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[Grub Killer8016]

Strict31 wrote...

mrs_anomaly wrote...

..but..they drew first blood!

You not expendable, Rambo...

NOTHING IS OVER!!! NOTHING!  YOU JUST DON'T TURN IT OFF!!!

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

oXTheReverendXo wrote...

ThelLastTruePatriot wrote...

Or it's dawning on more people how pointless round 11 is.

Yeah, all the cool kids farm instead of trying to actually play the game.

you play 10 rounds, get rewarded for 10 rounds, at 11 you hunker down and wait. when you've done that ad nauseum since the game came out you become more interested in unlocking fresh goodies instead of worrying about a round that doesn't matter either way even if you finish it with 4 people or 1

[Deucetipher]

Couple of exceptions, depends on the context. If everyone else suicides, sure. If they die while fighting honestly, I'm going to keep trying even if I'm the last one.

If I've had to carry all game, I want the mission successful screen. If I'm sitting at better than 120 ish K points at wave ten, I'm going to do my damnedest to finish it out, and at that point, I think I've earned it.

[Strict31]

Grub Killer8016 wrote...

Strict31 wrote...

mrs_anomaly wrote...

..but..they drew first blood!

You not expendable, Rambo...

NOTHING IS OVER!!! NOTHING!  YOU JUST DON'T TURN IT OFF!!!

Murdoch...I'm comin' for you...

[Lucius Aelius]

Seeing it through to the end is the only thing I can pretty much ever do, going down without a fight is anathema to everything I stand for, in real life and in video games. Sure if I screw it up in a video game I mainly laugh it off, but it's still screwing up not to go the whole nine yards (and pull it off), all the time, every time, no exceptions. You either do something right or don't bother doing it at all, so when I play, I play to win.

And in regards to the theorized motivations mentioned above, I always play with lv. 20 characters (I don't promote), also SP readiness means nothing to me on a day to day basis, the only thing that matters is a glorious victory (or death, either way it must be glorious, or I have failed). Lying down and letting myself die? I just don't have it in me.

[Xariann]

Le Pwn wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

The entire game is a waste of time. Nothing any of us do while playing this matters in the least. It's about fun. If a person wants to finish each game fully, then nobody should be getting on their case like "Oh just die already so we can farm more credits". Want to be with likeminded people who want to die after wave 10? Private matches say hello.

 Fallacious argument.
One persons version of fun should over rule the other 3 ppl version of fun. Me and 2 other people have fun farming credits, 1 person has fun making the other 3 ppl watch him run around. 
 If there was a way to filter out people then yes that would make sense, but most people dont have mics or bother to use them and its usually FBWGG... that is basically a tacit admission to credit farming.

If you didn't all suicide it would have taken you a couple of extra minutes to extract. The game is made to be played in 11 waves, and some people mean to play the game the way it was meant to be so the fallacious argument is yours. Like others said, if there's an agreement to die, then good, if there isn't, well just go do something else while you wait, or play with people who will agree to stop at wave 10. Don't complain because people want to play the game the way it's supposed to be played.

[Thoragoros]

This 'debate' warrants...MOAR. 

Modifié par Thoragoros, 22 juillet 2012 - 11:37 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

I must be one of the only people in this game who finds wave 11 to be the most exciting wave.

[Rickochet101]

[johnstreetmusic]

This is why the majority of games take place at firebase white...where the pros live. Every complaint comes down to one thing, everyone can play however they feel like playing.

[blacksheepD]

It's upto the remaining player. You lost your influence on the games outcome when you died (unless you're host then you could leave and force them to restart level). If they revive after the wave 10 objective is done or use rockets I shake my head in amazement but the've earned the right. If someone refuses to lose like this and makes it for the team, I'll do my damnedest to make sure they extract in 11.

[Stinja]

SMichelle wrote...

3 people want to quit

If they want to quit, well there's a button off the in-game menu to do that.  

On the PS3 it's Start button -> Quit Mission.  Right there for quitters to quit with.  Happy to help 

[Adhok42]

So you want me to cheat myself of victory just so you can get paid faster?

Dead men don't get paid son.

[DragonRacer]

Never give up, never surrender.

Was in a group with a friend and two of his friends. They all died through various amounts of stupidity or misfortune, leaving me lone survivor for Wave 10. I completed the objective and continued killing enemies, when my buddy basically ordered me to die and end the game.

I fought for a bit, but his repeated sighs made me give up and die. On purpose.

To be honest, I felt awful and dirty, even though that's what the rest of the group wanted. I COULD have soloed that and got us to extraction round. And it wouldn't have mattered to our Level 20's, but a person's got to have some pride, right? Right?

I won't be doing that again. He wants me to die and is bored, he can go do something else while I finish business or he can quit and not get any credits. It's my game, too, and Momma didn't raise a quitter, dammit!

[lexiconicle]

I enjoy watching the last man standing solo any wave, whether it's post-credit 10 or even 11, and I (attempt, usually) to do it myself, so long as I'm not just burning medi-gel in a failed attempt to show off.

Now, I can understand that there's players like OP out therew who'd frown upon it, but there's players like me out there too.

[xcrunr1647]

But when I DO finish the wave...

Then I AM Rambo.

"Covey Leader calling Raven.

Come in, Raven.

Talk to me, Johnny."

Modifié par xcrunr1647, 23 juillet 2012 - 12:11 .

[MikkOwl]

Interesting topic. Many appear to assume that their motives are the only valid & acceptable ones. Credit farming stands out as #1. Playing the game for the sake of unlocking more items & equipment, and that being that.

My own motives are different. I want to conquer the foe, conquer the location, with no casualties for myself or my team. Full extraction. Survival medals on Gold difficulty is the most fun ever. Unlocks and equipment come automatically as a result of this performance. They exist to complete my goal. This is different from "I need equipment to get equipment". What is the purpose of unlocking these items? Grinding is not my idea of fun.

Not extracting = fail.
Not completing wave 10 mission = major fail.

I'll fight as hard as I can to extract alive. I'll use up every piece of my 5/5/5/5 mission consumables, if that's what it takes.

If a credit farmer gives up after achieving the Wave 10 credits, I think that is a not so fun attitude to play with. Makes me think of times when there are people with lower level characters, playing with experienced more skilled people, only to get their team mates quit suddenly on them after getting the only thing they care about. I don't quit on them even if there is nothing to be gained for my character equipment-wise by single-handedly fighting on and conquering the mission.

EDIT: I really enjoy the moment against all odds. 1-2 players against superior foes. Get to see how they play, and see them pull off impressive feats. However, there are times when I don't enjoy it, and will even let myself get killed off: If the remaining character has an absymal ability to kill the enemies that remain. Such as having a basic shotgun without AP and useless powers, facing 2 banshees, 4 brutes, 2 ravagers, 5 marauders, or 3-4 primes. Can't kill them before their barriers/shields restore up again due to having to run away.

DragonRacer wrote...

Never give up, never surrender.

Was
in a group with a friend and two of his friends. They all died through
various amounts of stupidity or misfortune, leaving me lone survivor for
Wave 10. I completed the objective and continued killing enemies, when
my buddy basically ordered me to die and end the game.

I fought for a bit, but his repeated sighs made me give up and die. On purpose.

To
be honest, I felt awful and dirty, even though that's what the rest of
the group wanted. I COULD have soloed that and got us to extraction
round. And it wouldn't have mattered to our Level 20's, but a person's
got to have some pride, right? Right?

I won't be doing that
again. He wants me to die and is bored, he can go do something else
while I finish business or he can quit and not get any credits. It's my
game, too, and Momma didn't raise a quitter, dammit!

Nice post. We have similar views on this.

Modifié par MikkOwl, 23 juillet 2012 - 12:25 .

[mrs_anomaly]

xcrunr1647 wrote...

But when I DO finish the wave...

Then I AM Rambo.

"Covey Leader calling Raven.

Come in, Raven.

Talk to me, Johnny."

Modifié par mrs_anomaly, 23 juillet 2012 - 12:15 .

[sirjimmus86]

I used to tend to agree with OP, as its really frustrating to watch someone ineptly solo 2 banshees or something. But a few things change my mind

I usually play a few games in quick succession with little pause in between, it actually can provide a nice break.

You might learn something new by watching someone else play, I certainly 'got the hang' of the N7 shadow after watching our Rambo take down 4 Centurions in almost one sweet move with it (TC > Shadow strike > shadow strike > heavy melee beheads last two) , 4 buttons pressed, 4 enemies dead.

It might be really funny, especially if they get that Phantom/Banshee down to low health then get sync killed.

If they wanna do it, fine, good on them. Overall it adds maybe 5 minutes tops ? Is your life really that important that you can't spend 5 minutes to let someone else have fun?

[loungeshep]

I'd rather at least take as many enemies with me as possible and at least make the attempt to get the extraction. Because not extracting feels like failure.

[Conduit0]

Expecting other people to play the game the way you want them to play without communicating anything in advance is absolutely asinine to begin with. Then complaining on the BSN because they didn't play the way you wanted them to play is even more asinine.

If you want everyone to play the game a certain way, than its your responsibility to inform everyone in the lobby of that fact in advance. Failure to do so renders any complaint null and void.

[rapscallioness]

Hmm, well, maybe it's time for BW to patch it up so that you don't get credits unless you get to that extraction.

That goes for partials, too. If you're on the other side of the map when it's extraction time---you gets nothing. The other players do, but not you.

I mean, cuz technically you're dead. Whether you died, or got "left" there to die. M.I.A.? You shouldn't get credits.

You lost.

Get your azz to extraction, or you get nothing.

[Rifneno]

Yay. Nice to see the thread is still puking out self-righteous elitists saying "I play the game as it was intended" and "I play for fun, not credits."

Although I think my favorite was the girl that kept saying "ME3 isn't a democracy!" and to kick the person next round if you don't like it. So... it's not a democracy, we just vote on stuff and the majority rules. Perhaps you need to look up the word "democracy."

[Thoragoros]

sirjimmus86 wrote...

I used to tend to agree with OP, as its really frustrating to watch someone ineptly solo 2 banshees or something. But a few things change my mind

I usually play a few games in quick succession with little pause in between, it actually can provide a nice break.

You might learn something new by watching someone else play, I certainly 'got the hang' of the N7 shadow after watching our Rambo take down 4 Centurions in almost one sweet move with it (TC > Shadow strike > shadow strike > heavy melee beheads last two) , 4 buttons pressed, 4 enemies dead.

It might be really funny, especially if they get that Phantom/Banshee down to low health then get sync killed.

If they wanna do it, fine, good on them. Overall it adds maybe 5 minutes tops ? Is your life really that important that you can't spend 5 minutes to let someone else have fun?

You had me until the end.  So...it's my life or the game?