally die. When you do this, you're going against the game's goals. With the amount I've played, and the exact amount of one time that it's even been mentioned, (which I had no problem going along since the two others agreed with the first) and how everyone always goes for extraction, I think it's safe to considder going for extraction the standard expectation.

[COLZ7R]

If its not a farming run and you die on wave 10 after the credits, enjoy the wait, level 20 on all peeps, dont promote but i will try my best to get to extraction on every match, dont like watching? Dont die.

[GodlessPaladin]

Once I saw a Krogan player try to kill one single banshee (seriously, he had no other enemies to deal with) when everyone else killed themselves on wave 10. He took longer than the entire rest of the match combined, then failed.  There was time to leave, have a meal and watch a show, and come back and watch him still kiting the SAME banshee, tossing grenades, emptying clips, et cetera, only to let it regenerate its barriers again.  It was very depressing. 

I have to wonder why someone thought they were up to Gold if they couldn't kill a single enemy in half an hour.   I have nothing against low skill players, but cmon, you'd think someone like that might recognize that they're not doing anything and go play something where they could accomplish something.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 22 juillet 2012 - 07:09 .

[KevinDiesel]

COLZ7R wrote...

If its not a farming run and you die on wave 10 after the credits, enjoy the wait, level 20 on all peeps, dont promote but i will try my best to get to extraction on every match, dont like watching? Dont die.

This.

[Mandalore313]

[SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING]

Krantzstone wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

onewinged20 wrote...

Stop me if I'm wrong, but I think this thread got a bit derailed.

People are arguing against intentionally wiping after getting credits on Wave 10. I hate to point out the obvious here, since all of you can apparently read, or you would have replied, but that's not what the OP is talking about.

This is about being forced to spend an absurdly long time watching one player solo the end of Wave 10. Yes, some people want to win. Yes, I understand why you would want to. That doesn't change the fact that it's inconsiderate to the three other players (not spectators) who have to wait for you to do it. If we wanted to watch someone else play, we would be on YouTube, not in a match.

It's equally inconsiderate to others to intentionally die. When you do this, you're going against the game's goals. With the amount I've played, and the exact amount of one time that it's even been mentioned, (which I had no problem going along since the two others agreed with the first) and how everyone always goes for extraction, I think it's safe to considder going for extraction the standard expectation.

Game goals are not my goals, i do not care what the game goals are this is why i play with other ppl with the same values as i have..


at the end of the day...dowhatever you want ur in lobby and ill do whatever i do in mine

[Arppis]

But Rambo actualy fights using his brain... these guys go in guns blazing. He just did that like once.

[Ragnakuna]

Zkyire wrote...

Le Pwn wrote...

 If all your team is down after you get the money on wave 10 please be curteous enough not to waste the  lives of your teammates by spending 10 minutes trying to solo the wave.. your time might not be valuable but others is. Thank You.

So if they don't want to finish wave 11, but X person does, this person should just go with the rest of the lazy players?

Yeah, no.

Also if your time is so valuable then what are you doing playing computer games?

Because leasure time IS valuable to folks that DO work. Not having to deal with frustrations because some kill **** wants more points to make themselves fill bigger because they have a bigger score then everyone is something no one should have to deal with if they're leveling their characters again.

[xabkish]

SeaJayX wrote...

I've never seen anyone that does last more than a minute.

If they aren't a knowledgeable enough player to know it's suicide time then they probably don't have soloing skills.

Maybe a good player was trolling you.

This

[Sacramentum]

Zii Germans wrote...

So you are saying people shouldn't try to win and should give up. Plenty of people out there want to complete the whole mission whether for the XP or just because it is part of the enjoyment they get out of the game. I say shame on you for giving up. You sound like the type of person who seems to feel like using a medi-gel is the worse thing you can do. If you are playing with friends and you all agree to not get back up, fine, but don't blame randoms you play with for wanting to win.

[xtorma]

I do it because i like to play the game.