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[EpicBoot2daFace]

9:38-9:39 Dragon: Discontent with the Empress Celene I's reign sparks a civil war in Orlais.

The College of Enchanters votes to separate from the Chantry. The Circle of Dairsmuid in Rivain has been annulled.

Senior Enchanter Wynne sends out a letter to all Andrastian lands detailing a cure for Tranquility.

dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Ages


After seeing Leliana's death retconned by BioWare, I started doing some digging regarding events in the Dragon Age universe. Apparently, after the events of DA2, Wynne still lives and is apparently playing an active part in the war against the rogue Templars.

Well, the problem with that is, Wynne is dead in my game. Does this mean she will be alive regardless of my actions in Origins?

[Wulfram]

The books make assumptions about what happened, but that isn't necessarily transferred to the games.

I'd assume some other mage did more or less the same thing in timelines where Wynne is dead.

[Kleon]

This is a "no spoiler" section of the forum.
About Wynne and players beeing able to kill her in Origins, there is actually a good reason for her to survive because of her special circumstance. You know, spirits and things.

Modifié par Kunkryst, 22 juillet 2012 - 08:01 .

[andar91]

They've already addressed this. The novels, comics, movies, and all of that are set in what they view as their own canon. By canon, I mean their version of events; they've said over and over again that it doesn't mean she is alive in *your* game world. Aside from never touching such characters again, it would be impossible to account for every possibility in the story.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

andar91 wrote...

They've already addressed this. The novels, comics, movies, and all of that are set in what they view as their own canon. By canon, I mean their version of events; they've said over and over again that it doesn't mean she is alive in *your* game world. Aside from never touching such characters again, it would be impossible to account for every possibility in the story.

Right. But my actions in Origins have nothing to do with the books. That said, other people killed Leliana and yet, she's very much alive in DA2.

[caradoc2000]

'Tis just a scratch.

[erilben]

DA2 doesn't import any information about what happens to Wynne. Unless you import a mage Warden, Anders says "two mages, one of them an apostate" ( Wynne and Morrigan) helped to end the Blight.

[Cultist]

David Gaider answered in this thread on the subject...I guess.
In my game Wynne drowned in her own blood too, but, alas, until we get informatiuon about save import, we have to assume that Alisatir is the King and Wynne survived.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

erilben wrote...

DA2 doesn't import any information about what happens to Wynne. Unless you import a mage Warden, Anders says "two mages, one of them an apostate" ( Wynne and Morrigan) helped to end the Blight.

Source?

[erilben]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

erilben wrote...

DA2 doesn't import any information about what happens to Wynne. Unless you import a mage Warden, Anders says "two mages, one of them an apostate" ( Wynne and Morrigan) helped to end the Blight.

Source?

I've looked inside the save files from DA2 to see which DAO flags it uses. There's nothing for Wynne there, which explains why Anders' "two mages" line can't change. Also this is why gibb's save generator does not let you decide Wynne's fate.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

erilben wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

erilben wrote...

DA2 doesn't import any information about what happens to Wynne. Unless you import a mage Warden, Anders says "two mages, one of them an apostate" ( Wynne and Morrigan) helped to end the Blight.

Source?

I've looked inside the save files from DA2 to see which DAO flags it uses. There's nothing for Wynne there, which explains why Anders' "two mages" line can't change. Also this is why gibb's save generator does not let you decide Wynne's fate.

I see. Thanks.

[Maclimes]

Cultist wrote...

David Gaider answered in this thread on the subject...I guess.
In my game Wynne drowned in her own blood too, but, alas, until we get informatiuon about save import, we have to assume that Alisatir is the King and Wynne survived.

As for Wynne, maybe, but DA2 was pretty consistent about the fate of Alistair.

[devSin]

Well, she's dead now, for good this time.

So I'd say you don't have to worry about it.

[MKDAWUSS]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

9:38-9:39 Dragon: Discontent with the Empress Celene I's reign sparks a civil war in Orlais.

The College of Enchanters votes to separate from the Chantry. The Circle of Dairsmuid in Rivain has been annulled.

Senior Enchanter Wynne sends out a letter to all Andrastian lands detailing a cure for Tranquility.

dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Ages


After seeing Leliana's death retconned by BioWare, I started doing some digging regarding events in the Dragon Age universe. Apparently, after the events of DA2, Wynne still lives and is apparently playing an active part in the war against the rogue Templars.

Well, the problem with that is, Wynne is dead in my game. Does this mean she will be alive regardless of my actions in Origins?

You struck her down and she came back in a form more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

[Sith Grey Warden]

Her status as a "Spirit Healer" aside, non-game materials aren't necessarily canon. As mentioned above, Alistair already proves this.

In order for anything besides games to be set after 9:30 Dragon, Bioware has to have a default condition for the world. You can't write a book where Character C is Wynne/Alice like you can a video game.

Modifié par Sith Grey Warden, 23 juillet 2012 - 03:18 .

[MKDAWUSS]

Sith Grey Warden wrote...

Her status as a "Spirit Healer" aside, non-game materials aren't necessarily canon. As mentioned above, Alistair already proves this.

In order for anything besides games to be set after 9:30 Dragon, Bioware has to have a default condition for the world. You can't write a book where Character C is Wynne/Alice like you can a video game.

If it's in a digital format you can. Physical you can't.

[David Gaider]

Well, the problem with that is, Wynne is dead in my game. Does this mean she will be alive regardless of my actions in Origins?

No. Keep in mind that the Dragon Age Wikia is not made by us. If someone put up a mention of Wynne's actions in the Asunder novel but didn't mention that it's from the novel, there's nothing we can do about it.

One can speculate about how events might have occurred differently if Wynne was dead, or I guess assume that Wynne might have remained alive no matter what you did in DAO, but you won't really know until a future game explains it-- and you won't know until then how the events detailed in the Asunder novel played out in your world. The Asunder novel is not a game, and thus cannot react to your choices.


ALSO -- moving this to the Story & Quests forum.

Modifié par David Gaider, 23 juillet 2012 - 04:14 .

[MKDAWUSS]

David Gaider wrote...

Well, the problem with that is, Wynne is dead in my game. Does this mean she will be alive regardless of my actions in Origins?

No. Keep in mind that the Dragon Age Wikia is not made by us. If someone put up a mention of Wynne's actions in the Asunder novel but didn't mention that it's from the novel, there's nothing we can do about it.

You mean you don't make edits under a non-assuming screenname? I'm SHOCKED, I tell you!

[EpicBoot2daFace]

David Gaider wrote...

Well, the problem with that is, Wynne is dead in my game. Does this mean she will be alive regardless of my actions in Origins?

No. Keep in mind that the Dragon Age Wikia is not made by us. If someone put up a mention of Wynne's actions in the Asunder novel but didn't mention that it's from the novel, there's nothing we can do about it.

One can speculate about how events might have occurred differently if Wynne was dead, or I guess assume that Wynne might have remained alive no matter what you did in DAO, but you won't really know until a future game explains it-- and you won't know until then how the events detailed in the Asunder novel played out in your world. The Asunder novel is not a game, and thus cannot react to your choices.


ALSO -- moving this to the Story & Quests forum.

Yes, that was the part that had me confused. I didn't know if it was from the novel (I've never read any of them) or some codex entry I may have missed while playing the games.

Thanks for clearing things up. Oh, and for moving this thread to the correct subforum. I got ahead of myself.

[Mike 9987]

All throughout DA:O, it was pretty obvious that wynn's death was coming soon. I don't see her being alive at the conclusion of DA2 no matter what you did in DA:O.

[SirGladiator]

I liked Wynne, I didn't like her being sacrificed needlessly at the end of Asunder. Of course theres always the whole 'this could've happened in this person's game' thing, but Wynne was popular, she no doubt lived through the VAST majority of people's playthroughs. But obviously for those who liked the idea of her being dead, well, she is now, unless she comes back to life again or something, who knows. But I really liked how it 'seemed' like she was going to die at any time in DAO, but she never did, and in fact was pretty much as strong as ever the rest of her life, which did last much longer than she thought it would at the time. Its always nice when you can help save people's lives, like Wynne's in DAO.

Perhaps in the future, when we're given the opportunity to kill certain important characters, their deaths should be more 'Soap Opera' style deaths, like they fall off a cliff, seemingly to their death, or they fall over and then a mountain of rocks falls, seemingly on top of them and they couldnt possibly survive, stuff like that, so that if that character turns out to be popular and you want to use them again, its much easier to explain why they're really still alive even though they 'died' in some people's playthroughs. Basicly, important characters that can die should be 'mostly dead' instead of 'totally dead' .

[WhiteKnyght]

David Gaider wrote...

Well, the problem with that is, Wynne is dead in my game. Does this mean she will be alive regardless of my actions in Origins?

No. Keep in mind that the Dragon Age Wikia is not made by us. If someone put up a mention of Wynne's actions in the Asunder novel but didn't mention that it's from the novel, there's nothing we can do about it.

One can speculate about how events might have occurred differently if Wynne was dead, or I guess assume that Wynne might have remained alive no matter what you did in DAO, but you won't really know until a future game explains it-- and you won't know until then how the events detailed in the Asunder novel played out in your world. The Asunder novel is not a game, and thus cannot react to your choices.


ALSO -- moving this to the Story & Quests forum.

Well, the spirit brought both Wynne and Evangeline back from death simply by possessing their bodies. It presumably is possible that as long as the spirit remains inside of them, they cant die.

Bodies are flesh and blood but spirits aren't, so arguably only magic could force a spirit from its host if it really wanted to stay.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 31 juillet 2012 - 08:24 .

[CelestJP]

a wizard did it seems to the answer to most recons

[Gervaise]

There would appear to be many ways in which a character can appear to die in the Dragon Age Universe and yet survived. As the previous poster says, magic plays a large part in this. In the old D&D world characters could be brought back from death. The only difference in the Dragon Age World is that we have not been given the ability to do this via the PC and thus do not know the precise mechanics for achieving it. Clearly the elves and mages of the past had access to knowledge that the majority now are not aware of. Perhaps in some future game a discovery will be made by the PC. In fact, if such people as Corypheus and Flemeth are ever to be permanently defeated, the secrets of prolonging life and cheating death will have to be researched further by a PC.
If you killed Wynne in DAO, then read Asunder to discover why she did not die then but is now deceased. Also, do not be surprised if other characters, in particular Anders, make a cameo appearance either in a future game or novel.