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[spirosz]

Naughty Bear wrote...

android654 wrote...

It's a crime to report the names of suspects on trial in the UK?

Human rights.

What human ****ing rights? 

[TJPags]

Daennikus wrote...

It's only fairness that she'd try to ruin their lives after what they did to her.

...I don't want to play the devil's advocate however, but reading about the circumstances of the assault, I'll say she could have used more precaution (like, not passing out drunk at a party).

Hate to jump on you, here, but you're the second person (the OP was the first) to make a comment like this.

I don't care if she did pass out at a party.  It's no excuse for what happened.  While I understand (I hope) that you're not putting blame on her, and simply saying she should have been more careful, it's still a dangerous comment to make.  This was in no way her fault.

[Joy Divison]

spiros9110 wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

android654 wrote...

It's a crime to report the names of suspects on trial in the UK?

Human rights.

What human ****ing rights? 

The rights of the accused.

I don't agree that rapists, child-molesters, or murders deserve the same fundamental rights as law-abiding and decent folk, I'm just answering your question.

[Gotholhorakh]

Meh, I despise emotive and uninformed responses to court cases.

If nobody has any idea what happened in court and what the details of the court case were, nobody has any sane grounds on which to be disgusted.

None of us has any bloody idea.

No pitch-fork or torch here, sorry.

Much as a rolled-up copy of the Daily Mail (whose strap line probably should actually be "Emotive and Uninformed responses to stuff") would make an excellent torch.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 22 juillet 2012 - 09:02 .

[LPPrince]

TJPags wrote...

Daennikus wrote...

It's only fairness that she'd try to ruin their lives after what they did to her.

...I don't want to play the devil's advocate however, but reading about the circumstances of the assault, I'll say she could have used more precaution (like, not passing out drunk at a party).

Hate to jump on you, here, but you're the second person (the OP was the first) to make a comment like this.

I don't care if she did pass out at a party.  It's no excuse for what happened.  While I understand (I hope) that you're not putting blame on her, and simply saying she should have been more careful, it's still a dangerous comment to make.  This was in no way her fault.

I'm sure Daennikus wasn't saying that it was her fault. What he was saying is that she made a mistake.

She made the mistake of getting drunk at a party(overly so) and passing out. Thats all it was- a mistake.

Doesn't mean she was asking for it or that it was her fault. She just made a mistake and two boys took advantage of it.

The silver lining is that she's now much less likely to make this mistake again. She may even stop someone else from making that mistake.

As for what happened though, yikes. I don't blame her whatsoever for sharing their names. I think the fine is worth it. I just hope she isn't jailed.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Well now that their names are out, hopefully someone tracks them down and visits true justice upon them.

[Daennikus]

TJPags wrote...

Daennikus wrote...

It's only fairness that she'd try to ruin their lives after what they did to her.

...I don't want to play the devil's advocate however, but reading about the circumstances of the assault, I'll say she could have used more precaution (like, not passing out drunk at a party).

Hate to jump on you, here, but you're the second person (the OP was the first) to make a comment like this.

I don't care if she did pass out at a party.  It's no excuse for what happened.  While I understand (I hope) that you're not putting blame on her, and simply saying she should have been more careful, it's still a dangerous comment to make.  This was in no way her fault.

I'm not that kind of douchebag. But unfortunately the responsibility lies with the parents: educate the kids to respect boundaries, educate your kids that alcohol leads to stupid and dangerous behavior. We live in a messed up society and while excess and accidents happen, there are some mistakes that can lead to tragedies like this.

I really hope that, beyond the scandal of seeing the perps turned into victims, the public would realize that crap like this can be avoided. If fingers should be pointed I would blame the parents of either parties.

[TJPags]

LPPrince wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Daennikus wrote...

It's only fairness that she'd try to ruin their lives after what they did to her.

...I don't want to play the devil's advocate however, but reading about the circumstances of the assault, I'll say she could have used more precaution (like, not passing out drunk at a party).

Hate to jump on you, here, but you're the second person (the OP was the first) to make a comment like this.

I don't care if she did pass out at a party.  It's no excuse for what happened.  While I understand (I hope) that you're not putting blame on her, and simply saying she should have been more careful, it's still a dangerous comment to make.  This was in no way her fault.

I'm sure Daennikus wasn't saying that it was her fault. What he was saying is that she made a mistake.

She made the mistake of getting drunk at a party(overly so) and passing out. Thats all it was- a mistake.

Doesn't mean she was asking for it or that it was her fault. She just made a mistake and two boys took advantage of it.

The silver lining is that she's now much less likely to make this mistake again. She may even stop someone else from making that mistake.

As for what happened though, yikes. I don't blame her whatsoever for sharing their names. I think the fine is worth it. I just hope she isn't jailed.

I agree, and was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.  It's just that it's easy to go from "women should be careful" to "well, why was she there in the first place" to something like "well, what did she expect would happen".  All of which are dangerous and wrong thoughts.

[Neo DrKefka]

Here in IL the heart of the Democratic Party where minorities and women have more rights then a straight white man a couple years back a female accused a group of teenage white boys of gang raping her.

Needless to say the state went on the wire to convict them everyone was convinced these boys were guilty and wanted to see that they went to jail even the media was going after these boys.

Everyone plead guilty but one because he knew it was B.S even though everyone was against him and he had a tape proving it. Of course in Illinois it doesn't matter if you have a tape your a man and somehow doctored it like those posters on walls all over Chicago that Bush made everything in Chicago go wrong even people cheating on tests!

Rod Blagojevich the guy who whenever I told people stories about him to people out side of this state they claimed I was crazy and a troll and making up stuff until of course him selling Obama's seat made national headlines. But in this case Blagojevich wanted to quickly make a law so the rape video could not be watched. All the media outlets was condemning the Judge for considering to show this video.

Well the jury got to see the video and go figure the girl one night decided to take on three guys willingly in the tape and must of felt like a **** the next day and reported them.

http://www.foxnews.c...,186456,00.html

Good thing about the case the kid walked because everyone who saw the video looked at her like she was a liar at that point. The bad part is the guy who plead guilty screwed up and since one guy made the video he was charged with cp though it helped everyone else it seemed.

One of the other guys was a European knowing he was screwed fled to Europe only returning when the juries saw the video and released the two defendants. However when he returned the state wanted to make an example of him and they convicted him of assault, not sexual assault because the DA was pissed and of course jumping bail so he went to jail for five years.

http://articles.chic...ild-pornography

Moral of the story is let these men have justice and don't believe a woman screaming rape many have suffered by vile women who use the word rape when scorned. Let's not forget what happened at Rosewood which is a horrible tale and let's not forget the Duke Case.

Modifié par Neo DrKefka, 22 juillet 2012 - 09:16 .

[slimgrin]

It's poetic justice really. they share pics of the assault with freinds. She shares their names and misdeed with the world. I like it.

[Fishy]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Well now that their names are out, hopefully someone tracks them down and visits true justice upon them.

If someone do this .. They don`t deserve any more sympathy than the rapist. If we lived in a society where everyone did their own 'justice' .. That would be chaos and anarchy.

[Fishy]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Suprez30 wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Well now that their names are out, hopefully someone tracks them down and visits true justice upon them.

If someone do this .. They don`t deserve any more sympathy than the rapist. If we lived in a society where everyone did their own 'justice' .. That would be chaos and anarchy.

Justice is hardly ever served. Just saying.

That why justice need to be impartial.

[android654]

Some people here are f*cking clowns.

[CroGamer002]

So, it's OK to show victims name in public but not OK to show criminals names to public?

Nice logic.

[legion999]

Mesina2 wrote...

So, it's OK to show victims name in public but not OK to show criminals names to public?

Nice logic.

Well obviously it's because the criminals are the victims here.

[Volus Warlord]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

So, it's OK to show victims name in public but not OK to show criminals names to public?

Nice logic.

Well obviously it's because the criminals are the victims here.

Well, just imagine if their names ARE released though. Especially if they are still in school.

Lol. Some would shun them and others would congratulate them. 

[Volus Warlord]

android654 wrote...

I could've sworn even minor sex offenders are on the registry. Perhaps the gag order was issued because they were still in the sentencing process when she posted their names.

Speaking of which, if you wanna know what it feels like to be truly frightened for a second, go and look up the registered sex offenders in your area! 

Also, some sex offenders forgo such systems to avoid regulations (i.e. areas where they would not be allowed to live). So they are always more that don't show in the registry!

[Neo DrKefka]

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...

What the ****? God, in what kind of a messed up world do we live nowadays...Those two dipsh*ts should be castrated. That would serve them right. I'd kick their manly bits till they turn infertile, no kidding.

This is why Rosewood happened because of people who overreact like you.

[android654]

Volus Warlord wrote...

android654 wrote...

I could've sworn even minor sex offenders are on the registry. Perhaps the gag order was issued because they were still in the sentencing process when she posted their names.

Speaking of which, if you wanna know what it feels like to be truly frightened for a second, go and look up the registered sex offenders in your area! 

Also, some sex offenders forgo such systems to avoid regulations (i.e. areas where they would not be allowed to live). So they are always more that don't show in the registry!

There are also those who were incarcerated for sex crimes prior to the registry. So there are a lot more than the average person knows of.

[Rockworm503]

emotinal, knee-jerk reactions does no one any good.