New class, player skill, etc. and since when higher score means higher DPS?
The majority of points comes from kills, assists give lower points. Also, the destroyer isnt exactly a class where you have to learn much. Put on the damage mode,point and shoot. Everyone who played regularly as a soldier before shouldnt have any disadvantages.
I outscore GIs with my drellguard from time to time, drellguard must has higher DPS than the GI sounds about right.
Of course, because reave plus cluster grenades are able to clear whole enemy spawns in seconds. The drell adept is equal,especially with the new grenade gear now.
People like RedJohn that blow over 50m when every DLC comes out get flagged by the system and are checked by Bioware employees, that was said by one of the very bioware employees when I raised that point and he pretty much said RedJohn has come clean on every test.
Second I have played with him a couple of times, and he is very good, but that doesn't mean he doesn't fail, he never said he soloed platinum with the shadow on the first try.
If anything it could be that the lag on his PC (he being used to it) helps him when doing solos, but that is at best speculation as he is quite awesome even when I host (we live in the same country so the ping isn't terrible, just a tad bad)... (256k sucks no matter your PC).
People like RedJohn that blow over 50m when every DLC comes out get flagged by the system and are checked by Bioware employees, that was said by one of the very bioware employees when I raised that point and he pretty much said RedJohn has come clean on every test.
Second I have played with him a couple of times, and he is very good, but that doesn't mean he doesn't fail, he never said he soloed platinum with the shadow on the first try.
If anything it could be that the lag on his PC (he being used to it) helps him when doing solos, but that is at best speculation as he is quite awesome even when I host (we live in the same country so the ping isn't terrible, just a tad bad)... (256k sucks no matter your PC).
Can't BW check his recent match history and see if he's legit?
People like RedJohn that blow over 50m when every DLC comes out get flagged by the system and are checked by Bioware employees, that was said by one of the very bioware employees when I raised that point and he pretty much said RedJohn has come clean on every test.
Second I have played with him a couple of times, and he is very good, but that doesn't mean he doesn't fail, he never said he soloed platinum with the shadow on the first try.
If anything it could be that the lag on his PC (he being used to it) helps him when doing solos, but that is at best speculation as he is quite awesome even when I host (we live in the same country so the ping isn't terrible, just a tad bad)... (256k sucks no matter your PC).
Can't BW check his recent match history and see if he's legit?
The stuff he does, pretty much miracles. Specter cannot do that and he is better player by leagues. Look at the build. Something is fishy, it should be obvious.
Sometimes Phantoms can die from 1 hit, I don't know yet in what this depends on because most of the time I need 1 shadow strike from cloak and then shot, but other times they just died from 1 single shadow strike.
Really? You see, because on gold that's over 4000 points of damage. Not sure what it is on platinum. This really makes me question the authenticity of this video. Your shadow strike was at 1800 without the bonuses. All I'm saying is that I've never seen an SS OSOK a phantom. I could be wrong. I'm not trying to be a dick, it just comes out that way naturally.
On gold if you pick all evolution for shadow strike, yes you can OHK a fantom. Since SS is affected by power, may be he can do on platinium.
Its no the point, complete with plenty equipement under 40 minutesn that's crazy
He did a build focused in electric slash and tech burst?
I don't know how he did it, but in paper it could be powerful enough.
No AOE electric slash with no detonation talent. With Shadows 2.5 second animation to cast it and tendency to go forward while doing it, exposing you out of cover. Right.
I can't wait until a full RedJohn match gets recorded and he shows the self-appointed elite meta-gamers in this thread how to play this game.
Review his videos and consider his builds. Watch him mitigate damage against the Geth with his Batarian through clever use of stun and repositioning. In the Shadow video, his bout with the Hunters is particularly revealing. Up until his mistake targeting the Banshee with SS instead of a Hunter, he dodges every Hunter shot at point blank, by simply moving at the appropriate times in the appropriate manner. In all his short, imperfect clips of this game, his movement, situational awareness, knowledge of the AI's behavior, and especially his choices of engagements all speak to his experience and skill as a player. His style is of survival and attrition, and he's damn good at it. That's how you do well running solo. What use are DPS charts when you can kill everything with a peashooter if you mitigate all damage?
If you can't infer all this from his videos, that's unfortunate, but I'll still maintain that careful study finds him to be an excellent, grade-S player who plays to his strengths and not silly, unwarranted assumptions as to how to play a goddamn video game. There's every reason to trust the legitimacy of his runs based on what little we've seen, if that's really important to you, and no reasonable ground for calling him a fraud. Just because you can't conceive of something being possible certainly doesn't make it so, even if it's impossible for you.
People like RedJohn that blow over 50m when every DLC comes out get flagged by the system and are checked by Bioware employees, that was said by one of the very bioware employees when I raised that point and he pretty much said RedJohn has come clean on every test.
Second I have played with him a couple of times, and he is very good, but that doesn't mean he doesn't fail, he never said he soloed platinum with the shadow on the first try.
If anything it could be that the lag on his PC (he being used to it) helps him when doing solos, but that is at best speculation as he is quite awesome even when I host (we live in the same country so the ping isn't terrible, just a tad bad)... (256k sucks no matter your PC).
Can't BW check his recent match history and see if he's legit?
The stuff he does, pretty much miracles. Specter cannot do that and he is better player by leagues. Look at the build. Something is fishy, it should be obvious.
Yeah, something is fishy. However I'm not making up my mind until I see proof as each side has valid arguments.
But if I absolutely had to make a decision, I'd lean towards him doing it. As I have no idea why he'd lie about this. What's in it for him? Fanboys? He has those. Money? Nope. Ego? Based on his past 'achievements', he doesn't have much to gain here. I don't suppose he's a compulsive liar but anything's possible. We would need a proper motive to really help put this all together.
Modifié par FlamboyantRoy, 23 juillet 2012 - 01:53 .
Sometimes Phantoms can die from 1 hit, I don't know yet in what this depends on because most of the time I need 1 shadow strike from cloak and then shot, but other times they just died from 1 single shadow strike.
Really? You see, because on gold that's over 4000 points of damage. Not sure what it is on platinum. This really makes me question the authenticity of this video. Your shadow strike was at 1800 without the bonuses. All I'm saying is that I've never seen an SS OSOK a phantom. I could be wrong. I'm not trying to be a dick, it just comes out that way naturally. :happy:
I've mostly been playing the Shadow since the DLC came out and I can affirm that Phantoms can't die in one direct SS (if fully shielded) on GOLD, let alone Platinum. Usually it's the DoT effect that finishes them off if you have SS specced for full damage. I've tried OHOK'ing with the Passive as well.
Is there any way to filter Stardusk messages from forums, and only leave his builds (for comparasion purposes) ?
Biotics suck on platinum bla-bla-bla, krysae needs nerfing bla-bla-bla, this videos are cheating bla-bla-bla.
Also lets think about one point - you think he is a cheater ? Just ****ing REPORT it and STOP WHINING.
I would gladly follow an advice someone is typing right now (yes sir, I mean YOU) about moving on and not reading, but this whining is literally everywhere. Guess I'm gonna start breaking rules about offence on BSN soon.
This thread is absolutely priceless. Some people take e-fame and reputation waaaayyy too seriously to the point of reaching pathetic levels here. Never a dull moment.
Modifié par L.ast L.ife, 23 juillet 2012 - 01:49 .
Tactical Cloak - pure damage, means he only gets 5.2 seconds of it and less survivability and utility. NO Bonus Power! That means he looses on survivability and utility of changing postition fast, because he decloaks after EVERY Shadow Strike.
Electric Slash - Pure damage again. NO detonation talent. This means his tech combos are standard.
Shadow Strike - again pure damage, no 40% DR and no Shield Drain. Survivability = 0
N7 Shadow - boosts for power
Sword Mastery - Sword upgrades, but no ARMOR Damage!
Weapons - Piranha X with damage and melee (no smart choke to make it more accurate)
Gear - power boosts. No Adrenaline module to help get away or Cyclonic to help to soak up a few shots.
So we gow ourselfves a Shadow with a close range weapon with 0 survivability or utility that declaoks after EVERY Shadow Strike, has poor CC with no AOE Slash on a Vancouver map that is pretty open on PLATINUm full of heavy hitter bosses.
Now how would I play this build, not dieevery 30 seconds (than he does BTW at extaction - 2 deaths and 2 Ops packs in 1 minute) and still have 3 medigel 3 Ops packs and 3 rockets at extraction? in 40 minutes? Hmm, well I really don't no. This is a wet paper build with absolutely nothing to help survivability. And on top of that she's single target. As we can see from the video - he still can't one shot Phantoms or even Hunters. Everytime you attack a Ravager - he craps itself, everytime you attack a Brute - you'll get pounded, because there's no teammates to help draw their attention. Same for Primes, Atlases, Banshees.
Now remember - he HAS to stay close, because Piranha is not an accurate weapon by any means and he doesn't even have a smart choke on it. So would take down an Atlas fast?
Shadow Strike from the back, decloak, Electric Slash? With no Detonation talent. Then unload Piranha with no weapon talents. It'll take about 3 clips to take down 1 Atlas. While pretty much standing in the open. And his cloak is only 5.2 seconds. He can't get very far without decloaking.
So I call BULL**** on this Solo and his Batarian 19 minute solo Gold Geth with all consumables left at extraction.
PS. Alekto - you're an awesome player and I know that, but let's face it. Even with your Rossie GI you would not clear Platinum in 40 minutes. And with consumables left.
Ah! You have issues with control? Psych Major here!
Lol
Flame sword doesn't help shadow strike.
His build sounds pretty risky but with a ton of damage, per attack.
I would shadow strike the small targets first to gain the bonus on melee than do a strike+shotgun on the strong targets.
If he stays on the move and picks the enemies that stray of the groups aka the big balls of death, he will be safe as his target will most likely die.
If mental focuser also makes shadow strike stronger then anything and everything save the atlas/banshees will be dead in a single cloak cycle (even primes)
Do the math.
Because we are talking about a ****ton of damage per cycle.
2000 (80+50+40+30%) And then the shotgun (80%) (my numbers are off, but not is not that far )
Why don't some of you "elite" players who question his claims take his build and try it. Record your play and we'll judge whether or not you are indeed the "leet" you think you are and have something to judge Red John's accomplishments by.
I'm a Shadow noooob.
Modifié par Grumpy Old Wizard, 23 juillet 2012 - 01:56 .
Also, if you want to post the build, please post it in its entirety ; here's the actual build (and don't forget to add the weapon mods by yourself : shotgun barrel V + blade attachment V).
This thread is absolutely priceless. Some people take e-fame and reputation waaaayyy too seriously to the point of reaching pathetic levels here. Never a dull moment.
I can't wait for tomorrow's episode!
Will Stardusk beat up Redjohn irl?
Will Air Quotes work on his anal issues?
Will Redjohn leave his house?
TUNE IN TOMORROW FOR ANSWERS!!
Modifié par Kick In The Door, 23 juillet 2012 - 02:01 .
Why would they do that? To calm the forum nerds that for the love of god can't see anything other than overpowered classes beating platinum?
You just said in previous post that you did exactly that and bioware told you it's all good. Bullshιt much?
What I see here are ignorant people talking about things and "believing" in something. There's no proof that his runs are legit yet people claim that he's done it before. His connection - conveniently enough - doesn't allow him to play with others, yet those others appeared up here and commented on his great playstyle - even though he should be terrible because of his connectivity.
My friends list consists of people who are great players, and by that I mean players that will not wipe on platinum unless they want to. We've made world records in speedruns that require the most optimal builds, our outmost skills and perfect cooperation. Then le wild redjohn appears and does what a four man team did in 6 more minutes with a build that needs 1 minute to kill a single prime - all without using any consumables.
Get the fυck outa here.
I'm just astonished to see how people easily believe this crap.
Modifié par Mandalore313, 23 juillet 2012 - 02:06 .
tonnactus wrote... Not? Weapon dsp isnt superior to powers like electric slash and smash, that do nearly as much damage as a claymore shot and could hit multiple enemies in addition to a nearly not existent cooldown. Claiming that the Shadow lacks damage output is ridicoulus expecially considering electric slash has a evolution that increase the damage of tech burst by 100 percent(electric slash after shadow strike).
At least its easily enough to outscore a destroyer with a typhoon with a cerberus vanguard spamming biotic smash. .....
Even the justicar can out dps a destroyer:
1. electric slash after shadow strike: really?! in team might work, but alone(solo) will not work. You will be down before you even launch the ES after SS(unless you have a single target).
2. outscore doesn't always equal DPS. Do you really think n7 shadow or justicar can take down an atlas quicker than a destroyer with pirana or typhoon?! If so, then try it yourself and post a video proof(without team) or show a math proof.....
3. on platinum the scoreboard doesn't matter at all. When i play as n7 shadow on FBW with destroyers on my team, i normally get 1st or second place on the scoreboard because: - i keep cloaking and spamming ES from behind cover - the destroyers are always busy with bosses So does it mean: - i have greater DPS than the destroyers: NO - i am better than the destroyers: NO - is it easier to play the n7 shadow with destroyers, demolishers and salarian engineers than justicars(adepts): YES
This doesn't mean i don't like adepts(biotics), but one adept on the team(except cerberus adept and fury) is pretty much useless compared to 2 or 3 of them.
Of course, because reave plus cluster grenades are able to clear whole enemy spawns in seconds. The drell adept is equal,especially with the new grenade gear now.
OT, but I thought that the Drellguard has only Charge, Pull and Cluster nades?
Of course, because reave plus cluster grenades are able to clear whole enemy spawns in seconds. The drell adept is equal,especially with the new grenade gear now.
OT, but I thought that the Drellguard has only Charge, Pull and Cluster nades?
Why would they do that? To calm the forum nerds that for the love of god can't see anything other than overpowered classes beating platinum?
You just said in previous post that you did exactly that and bioware told you it's all good. Bullshιt much?
What I see here are ignorant people talking about things and "believing" in something. There's no proof that his runs are legit yet people claim that he's done it before. His connection - conveniently enough - doesn't allow him to play with others, yet those others appeared up here and commented on his great playstyle - even though he should be terrible because of his connectivity.
My friends list consists of people who are great players, and by that I mean players that will not wipe on platinum unless they want to. We've made world records in speedruns that require the most optimal builds, our outmost skills and perfect cooperation. Then le wild redjohn appears and does what a four man team did in 6 more minutes with a build that needs 1 minute to kill a single prime - all without using any consumables.
Get the fυck outa here.
I'm just astonished to see how people easily believe this crap.
Oy! You must be patient Mandalore-san
He who knows without knowledge is he who makes fool of himself!
This thread is absolutely priceless. Some people take e-fame and reputation waaaayyy too seriously to the point of reaching pathetic levels here. Never a dull moment.
I can't wait for tomorrow's episode!
Will Stardusk beat up Redjohn irl?
Will Air Quotes work on his anal issues?
Will Redjohn leave his house?
TUNE IN TOMORROW FOR ANSWERS!!
SWANK.
Everyday BSN effortlessly inches closer to resembling a terrible live action DBZ arc that will never end. I'm still waiting for Stardusk and Air Quotes to fuse into AirDusk before RedJohn attains the legendary SGP4 (SuperGoldPro) state so they can spend the next 10 pages trading blows via Plat Solo vids, bro.
This thread is absolutely priceless. Some people take e-fame and reputation waaaayyy too seriously to the point of reaching pathetic levels here. Never a dull moment.
I can't wait for tomorrow's episode!
Will Stardusk beat up Redjohn irl?
Will Air Quotes work on his anal issues?
Will Redjohn leave his house?
TUNE IN TOMORROW FOR ANSWERS!!
LOL...this made my morning.....thanks.
PS: Keep up the good work RedJohn....ignore the haters!!
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