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[Stinja]

While I agree post-wave 10 objective, and wave 11, is not rewarded with credits: this dosent mean three more minutes of your life is wasted.
Some people get enjoyment from extraction. You can say its an extension of the leisure fun. And surely not everything has to revolve around credit grinding...

If its not been per-arranged in the lobby before game start, I'd say it's more inconsiderate to die rather than trying to extract solo.

[Sekrev]

Zii Germans wrote...

So you are saying people shouldn't try to win and should give up. Plenty of people out there want to complete the whole mission whether for the XP or just because it is part of the enjoyment they get out of the game. I say shame on you for giving up. You sound like the type of person who seems to feel like using a medi-gel is the worse thing you can do. If you are playing with friends and you all agree to not get back up, fine, but don't blame randoms you play with for wanting to win.

This. I play for fun, not for credits, finishing a game to extraction is more fun, makes you feel like you actually completed the mission. I don't care if I spend all my consumables when soloing after everyone goes down, at least I'll try, and in most cases, assuming I'm playing a class that I'm good with, succeed.

[GallowsPole]

To help out, I'll die after Wave 4. This way you get credits AND time saved.

[capn233]

Perhaps. I don't **** at people for trying, even if we would have rather gotten the credits. The only reason I posted my story was because of the ending. It was strange to watch him sit there at the end. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, he got stuck there and realized he would never make it to the LZ...

There is a saying about not attributing to malice would could more easily be attributed to something else

[Omega2079]

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

Krantzstone wrote...

Omega2079 wrote...

onewinged20 wrote...

Stop me if I'm wrong, but I think this thread got a bit derailed.

People are arguing against intentionally wiping after getting credits on Wave 10. I hate to point out the obvious here, since all of you can apparently read, or you would have replied, but that's not what the OP is talking about.

This is about being forced to spend an absurdly long time watching one player solo the end of Wave 10. Yes, some people want to win. Yes, I understand why you would want to. That doesn't change the fact that it's inconsiderate to the three other players (not spectators) who have to wait for you to do it. If we wanted to watch someone else play, we would be on YouTube, not in a match.

It's equally inconsiderate to others to intentionally die. When you do this, you're going against the game's goals. With the amount I've played, and the exact amount of one time that it's even been mentioned, (which I had no problem going along since the two others agreed with the first) and how everyone always goes for extraction, I think it's safe to considder going for extraction the standard expectation.

Game goals are not my goals, i do not care what the game goals are this is why i play with other ppl with the same values as i have..


at the end of the day...dowhatever you want ur in lobby and ill do whatever i do in mine

Freedom of association, it's a wonderful thing.

[IAMREALITY]

Lmao too ****in bad. I'll try and extract every time. A game is 11 rounds long, not 10. If you don't have the time to play a full game, then don't play.

[SMichelle]

Zkyire wrote...


So if they don't want to finish wave 11, but X person does, this person should just go with the rest of the lazy players?

Yeah, no.

Also if your time is so valuable then what are you doing playing computer games?

Damn your logic!  Leave this thread!

[PRC_Heavy_Z]

This is obtuse. Why should the one player who has not made fatal mistakes and gotten him/herself killed be forced to fail due to the failures of others?

If there's one guy left on wave 10 and he/she wants to finish the wave, then she has every right to do so. Don't like the fact? Well, stop playing so terribly then.

[MystEU]

Le Pwn wrote...

during the ten minutes my money was being held hostage.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.......

ok continue

[infithehuman]

Edalborez wrote...

If the rest of the team is down, I'm not going to solo wave 10 after the credits come in.
If they're not down, I won't use medi-gel but I'm still going to try to make it to extraction. Personal satisfaction.

[immanji]

Millafan4526 wrote...

If I'm ever in a game with the op i'm gonna make sure I take as long as possible to finish wave 10

My record for keeping a nemesis alive is 20 minutes

would have been longer except I thought I had a proxy mine active

two players rage quit after less than two minutes of watching me kill an atlas with a wraith

The only other player left was the friend who I had invited

this was done more for our mutual amusement

I love you LOL 

[Kick In The Door]

xtorma wrote...

I do it because i like to play the game.

Exactly! I mean it's completely unfathomable that other players simply want to get their credits faster, thus increasing their overall productivity and getting them closer to their goals. Ultimately allowing them to have much more fun with their level X ultra rares, while the rambos toil around trying to look "cool" and "honorable". Not to mention putting the risk of disconnection to a minimum with wave 10 deaths. 

Absolutely unheard of! 

[Someone With Mass]

It's not like the operations are based on extractions or anything...

[MystEU]

Kick In The Door wrote...

xtorma wrote...

I do it because i like to play the game.

Exactly! I mean it's completely unfathomable that other players simply want to get their credits faster, thus increasing their overall productivity and getting them closer to their goals. Ultimately allowing them to have much more fun with their level X ultra rares, while the rambos toil around trying to look "cool" and "honorable". Not to mention putting the risk of disconnection to a minimum with wave 10 deaths. 

Absolutely unheard of! 

Farming credits to buy stuff to farm credits with...

It's as though we don't actually play the game for the experience and victory.

LOSING IS FASTER CREDITS, BRO.

Give me a break.

[sN00Z]

immanji wrote...

If your time is so precious, don't waste it on BSN or for that matter, playing video games. Get back to work.

This, as well as what gives you the right to dictate that your preference of not finishing the a game due to your lack  patience outweights that of an individual who is only trying to complete the game as intended? Rhetorical question, it doesn't.

[SMichelle]

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

immanji wrote...

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

in my farming runs if we have to pug 1 person he should get the picture when the 3 of us run to the nearest boss and we all get our selfs killed he should do the same thing... if not we die on wave 11 if he still doesnt get the picture we are kicking when we get back to the lobby.

The more i play this game the more i dont really acre for extracts except for weekend events

Put me on your ban list then. Because every-now-and-then I play random, and I never bow down. 

3 vs 1, majority rules

It's funny how you think ME3 is a democracy or something. 

Sorry, each player can play how they wish.  You don't like it too bad - you can boot them after the match is done. 

[oXTheReverendXo]

Kick In The Door wrote...

xtorma wrote...

I do it because i like to play the game.

Exactly! I mean it's completely unfathomable that other players simply want to get their credits faster, thus increasing their overall productivity and getting them closer to their goals. Ultimately allowing them to have much more fun with their level X ultra rares, while the rambos toil around trying to look "cool" and "honorable". Not to mention putting the risk of disconnection to a minimum with wave 10 deaths. 

Absolutely unheard of! 

What I'm reading is, "We want to farm credits so we can get better weapons, so we can farm faster to get better weapons, so we can farm even faster to get more weapons, so we can farm even fasterer..."

If all you do is farm, you're not really playing the game to win. Some of us like to win. I have absolutely no desire to "look 'cool'" or "honorable," I just want to win. To me, that means extraction. If you want to die on Wave 10, that's your choice and you can do it with your friends.

But if you pick up a random, maybe you should think about the fact that many players actually like to play the game as intended. I know it sounds shocking and all, but that's just how it goes.

[andresft]

Communication is key. Guy just keeps going at it, no visible end to it? Let him know how you feel about it. No mic? Message him.

Unless I'm asked otherwise, I will always try to survive and win wave 10. I will not use any consumables to prolong the game, I will not stand behind cover for 25 minutes, and I will do my very best to get it over with. But don't expect me to just give up on what I see as a personal challenge--and a fun one, at that. I don't willingly die unless it's decidedly evident I won't be able to make it OR if there's a reasonable chance we'll have connection problems OR if I have knowledge that my team is just going for the big bucks.

Also, don't be rude and don't make it sound imperative. People need to resist their natural inclination to be a**holes. Somebody starts to order me around, and I'll just prance around the level not killing anyone and waiting for him to get the **** out. Somebody politely suggests to me that it's OK if I die, and I'll happily let the Reapers go to town on my carcass.

Also, echoing previously expressed sentiments, ME3 is not a democracy -- if anything, it's a meritocracy. If you're good enough to be the last man standing, you're good enough to decide if you want to keep playing or not.

Modifié par andresft, 22 juillet 2012 - 07:50 .

[GreatBlueHeron]

Le Pwn wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

The Waffle Cat wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Le Pwn wrote...

 If all your team is down after you get the money on wave 10 please be curteous enough not to waste the  lives of your teammates by spending 10 minutes trying to solo the wave.. your time might not be valuable but others is. Thank You.

So if they don't want to finish wave 11, but X person does, this person should just go with the rest of the lazy players?

Yeah, no.

Also if your time is so valuable then what are you doing playing computer games?

Q-Q

wave 11 is redundant and a waste of time.

Sorry but its the truth, its only made for a false sense of being victorious above an artificial intelligence.

The entire game is a waste of time. Nothing any of us do while playing this matters in the least. It's about fun. If a person wants to finish each game fully, then nobody should be getting on their case like "Oh just die already so we can farm more credits". Want to be with likeminded people who want to die after wave 10? Private matches say hello.

 Fallacious argument.
One persons version of fun should over rule the other 3 ppl version of fun. Me and 2 other people have fun farming credits, 1 person has fun making the other 3 ppl watch him run around. 
 If there was a way to filter out people then yes that would make sense, but most people dont have mics or bother to use them and its usually FBWGG... that is basically a tacit admission to credit farming.

Private match.  Then you can have everyone agree to wipe.  You think extraction is pointless--I don't.  It's part of the game.  Not extracting is like getting extremely close to climax and then abruptly stopping.  That's no fun.

Modifié par GreatBlueHeron, 22 juillet 2012 - 07:55 .

[Siegdrifa]

SMichelle wrote...

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

immanji wrote...

SOMETHING_FOR_NOTHING wrote...

in my farming runs if we have to pug 1 person he should get the picture when the 3 of us run to the nearest boss and we all get our selfs killed he should do the same thing... if not we die on wave 11 if he still doesnt get the picture we are kicking when we get back to the lobby.

The more i play this game the more i dont really acre for extracts except for weekend events

Put me on your ban list then. Because every-now-and-then I play random, and I never bow down. 

3 vs 1, majority rules

It's funny how you think ME3 is a democracy or something. 

Sorry, each player can play how they wish.  You don't like it too bad - you can boot them after the match is done. 

Actualy ? no, they can't.
The game have rules in itself and when we bought the game we agreed to respect them.

If some players consider sucide on last wave to get credit faster, it's actualy causing a mission failed.
Doing it on purpose and force other to do so is griefing because the round is considered won when one survivor extract.
Griefing is not permited and open to sanction.

[SMichelle]

Siegdrifa wrote...


Actualy ? no, they can't.
The game have rules in itself and when we bought the game we agreed to respect them.

If some players consider sucide on last wave to get credit faster, it's actualy causing a mission failed.
Doing it on purpose and force other to do so is griefing because the round is considered won when one survivor extract.
Griefing is not permited and open to sanction.

You're misunderstanding my point.  (or perhaps I'm misunderstanding yours).

OP doesn't like when he wants to die on wave 10 and 1 last holdout wants to finish the match.  A further poster said 3 to 1 (meaning 3 people want to quit the match at wave 10 and the last person wants to play to extraction).

I'm sorry, but just because 3 people want to die at wave 10, doesn't mean the 1 person who wants to get to extraction needs to bow down to their wishes.

ME3 is not a democracy (as I said)

Modifié par SMichelle, 22 juillet 2012 - 08:10 .

[Dshinakuma]

Once the wave 10 objective is accomplished some players may not use any medi-gels or missiles because they have met their incentive, which was to get the credits as fast as possible. I'm assuming on Gold and Platinum difficulties that wave 11 has no incentive? Technically, it doesn't. 15000xp is not sufficient enough to go for an extraction. Some people would say "What's the point? I'm already level 20 and have max gear".

The only time I can see people going for extraction on Gold and Platinum is "if" there is a weekend challenge on extracting on these difficulties either it is any or a full extraction. Like the last operation the incentive was getting a commendation pack. Most people would do things if there is a nice treat waiting for them at the end.

If I wipe on wave 10 after the objective is finished on Gold or Platinum, I'd consider that a win in itself.

[Pedro Costa]

Krantzstone wrote...

I think the only good argument I've heard so far is about the risk of disconnect.

Unfortunately, BioWare really need to change it so that every wave gives X number of credits and X amount of XP, and it should save this state after every wave is completed. This includes Wave 11 (which should really give bonus credits as well as XP for successful extraction, more if it's a full extraction).

As for expecting others to suicide just because you do, well: it's one thing if you all agreed to is in the lobby beforehand, but if there was no verbal agreement in place, I don't really see how you can expect people to simply roll over and die. They may want to successfully complete the mission for some reason (eg. they're trying to show a friend how the game is won, or they're trying to impress a guy/girl), or they may simply not know/realize that people are simply credit farming and wanting to get the hell out of dodge to go collect their earnings.

And if you have a mic, you can always ask the lone survivor to suicide with you, particularly if they're already at 20. They may refuse, but it doesn't hurt to ask. You can't expect them to read your mind, and not everyone who plays, reads the BSN forums.

Another idea for BioWare to give level 20s incentive to finish the game might be to make excess XP beyond level 20 turn into credits, or if you have other classes that aren't at 20 yet, the XP goes to those classes.

This. So much this.
You, good sir or madam, are a beam of light in this thread.

[Ziegrif]

See here. YOU DIED. That means I GET TO HAVE FUN!
SO Next time don't die and maybe you can HAVE FUN TOO!

[Beerfish]

lol.

op

Dear sir, myself and my team mates are farming quitters that care only about credits and nothing about the actual object of the game even thoiugh we are elite and can easily beat any level. Please lay down and die for us.

A big F that.