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[tonydaazntiger319]

capn233 wrote...

This thread really blew up.

FlamboyantRoy wrote...

Come now Stardusk, you mean to tell me there are actually players that are SO bad that they fail with a wall hacking, supreme weapon damage, cloaked Geth? HM highlights enemies in red, you can't miss them. Proximity mine weakens enemies and does decent damage. Coupled with the Claymore? Your chance to succeed doesn't get any higher than with the GI. Accept it.

Claymore is not in the same realm as Piranha on GI really.  The Piranha is indeed idiot proof due to the rate of fire and DPS.  My sniper hybrid GI kills Atlases in 2 clips on Platinum with the Piranha (gear and consumables on it of course).

Capn233, I just saw an xcal video with you in it using the claymore lol. Random note aside, do you think the piranha is currently the best shotgun in the game?

I understand the skepticism but I personally vouch for RedJohn. I've played with him before and he's legit. 

Modifié par tonydaazntiger319, 23 juillet 2012 - 03:37 .

[NCRZombie]

ITT: Console players don't understand the legitimate perks of playing on a PC.

[LadyAlekto]

As a note, if redjohn can easily keep up with me while having lag and a bad connection.....

This has more legitimacy than any xbawx video showing of the greatness of aim assist

[FlamboyantRoy]

ShadedPhoenix wrote...

As a note, if redjohn can easily keep up with me while having lag and a bad connection.....

This has more legitimacy than any xbawx video showing of the greatness of aim assist

Because zooming in on swarmers and that Geth Trooper while the hunter is closing in ALWAYS helps. 

[Stardusk]

FlamboyantRoy wrote...

Sp3c7eR wrote...

FlamboyantRoy wrote...

It hasn't been proven that he's lied before so now all of a sudden he starts lying...

It's only my opinion and I can't prove he's lying either. 

Exactly. Nobody really knows yet. I understand your doubts. But multiple people that's played with him vouch for the guy. He hasn't been banned for cheating in about 3 months. So there's that. 

I think the method suggested earlier's your best bet at finding the truth. Have John host and bring another player along to die and record the match. 

I would be willing to do that.

[Hoz_Hun]

Congratulation!
N7 Shadow is my favorite since Earth come out. Too bad I suck with it hard. Every other Shadow is better than me... but I keep practice.

[zerozen00]

Pfft, no need to verify. RedJohn is legit.
And John, congrats. Nice job, as always.

/zen

[Stardusk]

zerozen00 wrote...

Pfft, no need to verify. RedJohn is legit.
And John, congrats. Nice job, as always.

/zen

LOL. He is legit because you say no need to verify? The only issue here is making dubious claims about times and classes that cannot complete those times. I would like to see a Destroyer solo from John very soon. This could verify a lot or failsify the claims he makes. 

The Shadow is NOT a high DPS class so completing Platinum with those times is a ridculous claim and the convenient excuse is, I cannot play with anyone else so I solo all the time but because my computer is old I can't record it. It does not matter if RedJohn is the best at survival, you need to kill things fast on Platinum and 1. the Shadow cannot do that and 2. RedJohn himself does not claim to be the best at killing things.

[Lexa_D]

RedJohn wrote...
If someone join me I will lag and most of the times lose connection 

Sorry, does not sound credible enough. Would consider video by observer the best way out. Could screw up the Download and Escort objectives though - in that case best it be duration-built Infiltrator with high shields camping there and kicking it immediately after.

Modifié par Lexa_D, 23 juillet 2012 - 12:34 .

[tonnactus]

Stardusk wrote...


The Shadow is NOT a high DPS class so completing Platinum with those times is a ridculous claim and the convenient excuse is, I cannot play with anyone else so I solo all the time but because my computer is old I can't record it.

(dont want to discuss if the video is legit or not)
Not? Weapon dsp isnt superior to powers like electric slash and smash, that do nearly as much damage as a claymore shot and could hit multiple enemies in addition to a nearly not existent cooldown. Claiming that the Shadow lacks damage output is ridicoulus expecially considering electric slash has a evolution  that increase the damage of tech burst by 100 percent(electric slash after shadow strike).

 
At least its easily enough to outscore a destroyer with a typhoon with a cerberus vanguard spamming biotic smash.

Modifié par tonnactus, 23 juillet 2012 - 12:40 .

[Stardusk]

tonnactus wrote...

Stardusk wrote...


The Shadow is NOT a high DPS class so completing Platinum with those times is a ridculous claim and the convenient excuse is, I cannot play with anyone else so I solo all the time but because my computer is old I can't record it.

Not? Weapon dsp isnt superior to powers like electric slash and smash, that do nearly as much damage as a claymore shot and could hit multiple enemies in addition to a nearly not existent cooldown. Claiming that the shadow lacks damage output is ridicoulus expecially considering electric slash has a evolution  that increase the damage of tech burst by 100 percent(electric slash after shadow strike).

 

LOL. A Destroyer with a Piranha or a GI or T.Soldier will out DPS a power like Slash any day. You can mow down an Atlas in seconds, even on Platinum, Slash will not do that. These are simply facts. Weapon based classes with powerful weapons will always outstrip a Shadow.

[tonnactus]

Stardusk wrote...



LOL. A Destroyer with a Piranha or a GI or T.Soldier will out DPS a power like Slash any day. You can mow down an Atlas in seconds,

A power spammer not only mow down an atlas in a short time but also the other enemies near him that the destroyer still has to kill after "mowing" down the mech.Or damaging also second  theatlas in the same gangway.
And those powers even ignore walls and cover.

Even the justicar can out dps a destroyer:

Modifié par tonnactus, 23 juillet 2012 - 12:51 .

[Stardusk]

tonnactus wrote...

Stardusk wrote...



LOL. A Destroyer with a Piranha or a GI or T.Soldier will out DPS a power like Slash any day. You can mow down an Atlas in seconds,

A power spammer not only mow down an atlas in a short time but also the other enemies near him that the destroyer still has to kill after "mowing" down the mech.
And those powers even ignore walls and cover.

You are specifically talking about the Shadow. It cannot compete with weapons based classes. Not in terms of DPS. Every good, experienced player knows this.

[FlamboyantRoy]

tonnactus wrote...

Stardusk wrote...



LOL. A Destroyer with a Piranha or a GI or T.Soldier will out DPS a power like Slash any day. You can mow down an Atlas in seconds,

A power spammer not only mow down an atlas in a short time but also the other enemies near him that the destroyer still has to kill after "mowing" down the mech.
And those powers even ignore walls and cover.

Damage Per Second. I believe he's trying to tell  you in that time you're portin' around like Nightcrawler the other high damage classes have already killed or almost killed the target. 

As far as spamming electric slash(as long as you animation cancel), you could have an argument against the GI. But the Destroyer with multi frags and Piranha/AR will still wipe the floor in terms of pure dps with the Shadow. 

Modifié par FlamboyantRoy, 23 juillet 2012 - 12:48 .

[tonnactus]

FlamboyantRoy wrote...



As far as spamming electric slash(as long as you animation cancel), you could have an argument against the GI. But the Destroyer with multi frags and Piranha/AR will still wipe the floor in terms of pure dps with the Shadow. 

See the vid i added. 
A justicar beat two soldiers...(the human doesnt have that low dps either...)
One soldier had a claymore,the  other use the harrier.
The point is just this: Most weapons only damage one enemy. Powers could damage multiple ones in the same time. So a power spammer like the cerberus vanguard could outdps weapon classes easily,at least in small maps.
Simple facts...
 

Modifié par tonnactus, 23 juillet 2012 - 01:03 .

[valium]

how do you work around enemies being able to still attack you through cloak when using shadow strike?

[landylan]

If it was me, I would've been instakilled and melee by phantoms during shadow strike. Good job though.

[Koenig888]

I've played with RedJohn before and can attest that he is good. I can also attest to his bad connection as he DC in wave 9 or 10. I'm inclined to believe the video is legit.

[FlamboyantRoy]

tonnactus wrote...

FlamboyantRoy wrote...



As far as spamming electric slash(as long as you animation cancel), you could have an argument against the GI. But the Destroyer with multi frags and Piranha/AR will still wipe the floor in terms of pure dps with the Shadow. 

See the vid i added. 
A justicar beat two soldiers...(the human doesnt have that low dps either...)

GI's still on top, as I thought.

Score was reasonably close. Though you're right, Justicar beat the Destroyer. I'm willing to bet it's an isolated incident. But I'll see for myself a bit later. But it's honestly not that surprising. If anyone can go head to head with the destroyer it's her. She's a monster.

Edit: Yeah you're right, on small maps they definitely have an advantage. As do weapon users on large maps. But overrall? The Destroyer and Demolisher have essentially taken over in terms of dps, damage. 

Edit: And as someone reminded me below(no coffee yet), damage doesn't completely make up score. You have to factor quite a few other things in as well.

Modifié par FlamboyantRoy, 23 juillet 2012 - 01:13 .

[FlamboyantRoy]

Air Quotes wrote...

Let's ANALYZE Red's Shadow build and see what tactics he might've used shall we? Because I'm THAT ANAL!

So this is the build RedJohn used - he shows it at the end of the video:

http://narida.pytalh...45JEGIK`9@0AA@@

Lets see here:

Tactical Cloak - pure damage, means he only gets 5.2 seconds of it and less survivability and utility. NO Bonus Power! That means he looses on survivability and utility of changing postition fast, because he decloaks after EVERY Shadow Strike.

Electric Slash - Pure damage again. NO detonation talent. This means his tech combos are standard.

Shadow Strike - again pure damage, no 40% DR and no Shield Drain. Survivability = 0

N7 Shadow - boosts for power

Sword Mastery - Sword upgrades, but no ARMOR Damage!

Weapons - Piranha X with damage and melee (no smart choke to make it more accurate)

Gear - power boosts. No Adrenaline module to help get away or Cyclonic to help to soak up a few shots.



So we gow ourselfves a Shadow with a close range weapon with 0 survivability or utility that declaoks after EVERY Shadow Strike, has poor CC with no AOE Slash on a Vancouver map that is pretty open on PLATINUm full of heavy hitter bosses.

Now how would I play this build, not dieevery 30 seconds (than he does BTW at extaction - 2 deaths and 2 Ops packs in 1 minute) and still have 3 medigel 3 Ops packs and 3 rockets at extraction? in 40 minutes? Hmm, well I really don't no. This is a wet paper build with absolutely nothing to help survivability. And on top of that she's single target. As we can see from the video - he still can't one shot Phantoms or even Hunters. Everytime you attack a Ravager - he craps itself, everytime you attack a Brute - you'll get pounded, because there's no teammates to help draw their attention. Same for Primes, Atlases, Banshees.

Now remember - he HAS to stay close, because Piranha is not an accurate weapon by any means and he doesn't even have a smart choke on it. So would take down an Atlas fast?

Shadow Strike from the back, decloak, Electric Slash? With no Detonation talent. Then unload Piranha with no weapon talents. It'll take about 3 clips to take down 1 Atlas. While pretty much standing in the open. And his cloak is only 5.2 seconds. He can't get very far without decloaking.


So I call BULL**** on this Solo and his Batarian 19 minute solo Gold Geth with all consumables left at extraction. 


PS. Alekto - you're an awesome player and I know that, but let's face it. Even with your Rossie GI you would not clear Platinum in 40 minutes. And with consumables left. 

Ah! You have issues with control? Psych Major here!

[sy7ar]

tonnactus wrote...

Stardusk wrote...



LOL. A Destroyer with a Piranha or a GI or T.Soldier will out DPS a power like Slash any day. You can mow down an Atlas in seconds,

A power spammer not only mow down an atlas in a short time but also the other enemies near him that the destroyer still has to kill after "mowing" down the mech.Or damaging also second  theatlas in the same gangway.
And those powers even ignore walls and cover.

Even the justicar can out dps a destroyer:

New class, player skill, etc. and since when higher score means higher DPS?
I outscore GIs with my drellguard from time to time, drellguard must has higher DPS than the GI sounds about right. 

[tonnactus]

FlamboyantRoy wrote...

Score was reasonably close. Though you're right, Justicar beat the Destroyer. I'm willing to bet it's an isolated incident. But I'll see for myself a bit later. But it's honestly not that surprising. If anyone can go head to head with the destroyer it's her. She's a monster.

Reave isnt that damaging and she doesnt have things like tactical cloak,adrenaline rush or devastator mode that nearly double weapon damage. A cerberus vanguard has an attack that deal like 1500 damage to multiple enemies every 1,5 seconds. Electric slash isnt that strong,but come close to that.
Those classes should at least be as good as the justicar.

[Stardusk]

sy7ar wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

Stardusk wrote...



LOL. A Destroyer with a Piranha or a GI or T.Soldier will out DPS a power like Slash any day. You can mow down an Atlas in seconds,

A power spammer not only mow down an atlas in a short time but also the other enemies near him that the destroyer still has to kill after "mowing" down the mech.Or damaging also second  theatlas in the same gangway.
And those powers even ignore walls and cover.

Even the justicar can out dps a destroyer:

New class, player skill, etc. and since when higher score means higher DPS?
I outscore GIs with my drellguard from time to time, drellguard must has higher DPS than the GI sounds about right. 

lol

[Leisure Muffin]

RedJohn wrote...


Sometimes Phantoms can die from 1 hit, I don't know yet in what this depends on because most of the time I need 1 shadow strike from cloak and then shot, but other times they just died from 1 single shadow strike.

Really?  You see, because on gold that's over 4000 points of damage.  Not sure what it is on platinum.  This really makes me question the authenticity of this video.  Your shadow strike was at 1800 without the bonuses.  All I'm saying is that I've never seen an SS OSOK a phantom.  I could be wrong.  I'm not trying to be a dick, it just comes out that way naturally. :happy: